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SDragon
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posted December 01, 2015 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The first key to understanding what is the best diet for humans is to accept that we are not omnivores as regularly touted by the general meme but to actually research and see that we are frugivores, in-line with our primate ancestors of orangutans, chimpanzees and gorillas. (It's sad that spell check doesn't even recognize the word and wants to change it to herbivores). By understanding the first premise, it becomes easier to actually know what we should be eating as our primary source of diet and nutrition.

Without trying to sell anything and explain something that others can do in a much better fashion, all I recommend is that you keep an open mind while the rest of the world would rather stay unaware or worse, convince you that you're the one that has it backwards.

There's already many youtube videos that you can watch that talk about the known fact that Meat and Milk products actually increase all the metabolic and heart diseases that most of the 'civilized' nations have to deal with.

My first suggestion is to watch:

The Starch Solution by John McDougall
Foods for Protecting the Body & Mind by Dr. Neal Barnard

For why Milk is bad, explained in a very scientific and chemical breakdown, youtube

Udderly Amazing / Life at Its Best by Walter Veith

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I used to think I was healthy as I exercise a lot, look healthy and am spiritually aware but after really eliminating sugar, meat and diary from my diet, I have to say I never knew what feeling healthy actually felt like.

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Randall
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posted December 02, 2015 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting!

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Randall
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posted December 03, 2015 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A great book about this is Fit For Life 2.

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Randall
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posted December 04, 2015 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shocking!

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Valentine
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posted December 04, 2015 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SDragon, I couldn't agree more. I eliminated meat, milk and sugar (other than what's in some foods) more than 20 years ago, when I became a vegetarian. I have since had excellent health.

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posted December 05, 2015 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Valentine:
SDragon, I couldn't agree more. I eliminated meat, milk and sugar (other than what's in some foods) more than 20 years ago, when I became a vegetarian. I have since had excellent health.

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posted December 06, 2015 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I still eat dairy, but I know it's bad.

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posted December 06, 2015 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not a vegan, so do eat cheese & eggs, just not milk by itself, which I never liked the taste of anyway.

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PixieJane
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posted December 06, 2015 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About Udderly Amazing / Life at Its Best by Walter Veith...

That's almost an hour and a half long. I'm really not up to spending that much time on it. But I am curious, as surely it's mentioned, what does he say about mother's milk?

It's fine to give an approximate time on the YT vid where he goes into this.


Btw, having been raised on a farm, I know there's a big difference between cow's milk straight from the udder and what gets sold in stores. Back when I was under doctor's orders to gain weight, Granny had me drink raw milk (*) as it's supposed to be as fattening as nutritious. It wasn't enough, not even with all the other methods (I was just way too athletic as well as having to work on a farm, all in the humid Texas heat), but it was one of the best tasting treats I had, and seemed to give me an energy burst (which just contributed to defeating the purpose of my drinking it since I then worked off the fattening aspects).

(* Yeah, yeah, I know it's supposed to be unhealthy. But I drank it for months and never got sick, as have people for thousands of years now. That said, conditions prevent our farm from going the factory farm route, so I'm not aware of any high amount of hormones and the like fed to our cows and that may have made a difference, perhaps it's the factory farms with all that they do to their cows which makes the milk dangerous. And given that my family got that milk for me to drink, they surely made sure to use a healthy cow, whereas factory farmers are more worried about quantity over quality and less caring how it affects people they don't even know as long as they continue to make a profit.)

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posted December 07, 2015 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think the video talks too much about mother's milk but at around 5:17, he shows a breakdown of the difference between various animals, showing casein (protein) levels, and growth factors of the animal. Humans have about 1.2 mg/L and it takes about 120 days to double birth weight while cows have about 3.3 mg/L and it only takes them 47 days. And we wonder why the future generation of children seem to be developing and hitting puberty (physically at least) faster. And for anyone older than 30, why would we even want to basically take in a growth hormone? So that we can get old faster?

From my research and other videos as well, basically human mother's milk is the best milk for our infants because it's natural and just like other animals, it's designed specifically for our species. Almost all other animals ween their infants up to a certain stage and then they stop and once their children develop, their children no longer need to acquire the nutrients their body needs from their mother's milk but can digest them directly from their natural food source. Humans are the only species that have somehow convinced ourselves that after we stop taking in our mother's milk that somehow we now need to take in an animals milk that was never designed for us as a regular part of our diet.

Now I'm not saying it can't be used for special circumstances as long as there's a specific purpose, but today's nutritionists will have you convinced that you should be having some form of dairy everyday in all three meals. There have been studies that have shown that excess protein in the body is actually the cause of osteoporosis and yet we promote milk calcium as the cure of the disease when casein protein is one of the main causes for the disease itself.

But in one of John McDougall's videos about the milk fraud, he shows studies that demonstrate that even mother's milk can impact the fetus and affect their growth development if the mother takes in too much dairy or meat products. We know about drug addiction being passed down but we never think about the impact of the products we take in for sustenance.

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"You need meat to get protein"
"You need milk to get calcium"
"You need fish to get omega 3 fats"
"You need vitamins and supplements to be healthy"

With only a little research and awareness, it shouldn't take one long to begin to see that just like the tobacco industry tried to keep us in the dark for so long, other industries are doing the same. They are experts at the propaganda game to the point where we just repeat what they say, "A new study shows..."

But since when have they actually ever 'educated' the population to whom they seem to be so concerned about? Do they tell you that actual carnivores have 3x the acid in their stomach than humans to digest the meat and bones of their prey? Do they explain that the stomach acts like a chamber valve and that only once ALL the intake food is broken down, then it gets passed to the intestines - so if you combine vegetables and fruits which are broken down easily with meats which are not, the longer the vegetables and fruits are in the stomach, the more they ferment and this is the real reason for acid reflex and heartburn? No, because then they'd have to either convince us that vegetables and fruits are the bad guys or admit that meat is. Do they explain how our body manages its own balance of omega 3-omega 6 fat ratios and that if we would only stop overloading this ratio that we wouldn't need to get omega 3's from fish as our body would naturally manage this themselves?

Somehow, over the generations, we have convinced ourselves that our bodies have never known how to get optimal health and that WE must fix it by taking in any and everything that it was never designed to take in. Instead of viewing our bodies as perfect and providing the proper diet to maintain that perfection, we give it everything to reduce that perfection and wonder where all these diseases are coming from. I think one of the video presenter's said it best when they said "Superbugs is a myth and fallacy - the bugs never got super, we've just killed our immune systems to the point where they no longer fight off these bugs the way they were designed to"

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posted December 09, 2015 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^

Thanks.

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Randall
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posted December 10, 2015 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you!

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