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Gabby
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posted December 14, 2014 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read she represents power struggles and your weaknesses...I'd agree she does. I believe she is these struggles coming at you to force you to deal with things your trying to hide from. I believe she is much deeper than just this one life, to me she represents things that will happen in this life that are happening to force you to face the things you've let go for to long, the life lessons you've avoided for many lifetimes.
Myself, i had avoided loving myself, avoide learning how to protect myself.
In this life I've been forced outside of any protection and left to fend for myself. I've been alone, stripped of all my physical resources and the family I needed to help. I even lost myself through brainwashing and had to find my way back and then figure out who I was.
These things continually happened until I finally had nothing and no where to turn but inside myself. I was forced to start building myself up from the inside out and building a foundation that was strong from the inside out. I had to stop relying on others for my personal value, I had to find my, "I AM" energy! It had been lost for many more lives than just this one, I believe that is seen by the fact that I was born into abuse that stripped my mind for me before I even got the chance to know who I was. That's very karmic showing the emotional state I was in when came into this life.

But what I've found is once you start fighting these battles and overcoming these weaknesses, asteroid Lilth is an amazing energy!

Many know me and know the painful struggles I've been through and the depth of healing I've been doing for the past decade.
Things I've noticed regarding asteroid Lilith...my abuser had his mars and his name sitting on my asteroid Liilth.
He created some of my deepest wounds during this life, wounds that ripped open my past life wounds and forced me to face things I'd refused to face for, probably, many lifetimes.
My placenments around her
asteroid Lilith scorpio@3-4
Kaali scorp@2
Pandora scorp@3
Minerva scorp@3
Uranus scorp 4.44
Square my Saturn leo@2.50
T-square with Arachne aqua@2.50
Grand cross with Ophelia taurus@2.59
Philomela taurus @2.59

To learn about Philomela, her story is brutal http://www.lindagoodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/002278.html

Death & Destruction-Kaali
Unleashing terrifying things, only Hope left in her box-Pandora
Abrupt change-Uranus
My responsibility-Saturn
Pride leading to a fall-Arachne
Abuse--Ophelia & Philomela

Asteroid Lilth, Kaali, Pandora, Uranus is the outlet or the answer to the opposition between my Saturn and Arachne.
iQ has a great thread on the things that oppose your Saturn and their importance they are what you need to embrace in order to fulfill your Saturn, they will be the answer to how you balance your karma.

Today, I've let go of thinking I had the answers, I know loving others in order to get love is not truly living anyone. It's actually self destructive, and selfish because love doesn't expect anything in return...loving someone in order to fill whole or get them to love you is not actually love, it's self serving.

I've faced so much and I'm sooo happy everyday! It's funny to wake up and want to bounce out of bed singing...for no real reason at all! Yes I still get depressed but it's so short lived and passes without much effort.

Back to asteroid Lilith, I've known ppl since my step dad that hit my asteroid Lilith exact and everyone of them has deeply changed me for better or worse.

Today, I'm starting to meet new ppl who hit my Lilith exact, and after working so hard on these issues I'm happy to report these ppl are bringing out an amazing energy in me, a focused strength I've never felt before. It's like I feel so balanced and solid around these ppl, almost untouchable in a way. My timidity goes away around them, I become emotionally strong and grounded. I love it!!

Anyone else struggling with Astetoid Lilith connections, please share! They are seriously hard but they get better!

I'll edit this if it's hard to understand, I'm in my phone and just got inspired to write about this! Love you all!!

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posted December 14, 2014 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand Lilith in three stages.

At the TRUE BLACK MOON stage, she's chosen equality over security. This is the myth of Lilith leaving Adam in Eden because he refused to allow her equal partnership. She would not be owned, and so she left. She is ultimately alone; wild and uncivilised. Rumours fly that she's a witch -- a demonic presence. Society has abandoned and ostracised her as a result of her unwillingness to compromise her core values. In some ways, following Jungian typology, she corresponds to the principles of the Id. Without question, any points that activate your TRUE BLACK MOON (within 2º) are going to send you packing, if nothing less than exactly what you desire is offered. You will not compromise. You will not sacrifice your ideals for the sake of harmony. You're fine being off by yourself; let the society be damned.

:: cough :: Frozen :: cough ::

So our TRUE BLACK MOON is, in a word, uncompromising. She's wild, and flies completely solo. Betrayed, she nurses her wounds away from society and exists outside of its civilisation. She is also our deepest intuition, and most powerful psychic bonds. She's where we commune with Mother Nature herself, and are a daughter of Nyx. We don't much care how it looks on the outside, as we've long since given up living by society's rules.

At the LILITH 1811 stage, she seeks to avenge her lost happiness and place in society. She's individualistic and scheming. She no longer belongs to anyone or anything; the militant feminist, she has neither regret nor true satisfaction. She exists on the outskirts of civilisation, operating tangentially. She longs for companionship, but refuses to be subject to ownership. She is Ego personified. She seeks only to possess those who have already been 'claimed' by another (as 'the dreaded other woman'). She has chosen the mantle of mistress over wife. She does not commune with nature, and her inner voice seems lost in a sea of unfulfilled desires. She is troubled and surviving by her wits in a grey zone between total freedom and complete subjugation. The key phrase I've found most resonant with LILITH 1181 is raw passion and lacking direction or commitment. The emotions are so strong to the point of being overpowering. There is an impulsivity here that drives ego-based decisions. She is noncommittal; lost between reclaiming a place of her own in the natural world, as a wild witch of raw desires, and rejoining the society that, in turn by rejecting it, she, too, was rejected by. She has an innate understanding of the usage of sex for power, and can abuse this, too. She has potent wiles and can use them without compunction.

Where she is present, we can't quite decide which path to take. Past betrayals rise quickly to the surface, and we find ourselves enraged over where it was we were taken advantage of; how we were shamed for our ideals, our sexuality, our natural connexion to dark passions and experience. We carry the greatest sadness and rage in connexion to never finding acceptance in the areas represented. Rather than seeking new avenues, we want revenge. We will manipulate, scheme, and embroil those that represent the ones who abandoned us, in order to get it.

At the MEAN BLACK MOON stage, Lilith has chosen to reintegrate into society. Having lost her inner voice and wild, untamed spirit, has left her feeling empty and saddened. Those she harmed on a violent and ruthless path of revenge weigh too heavy upon her mind and heart. She wants to cut a deal with society; reclaim her powerful essence of raw sexuality and passion, while establishing firm boundaries, and offering a clear understanding that her ideals won't be compromised. She finds ways to make those values and ideals in harmony with society's highest principles, rather than driven by furious emotion or wild passion. She is understanding the principle of the Superego. Again, she demands equality, and offers individuality, and a way to better understand one's dark desires. She no longer is at the mercy of her passions, but is learning to master them. She is also comfortable being entirely upon her own, but will allow those who offer an equal partnership to be companions to her. She will never dedicate herself entirely to one person, unless all of her ideals are championed.

Where the MEAN BLACK MOON is active in our charts, we are prosocial, but free-spirited, independent, and dedicated to ways we can integrate society's demands into our own ideals. We still won't compromise and will prefer solitude over that which would crush our inner spirit or stifle our independence. We can utilise the gifts of the 'good witch' and the practitioner who is an asset to society, harnessing the dark, and intense lunar nature and transforming it into something useful. She becomes a guiding force for many in this mode. Here, we must learn to confront the darkness within ourselves and society at large, acting as a bridge, performing a kind of alchemy. Society finds many things frightening which is natural and understood to Lilith. She acts as a protector and true alchemist, in her most evolved stage.

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posted December 14, 2014 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't mean to disagree but also I can't totally agree with the description of asteroid Lilith. I can see some of it, in my experience, but that's before you start owning all that crap, allow yourself to flow into it and become it. Once you allow it to flow instead of damning it up, everything changes.
As long you refuse to see it, live in denial that it's there and condemn yourself for not being the perfect person you expect yourself to be her energy will control you.

It's like your rejecting the most raw part of yourself the one that needs the most acceptance and if you refuse to accept that there, the anger and rage inside you will ways be looking for an outlet and ready to explode....yes, your going to be uncontrollable when this energy bursts through and exposes itself, the energy will trigger you to run from anything that feels like control or confinement even when it's not. It's going to be a very self destructive energy.
BUT, maybe because of how mine aspects, now that I have dealt with the energy and accepted that energy, instead of running from it or fearing it, it's not out of control.
Now it's a more focused, driven energy that is extremely intuitive and secure. When someone aspects this place it used to feel like a tornado went off inside me and Id feel out of control.
Now it feels like laser pointed focus that helps me see reality, helps me accept myself in reality and pretty much helps me see things more clearly while giving me the strength to act on life in reality. I think it does this because I had the courage to see the energy inside me, accept it and deal with it.
Kind of like when you've lived rock bottom, nothing shakes so deeply anymore that you can't handle it. You rise above all that darkness because you've already walked through it and made it out the other side, you can sense the tricks and traps and avoid them now.
Now I have a deep desire to merge with ppl who hit this place in my chart....it feels like together we could accomplish anything.

This of course is just my experience, maybe it's some other aspect in there to but all I know is that I've got a harsh grand cross. When anyone aspects that grand cross I feel it!
But now when they conjunct all the scorpio stuff i feel a raw powerful female energy emerge that makes me feel strong instead of broken down.
When they tightly square those scorpio placements, I feel a drain of energy and insecure around those ppl.
I guess it could be my Kaali thats being drained, but when they conjunct the Kaali/Lilith, the female powerhouse energy, I believe, comes from asteroid Lilith.

My asteroid Lilith is trine my Amor, and makes a grand trine with gemini Mars@29.33, cancer Nessus@2.50, and cancer Hygeia@5.
I definitely feel some powerful spiritual healing from that area of my chart whenever anyone touches it. I got my exact degrees, I had them off early when doing it by memory...

Mars gemini@29.33-9th
Qumran scorp@0.42--1st
Somnium scorp@1.13
Kaali scorp@2.15
Arnica@2.22
Pythia@2.32
Yes scorp@2.53
Ute scorp@3.17
Coventy@3.55
Thelka @3.57(Fame of God)
Minerva@3.59
Pandora@3.59
Coventry scorp@3.55
Pandora scorp@3.59
Minerva scorp@3.59--1st
Asteroid Lilith scorp@4.12
Uranus scorp@4.44--2nd house cusp

Records virgo@4.43-11th
Hypnos virgo@4.44
Tara virgo@5.49
Amor pisces@5.29-5th

Cap Bless, cap Nefertiti on my IC and taurus Atlantis in my8th are making tight sextiles also.
But it's only when someone conjuncts those scorpio places I feel the intensity of it. Trines affect it a little bit, but not as much of course.

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posted December 14, 2014 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I understand Lilith in three stages.

...Without question, any points that activate your TRUE BLACK MOON (within 2º) are going to send you packing, if nothing less than exactly what you desire is offered. You will not compromise. You will not sacrifice your ideals for the sake of harmony. You're fine being off by yourself; let the society be damned.

... She is also our deepest intuition, and most powerful psychic bonds. She's where we commune with Mother Nature herself, and are a daughter of Nyx. We don't much care how it looks on the outside, as we've long since given up living by society's rules.

The key phrase I've found most resonant with LILITH 1181 is raw passion and lacking direction or commitment.

At the MEAN BLACK MOON stage, Lilith has chosen to reintegrate into society. ... She is also comfortable being entirely upon her own, but will allow those who offer an equal partnership to be companions to her. She will never dedicate herself entirely to one person, unless all of her ideals are championed.


Not sure if I fully see Liliths as you do either although lack personal experience as well. Just doing a "Lilith 1 at 26 Pisces opposite 1181 Lilith at 28 Virgo" drive-by with the question of if you count oppositions to the Black Moons?

TBM "Lily" trines NN, so likewise have to ask what aspects apply to those, if only conjunctions will do to you. Asteroid Lilith trines SN by 2, and there has certainly never been any shying away from walking alone if having to. And for some strange reason nobody seeming to want to follow much either (cue "more the fail them" thinking if bothering to note something like that), but no, I am never going to get the kind of people who claim they can't even go to the movies alone, for goodness' sake. What's stopping you? There is no law against going to a cinema alone, gasp. No law even against me doing Looks and "Seriously?" faces of dubiousness at people that crippled from doing something on their own.

"She is also comfortable being entirely upon her own, but will allow those who offer an equal partnership to be companions to her."

Aren't you just describing every Leo ever? Or at least ones worth the title.

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posted December 15, 2014 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Keela, I'd agree with you....these description don't seem to fit with my Lilith experience either.
I'm not sure anyone has ever made an exact conjunction to my BM Lilith before though, plus I think her being in my 6th house might dampen her energy some.

My BM Lilith sits 4 degrees from my DC in my 6th house.

1181 Asteroid Lilith scorp@4.12 opposed-
H13-True Lilith or Osculating Lilith taurus@0.24-is this the one we run from whrn ppl touch this place?? Am I glutton for punishment because I run to early taurus sun signs like no other....they are in my 7th house but on 8th house cusp.
H21-Lilith(i) pisces@28.56
BM Lilith aries@2.59(inconjunct asteroid Lilith) makes a grand trine with saggy Sun/Merc and leo Saturn


BM Lilith, inconjunct my asteroid Lilith, it makes a grand trine with my Sun/Merc and my Saturn....

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posted December 15, 2014 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
I've read she represents power struggles and your weaknesses...I'd agree she does. I believe she is these struggles coming at you to force you to deal with things your trying to hide from. I believe she is much deeper than just this one life, to me she represents things that will happen in this life that are happening to force you to face the things you've let go for to long, the life lessons you've avoided for many lifetimes.
Myself, i had avoided loving myself, avoide learning how to protect myself.
In this life I've been forced outside of any protection and left to fend for myself. I've been alone, stripped of all my physical resources and the family I needed to help. I even lost myself through brainwashing and had to find my way back and then figure out who I was.
These things continually happened until I finally had nothing and no where to turn but inside myself. I was forced to start building myself up from the inside out and building a foundation that was strong from the inside out. I had to stop relying on others for my personal value, I had to find my, "I AM" energy! It had been lost for many more lives than just this one, I believe that is seen by the fact that I was born into abuse that stripped my mind for me before I even got the chance to know who I was. That's very karmic showing the emotional state I was in when came into this life.

But what I've found is once you start fighting these battles and overcoming these weaknesses, asteroid Lilth is an amazing energy!


Have you experienced transit pluto passing through your 2nd house by any chance?

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posted December 15, 2014 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:

Today, I've let go of thinking I had the answers, I know loving others in order to get love is not truly living anyone. It's actually self destructive, and selfish because love doesn't expect anything in return...loving someone in order to fill whole or get them to love you is not actually love, it's self serving.

very good point.

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posted December 15, 2014 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:

IQ has a great thread on the things that oppose your Saturn and their importance they are what you need to embrace in order to fulfill your Saturn, they will be the answer to how you balance your karma.

Interesting.......when you get a chance can you share that link..

I have Saturn in the 11th ruling my second opposing Juno in Taurus in the 5th but I have Taurus in the 6th cusp.

My husband and I worked together for a while from home in connection to a home based business linked to a cause we believed in....Interestingly we have in composite Uranus in Scorpio in the 10th at 29 deg conjunct MC opposing chiron conjunct IC and the business did fall under a chiron them, this opposition squares our venus in the 6th close to the DC.

We were forced to stop and now we are trying to get enough money together to start a different kind of business but is not chiron themed although perhaps it can be considered Taurus themed.

So part of me working out my karma is having a business with my husband and making an income together perhaps....

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posted December 15, 2014 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Have you experienced transit pluto passing through your 2nd house by any chance?

Hmmm, I was born with Pluto in libra@11 on my Ascendant....i'd have to check for sure, but when it entered my 2nd house I was probably in my teens.
My asteroid Lilith sits on the cusp of my 2nd house.
I'll pinpoint more exactly when it entered and I'm sure something dramatic happened as Pluto passed over that area of my chart, it will be interesting to look at the dates.

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posted December 15, 2014 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Hmmm, I was born with Pluto in libra@11 on my Ascendant....i'd have to check for sure, but when it entered my 2nd house I was probably in my teens.
My asteroid Lilith sits on the cusp of my 2nd house.
I'll pinpoint more exactly when it entered and I'm sure something dramatic happened as Pluto passed over that area of my chart, it will be interesting to look at the dates.

I have read a lot about this transit and the transformation you speak of sounds very much like lessons of someone who has gone through a transit pluto through the second but I can totally see what you are saying about lilith and using that lilith energy to help you learn these lessons. I am going to soon be experiencing this and just having pluto very close to my 2nd cusp has already started this process which began with great loss.

Its very cool to read how far you have come and how much you have overcome.

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posted December 15, 2014 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Interesting.......when you get a chance can you share that link..

I have Saturn in the 11th ruling my second opposing Juno in Taurus in the 5th but I have Taurus in the 6th cusp.

My husband and I worked together for a while from home in connection to a home based business linked to a cause we believed in....Interestingly we have in composite Uranus in Scorpio in the 10th at 29 deg conjunct MC opposing chiron conjunct IC and the business did fall under a chiron them, this opposition squares our venus in the 6th close to the DC.

We were forced to stop and now we are trying to get enough money together to start a different kind of business but is not chiron themed although perhaps it can be considered Taurus themed.

So part of me working out my karma is having a business with my husband and making an income together perhaps....


That's sounds highly likely to me....potentially this is what you need to do to answer your karmic debts and free yourself from saturns overbearing restraint.

Here is the link, but I also bumped it for you in 2.0 http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/216032.html

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Asteroid LILITH conj. SUN. True Black MOON LILITH conj. NEPTUNE, name asteroid, sq. MOON.

I definitely abused my sexuality in my early-to-mid twenties. I defined myself, and my personal power by how sexually attractive/manipulative I could be. I achieved this need for power through how well I could meet the sexual needs of others. I withheld my orgasm from partners, whilst draining them of theirs.

Now, I see sexuality differently. I see I was putting on a star performance of society's objectification of the female.

I now use sexuality to bond and experience dimensions of emotionality and physicality. It is both earthy and otherworldly. It can be used to leave the body or return to it.

I experienced the most raw sexuality when I life-modelled in wild places, by the sea, in ruins, and in fields (NEPTUNE-photography?)
I truly found myself in my body through that experience - this I believe was the beginning of my sexual healing, and I think my LILITH energy fuelled it.

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Here are the numbers I took from Astrofix.

Asteroid Lilith: 1181
Osculating Lilith/ True Lilith: h13
Black Moon Lilith/ Mean Lilith: h21
Dark Moon Lilith/ Waldemath Black Moon: h58

I like the description of all Liliths Auby. Could you do a Dark Moon as well please?

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What would it mean if a man had asteroid Lilith conjunction your sun. Would he see you as raw sexual energy?

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"BLACK MOON LILITH
From Visceral to Sublime

By Vanessa Guazzelli Paim, Agent 55

The Black Moon is a virtual astrological point, which represents the lunar apogee. I will refer to it as Black Moon Lilith (BML) in this article, to differentiate it from other astrological points (such as the asteroid Lilith or the Dark Moon). The apogee is the point in the Moon’s elliptical orbit around the Earth at which it is furthest away from the Earth. It is at this position that it almost escapes, but doesn’t! For it is right there that the pull of gravity shows its force, bringing the Moon back towards the Earth to continue its orbit. So here we recognize the first basic concept related to Black Moon Lilith: gravity. Isaac Newton would refer to this as a question of mass and distance.

BML takes nine years to go around the Zodiac staying approximately nine months in each sign. This adds a second basic concept to the discussion, that of human pregnancy, or gestation. Black Moon Lilith is about bringing things down to Earth, concentrating mass, materializing and forming a body. It is related to cellular memory and the womb experience, like the foetus that does not see, does not think, in words and meanings, but simply senses things such as warmth and cold, tension or relaxation or the sense of experience being pleasant or unpleasant. It is akin to the reptilian brain, the most basic level of the human brain that is in charge of basic survival. It concerns issues of life or death. BML represents the survival instinct and the unspoken sensations the mother experiences through pregnancy. The unspoken experience itself goes beyond the mother’s own intentions or official narrative. Rather than being in the realm of just the unconscious, BML is about the real and raw experience, senses and sensations registered in our bodies.

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Whilst the ‘White’ Moon can tell us about the ‘official’ experience of the mother, family and surroundings, the Black Moon tells us about the visceral experience of mother during pregnancy. Black Moon Lilith accounts for the deep, visceral, crude sensations. Rather than words and images, the reference is to sensations such as warmth-coldness, presence-absence, and comfort-discomfort. It is not only irrational – but blind. BML indicates the experience itself, previous to its elaboration in images and/or words.

It is interesting to note that the Portuguese word for pregnancy is ‘gravidez’, with the same root as ‘gravidade’, gravity.
BML refers to gravity, gestation, materialization, bringing down to Earth, materializing the body. It is indicative of both difficulty and talent! It is about our most visceral level and our most basic survival instinct and contains the potential for the terrifying or sublime.


bml3MYTHOLOGY RELATED TO BLACK MOON LILITH

The mythology of Lilith informs us further and deeper about the conceptual content of this astrological point. However, it does not account exclusively for all its richness. The same wild, visceral aspect of the feminine is also expressed in other myths from different cultures, such as those of Hecate, the Hags, Durga, Kali or Maleficent. Different cultures will also present different ways to relate to this visceral and wild feminine aspect of human experience.
While in Lilith we find the original woman, ‘the untameable first wife’ of Adam, before Eve, in Hindu religion, Kali is seen as another aspect of the same, Parvati (the wife of Shiva). Kali represents Parvati’s own mutation, where the logical male aspect does not respect the creative force of the feminine. When this visceral aspect regains respect and consideration, the feminine once again presents itself as the lovely and devoted Parvati. But hey Shiva! do not underestimate the power and value of the wild feminine. Don’t you forget Kali!

TRUE NODE, MEAN NODE
Black Moon Lilith can be calculated either for the True Node or relative to the Mean Node.
The True Node moves as a ‘zigzag’, going retrograde and direct, back and forth, jumping from one sign to another and back again, while eventually moving forward. The Mean Node draws a line, showing its direction, never retrogrades, and actually indicates the main tone for that visceral level during a period of approximately nine months in a sign.

The True Node can point out the cause, while the Mean Node indicates the effect. Although both are interesting to observe and the True Node does add important information, it is the Mean Node that gives the ‘effect’. Keeping track of the Mean Node should be the priority here as it clearly marks out a nine month period in each sign, with its transit indicating what is going on in the undercurrent aspect of our collective.

WHAT DOES BLACK MOON LILITH REFER TO IN COLLECTIVE TRANSITS?
BML speaks of the tone or of what moves the collective deep down inside! It points to the instinctive undertone of a particular period, it reflects a backdrop behind our words and images at any given moment.. It is about what’s moving the collective at the visceral level – describing a certain tone, certain warmth and associated collective sensations.

bml4 BLACK MOON LILITH IN A CHART

The sign in which the BML falls tells us about what kind of difficulty is encountered in the context of visceral impulses; as well as what kind of great visceral power exists! This can involve a great difficulty or a great talent. It represents or points to where we experience our greatest challenge to overcome ourselves in order to thrive.. As a simple wise man from the forest once said: “Difficulty is the very same size as Ease”. It is the challenge that makes victory possible and a visceral challenge provides opportunities for visceral talent!

The drive and impulse represented by BML that has not found a way of instinctual expression gets ‘loose and lost’ within the body. It is like having constant pressure that has no outlet or no defined direction, yet is in a constant compulsive thrust, as if pulled by gravity, and experienced as constant repetition. Such a compulsive pull needs to be put into creative action, as a committed effort in order to move beyond destructive compulsion. Such a primal force is best converted into creative expression, anchoring an actual inner transformation at the most condensed, basic and root level. That is how one goes beyond being subjected to sheer, raw and instinctive reactions and becomes able to truly respond to the presence of BML, owning oneself, like a true samurai!

By Vanessa Guazzelli Paim"

http://www.cosmicintelligenceagency.com/2015/04/black-moon-lilith-from-the-visceral-to-the-sublime/

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posted June 09, 2015 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I have read a lot about this transit and the transformation you speak of sounds very much like lessons of someone who has gone through a transit pluto through the second but I can totally see what you are saying about lilith and using that lilith energy to help you learn these lessons. I am going to soon be experiencing this and just having pluto very close to my 2nd cusp has already started this process which began with great loss.

Its very cool to read how far you have come and how much you have overcome.


Thank you!!
How are you coming along with the Pluto/2nd house transit? Are you doing ok? If you need support I'm here!

Pluto was in my 2nd house from 1985-1998
10 years old-23 years old...shortly after it left my 2nd house and entered my 3rd I started to recognize all the brainwashing for what it was, I had spent my whole life looking for security by behaving the way I was taught was correct...I terrified to behave any other way. But once Pluto made me desperately search for my value and security for so long, I eventually saw it was not in the place I thought it would be. When Pluto left my 2nd I left the cult I was raised in and took my children with me because I had to save their lives along with my own.

Very interesting timing of this all....obviously Pluto played a major role here!
I think Pluto in 2nd is pushing and shoving trying to bust through your false images of what is value and security....when it pulls out it takes your security with it but you should have had enough of Pluto exposing you to the truth to be ready to leave the false security behind and when Pluto enters your 3rd it will wipe out the subconscious fears and allow you to fully move I to a new way of life, mind body and spirit ready for something new and better.

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posted June 15, 2015 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have my Lilith conjunct my MC EXACT at 0 degrees in my chart.

I swear I don't know what it is people see in me. Im either greatly loved, or secretly plotted on.

One thing is for sure, don't leave your girlfriend around me haha..

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posted June 18, 2015 03:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Lilith plays an important role in my relationship - we have a Lilith/NN DW (sextile/trine). Presumably we are destined to bring change to one another. However, most relationships do, so how would this be different? I do believe that this relationship is forcing me to bring about change within myself - in the shape of an unavoidable challenge.

As to him, what would it mean for a guy to have these aspects:

Sun 17.35 in Leo - exactly conjunct my Asc
Sekhmet 17.35
Lilith 18° 7'

Any clues on how to interpret this?

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posted June 18, 2015 05:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I have my Lilith conjunct my MC EXACT at 0 degrees in my chart.

I swear I don't know what it is people see in me. Im either greatly loved, or secretly plotted on.

One thing is for sure, don't leave your girlfriend around me haha..


I have it conjunct my MC too! And Venus incidentally.

Don't leave your boyfriend around me LOL

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