posted July 06, 2018 04:26 AM            

One of the things that amazes me the most when i think of asteroids is the fact that most of them got named in the 20th and 21st century, but still they can be found in charts that are even more than 2000 years old. Like a kind of retroactive effect of the (official) name.

Does anybody have some thoughts on this phenomenon? About the nature of time and free will and so on? :-)

I've written a blog with some historic examples, but i'm sure many of you have noticed the same thing. It's just that i can't find a lot of discussion of this subject. Any thoughts?

posted July 06, 2018 01:45 PM            

When it comes to synchronicity, I first began to experience it in late 2014, and I didn't pick up on the synchronicity in question until Halloween in 2015. To be sure I wasn't biased, I checked for synchronicity before I even knew the word. There were some interesting asteroids at work through transits to my astrology chart when synchronicity took place, which is why I believe conscious knowledge is not necessarily required for synchronicity to occur. This means that even without a name, asteroids work exactly as expected no matter how far in the future they are actually named.

Additionally, transits from planets to asteroids definitely work just as well as natal aspects. From your blog post, this seems to be something you already know. I learned this the hard way and I'm very fortunate that the transit didn't play out the way it could have.

posted July 07, 2018 05:12 AM            

I agree with what you say about unnamed asteroids, it shouldn't matter. But i assume it's difficult to find out their 'future names' because there are about half a million unnamed asteroids and counting.

posted July 10, 2018 12:44 AM            

It's a shame that so many asteroids are currently unnamed. For many of the unnamed ones, it may not be ready for their time in the spotlight (in this case, meaning being given a name).

posted July 14, 2018 08:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
[B]I think it's pretty difficult to study an asteroid that hasn't been named yet. I'm sure there's a way to pull it off, but I don't think a lot of people try to do it.

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Hey Lerena, i just found an example online of how people might pull it off. Check out this page on magic, money and asteroids.
http://www.vamzzz.com/blog/money-astrology-money-magic/

The writes suggests that some Russian team got lots of charts from people who won a lottery and then they probably used a big computer and maybe even modern tricks like artificial intelligence to see the patterns. And they came up with an unnamed asteroid 15874 (1996 TL66). I guess that's a pretty good way to try it, but you probably need some computer programming skills :-)

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posted July 22, 2018 05:05 AM            

- i'm myself fully convinced of the 'retroactive effect' of naming, including celebrity cases;
- i have tried to come up with an easy way to explain this to friends;
- my semi-skeptical friends who i have 'converted' to asteroid astrology so far have all raised this point of warped time/time paradoxes, it seems like a natural question;
- the IAU surely wouldn't like to admit that they're part of this;
- it seems to me that the subject is more relevant/notable in the case of asteroids than in the case of planets or stars

posted July 24, 2018 03:55 AM            

I checked out your article. An interesting case, but to be honest i don't get how it can help me talk to people about time-paradoxes, other than that you give proof that name asteroids work very well, and are very important. By the way: what do you mean by DATE asteroids?

There was already some confusion in this thread about what i'm after, so i don't want you to get me wrong. I understand very well that the astrological world view sees the whole of creation as interconnected - often even through time - and overflowing with symbolic meanings. And there's a lot of proof for it, more than enough proof in my opinion. So i don't want to prove anything to people, i just want to get a better feel for 'time paradoxes' and how we can communicate about this whole subject to people who are confused about it, or not ready to accept certain consequences of how it seems to work.

In my experience 'somewhat skeptical' people who are willing to listen to an astrologer, or who are just curious, can accept the idea of universal interconnectedness quite easily. Maybe because even science has proven this point in some sense, in quantum mechanics.

But when they find out that an asteroid's name was given to it 'after the fact' so to speak, things become a lot more difficult to accept for some people. I think this is probably because it brings up the whole free will vs. destiny thing. Of course, astrologers have quite different views on this subject. Some will say that we can't predict the future with enough accuracy and precision. Others say we can.

If we zoom in further on accuracy and precision, it's very clear to me that generally speaking, names of asteroids are VERY precise and VERY accurate, both in the past and in the future, altho their names were not always known to humans and are therefore in some sense 'from the future'.

That's why i'm wondering how we can talk about this subject to people who are a little bit skeptical. Especially since opinions on the amount of free will that people have vary considerably (i personally think we have about 5% free will, others say 50% or 75%).

Again: it's not that i want to prove that name asteroids work (just look at the position of transiting asteroid Caesar in the chart of Julius Caesar on the day he was famously stabbed 23 times by Brutus and his group of Roman senators... it's exactly conjunct Pluto... and so on and so on).

What i want is to give people a practical sense of how they can deal with the way astrological time works, but i want to do so without imposing my personal ideas on free will and destiny, if that is at all possible.

posted July 24, 2018 02:15 PM            

When it comes to time paradoxes it’s pretty complicated, and In my opinion I think it’s not quite possible to get skeptical people to have a full understanding of it. I believe your idea on how to get people to understand it is right on! But In the end I personally believe you can’t force someone to believe in something, I believe in order for these people to believe in this is through events that will change/transform there minds/philosophy on these views. This topic is indeed complicated but as I said in the end I have been correct with interpreting giving accurate readings to my past clients and those skeptical and in the end they are just in denial. By this experience in a way I have given up to convince anyone.

posted July 24, 2018 02:19 PM            

Date asteroids example today is July 24 2018 so in Astro.com just put 72418 usually these date asteroids have no name given but even when the name is given I feel it can still be quite accurate but not as accurate as just 72418. Experiement it!!

posted July 25, 2018 03:43 AM            

I have to say i fully agree with what you're saying. Not trying to 'force' people to believe is something i had to learn. I think it's a lot like appreciating a work of art. You can't force someone to like a painting, and see the various layers of meaning and beauty in it, not even if it's by Vincent van Gogh or by Frida Kahlo or by ... [insert name of your favorite artist].

The data asteroid idea is great!! I will definitely try it. One of my favorite approaches with asteroids is history. In my next project i'm going to try to reconstruct key episodes in the life of Julius Caesar using asteroids like Caesar, Kleopatra, Cicero, Roma etc. etc.. I'm very curious if your method will help me with that :-)

About the 5% free will: i have two reasons for saying that. The first reason is a bit scientific: in behaviour psychology it is often assumed that around 95% of the decisions we make in our daily life are more or less subconscious. The psychologists who make this point will typically also point to the needs of the 'reptile brain' and so on. (I think asteroids like Ixion get us quite close to that reptile brain.)

The second reason is more personal: i'm quite aware of all kinds of sychronicities happening around me all the time. This is something that probably varies from person to person, altho it also has to do with paying attention and getting better at noticing things with your 'symbolic eye' so to speak.

posted July 26, 2018 08:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Ah, date Asteroids. Interesting!

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yessss! have fun with them!!