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PixieJane
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posted April 24, 2016 02:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd be curious about any words or websites that explore the hidden meanings or whatever of Halloween 3: Season of the Witch.

I always felt that this movie had potential, but somehow failed to live up to it, and that if it had been integrated into the rest of the franchise (which I think they could've easily done) that it would've improved the entire series. But then maybe the writers and producers had a different end in mind rather than a good story (though intriguing enough, even given the primitive effects of the time).

I think what I found most intriguing was the mix of modern technology with the occult, so that they'd somehow combined witchcraft and even an old standing stone (I'd have loved to seen how they got that there!) with computers and TV, or the mix of robotics & golems and other simulacra (like dolls that come to life). Here's a "demonstration" of what they intend on a mass scale (and the number 11 shows up a lot in one scene, makes me wonder if that was intentional or not):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssS4T_OcltU

And then, there's Cochran's speech ("in the end, we don't decide these things, you know, planets do"), the one that made me realize I love wicked warlocks as villains as much as wicked witches. (Nothing wrong with the good ones, mind you, but as much as I love Hermione Granger, it's a crazy evil witch like Bellatrix that fascinates me...I like the monster witches as in Hansel and Gretel, but demented humans ones works as well):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7y3OiTDOdo

I'd be curious about commentary on the rest of the franchise, or similar franchises. It can even be a non-conspiracy examination, like saying how Season of the Witch was an artistic expression about consumer capitalism.

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posted April 25, 2016 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting perspective.

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posted April 28, 2016 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a really good review of the entire Series on Cinemassacre.com, and as it turns out Season of the Witch was suppose to be the start of a Halloween Anthology Series (with a different theme every year) not the continuation of the Michael Myers storyline which concluded in Halloween 2.

Clearly the producers were just trying to cash in on the Myers success by slapping “Halloween” on it and trying to pass it off as the next chapter with absolutely ZERO reference to Michael Myers… (Which is why most people hate it?). However as a standalone it’s a really creepy movie in of itself and explores some cool concepts.

Then down the road in Halloween 6 (which is a mess and has two versions, see the review), they try and loop back to ideas from the 3rd movie in terms of the “Witch Cults”, and absolutely destroy the reasoning/horror aspects of what made Michael scary in the first place…? And yet, with better writing I think they could have really enhanced the horror rather than messing it up…

It’s not so big of a stretch to tie in what Cochran was saying about Druidic Cults, and how his cult has links to the ones involved with Myers… and how all of that is still connected to concepts outside of our general sphere of understanding such as… “The Planets” and their motivations lol… because Halloween 6 (the Producers Cut) plays with concepts of “Stars Aligning…” and it all having to do with a “Thorn Constellation” which is in alignment at Halloween… (According to the movie… or something to that effect, explanation here)

Cochran’s Druidic Cults, The Cult of Thorn… you can see how it could easily be strung together. Only… they really blew it lol…

Hmmm Stars Aligning… Sacrificial Cults… Forces beyond our knowing dictating the motivations of Mankind and our efforts to appease them…? It wouldn’t seem too difficult of a creative leap then, towards including elements of the “Old Ones” as it appears aspects of the Thorn & Druidic cults have links to Lovecraftian like counterparts which operate under similar principles?

And in terms of the Digital / Magic Technology aspect…?

IIRC some very strange stuff was going on in the Middle Ages when Magicians where Channelling “The Macrobes” (throwing in some conspiracy here, starts talking about the Macrobes at around 2.30mins) and getting data related to the production of “Silicon”…. Aka- Computer Microchips…

(If that’s true…?)

Is there a Digital component to Magic which is directly tied to Forces existing in a more “Magical Realm”…? (Was this concept what Cochran and the Druids Cults were aware of) I wonder what Arthur C Clarke would say about that….?

As to Warlocks and Witches, I think it’s the motivation that makes them what they are, In Cochran’s case, he might as well say… “God told me to do this…” since often people Associate the Planets as Gods in the same category. Once you start bending concepts of God towards concepts of Evil… that’s where it can start to get real creepy… because we are dealing with something perhaps completely beyond our ability to stop them?

Maybe that’s why Man seeks access to Magic (And Technology?), our only weapon against such a possibility?


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posted April 29, 2016 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw one review in which it was stated that the only way the movie could be funded was by slapping the Halloween III on it. And then after it was done the ones who made it tried to get the Halloween III take it off, but the ones funding it were following economic lessons on marketing rather than ethics or artistic integrity, so it was released as Halloween III. Therefore, fans were rightly ticked off while those who made the movie possible with their money simply counted their returns and profit and shelved anymore Halloween movies for a long while.

Hmm...that's all I'll say now. I haven't watched the reviews, I'll do that later.

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posted April 30, 2016 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw that...the occult conspiracy vid on the Macrobes actually can flow into that well, it's almost poetic, but I'm thinking of other aspects as well that are included, such as this:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004871.html

I don't think I've seen Halloween 6. I've heard so many bad things about it. But after seeing those reviews, I just might. (And that magic would stop him when nothing else would doesn't seem absurd to me, it's common in myths and legends, and even in comics every great superhero and supervillain have their kryptonite...and it comes into play in horror movies, like Freddy with fire, and Jason with water/drowning. If every weakness ever recorded on vampires from folklore were true, including throwing seeds down which they're forced to count before they can leave, then it's no surprise to me why they're extinct! )

I came real close to once writing a crossover fanfic that crossed many genres, more for fun. It would really troll the Halloween fans (I could see that Film Master Adam breaking down into angry tears over what I had planned ), which would include a description on the cult and Michael Meyers that Buffy and friends would essentially "take out in one episode" (though I toyed with the idea of having Buffy kill Michael, who comes back and kills Buffy, who is brought back as she always is who kills Michael again, this time using a steam roller because, as she says, "I always find a way," while the Scoobies use the correct rituals to counter the cult and Michael).

Some I shared this with thought the part of mixing it with Hannah Montana was the most hilarious part (Michael is Hannah's/Miley's uncle that she was never told about, but after Michael hears Hannah on the radio, he breaks out of the sanitarium in an uncontrollable demonic rage to kill her) but as someone who babysat tweens who were major fans, I felt bad at the idea of one of them reading it and crying over it (since part of the fun to write it would be to try to remain true to both series--a challenge, needless to say--which means many of the characters would have to die). But that's no longer a concern, so even though I've pretty much resolved not to do anymore fanfics, maybe I SHOULD. Part of the fun is creating a coherent story (more so than the movies anyway), overcoming the challenge of mixing the shows and their respective tones (and the best horror stories, IMO, contrast with innocence and lightheartedness which the horror intrudes upon), and...making people like Film Master Adam shriek in rage as he pulls out his own hair while reading it.

Oh yeah, my idea for the ending was that Miley survives but has to go to foster care...and winds up in the Elm Street house with a prelude for the sequel, Freddy vs. Michael (and perhaps Miley runs away, hiding...at Camp Crystal Lake...).

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posted April 30, 2016 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I liked it, but it was the first Halloween movie that I saw (I was sick, and so mum let me sleep in her room, and took the little TV in for me - I couldn't sleep, and it was on).

The scene with the kid who won the reward of visiting the headquarters - what happened to him and his family, creeps me out to this day, as does the commercial that played throughout the movie.

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posted May 01, 2016 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is some truth to the idea of a kryptonite like effect taking out various villains… though in this case, Michael had been up until that point… an unstoppable killing machine… (minus a few time-outs after being thoroughly messed up) yet to be then thwarted by a few stones…???

It IS plausible in terms of the plot points they tried to connect and make more of an impact with in regards to the occult/cult aspects… but the trade off just didn’t work in the greater context of the Villain in question… not after the relentless blood bath of 5-6 movies prior…

Now had they actually got Michael perhaps between some “standing stones”, and went all out for a Magical… heck even Dunwich Horror like ending then maybe… maybe it might have come off better. Though in my opinion the producers were just left juggling bad conclusions either way… (because it already ended properly in Halloween 2?)

That being said, had they not gone in such a bizarre direction we wouldn’t have the more fun aspects of analyzing these screw ups, or seeing the potential of what “could have been”… which as the rest of your post leans towards… Some epic fan-fictions aiming to combine all the various plot-arcs such as Cochran’s Druids, Cult of Thorn etc…

As to your own Halloween story arc (fan-fiction), I believe you mentioned this before and just as I said then, for me the idea of Michael being Hannah’s relative, and after hearing her on the radio goes ape-**** …. That alone had me laughing like crazy… and wishing you would write it hehe…! (Now... adding in the more “Cultish-Connections” opens that up even more when you factor in the Season of the Witch/H6 variables that have come to light) So I do hope you change your mind about not doing any more side-tracks/stories from your other writings.

The ending too btw, with the Elm Street connection and the later Crystal Lake edition… Sigh, It HAS to be done LOL!


Damn, I was going to mention a bunch of other stuff in relation to “Macrobe/Matrix” angle, and the Digital Magic aspects… well, maybe later I guess.


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posted May 01, 2016 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First, to prevent confusion, I want to explain something: Miley Cyrus is a real person who once portrayed the fictional Miley Stewart with the secret identity of being Hannah Montana. There are many parallels between the real and fictional Miley, and also of the real and fictional father (the real life Miley's father also played the fictional Miley's father, and the fictional father was said to have come up with the songs that the real father did).

Now at the time I thought of making this fanfic, Miley was still young (and Hannah Montana still like the Beatles to tween girls).

Of course, Miley is now an adult with a colorful history. Though I don't hate Miley, I roll my eyes at her manipulative scandals (I'd prefer they were youthful pranks, but in any case I bet she one day cringes looking back on her life). I was still grudgingly impressed with Miley's twerking, because it was a classic that worked to make many singers a success (using a variant, of course), and it worked for her. The haters just made her music sell all the more, so she laughed all the way to the bank. Meanwhile, her father (an old pro in the biz) was on some self-righteous morality group who used the twerking incident to raise money for themselves, so her father profited from it as well. I'd say both are very cynical...and that their cynicism is justified (they're certainly benefiting from it, and wouldn't surprise me if her dad even put her up to it to mutually benefit both of them, especially as Sag sun, Scorpio cusp Miley loves to troll people for a laugh anyway).

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So with that in mind, as I now rethink it so many years later, I'm envisioning a scene in which Miley is rescued (temporarily) from Michael by a male camp counselor of Camp Crystal Lake who then sets out to seduce her (something that would've just been wrong at the time I first thought of it, unlike today). I work the scene so that she shares her secret of being a twerker online, and once she gives him a demonstration, then of course Jason appears and stabs the camp counselor.

Miley runs, shrieking, "Why does this keep happening to me!?" And she realizes she must be in some sort of shock that is hearing things, because the camp counselor could not have possibly used his last breath to wheeze out, "Karma!"

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posted May 03, 2016 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted May 04, 2016 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think there is much room these days for Miley hilarity that likely wasn’t as appropriate during the Hannah Montana era…. perhaps it was just as if often with Magic, a matter of timing.

Though going back to Season of the Witch for a moment, One of the things I like about the movie is that Cochran is Irish… and is touted as a Warlock Genius lol… and not a drop of Whiskey in sight… (And being Irish… makes a nice change from the standard stereo types in horror movies if the Irish show up lol…)

I remembered too a curious thing in that the lady at the motel (before her death scene) was reading Carlos Castaneda’s “Eagles Gift”

Carlos Castaneda takes the reader into the very heart of sorcery, challenging both imagination and reason, shaking the very foundations of our belief in what is "natural" and "logical."

….which I’m sure has some sort of relevance in that those books deeply explore “Sorcery” and aspects of what consists of Personal/Esoteric Power… not so far removed either from what Cochran appears to be doing.

And a funny parallel in terms of the Silver Shamrocks Advertisement… the jingle/melody is that of “London Bridge is Falling Down”… I notice such as I was humming it to myself and found that old nursery rhyme coming forward in my mind… often in music parallels like that happen naturally, it could be pure coincidence but then maybe not.

Cochran’s Sorcery is in many ways, as you said in your opening post, a reflection of commercialism, and yet when you go back in time and study the birth of “Advertisement” and the concepts of Social engineering via Art/Psychology/Propaganda… the people/groups behind those movements and periods of time often have very interesting backgrounds that can include an awareness of “Magick”… (even Elements of Theosophy) up to the point of association with “Elizabethan Macrobes” like entities…??

(As was in that video IIRC “The Macrobes”);

Bizarre stuff indeed… was the whole movie indeed a “Psi-Op”…! (Giggle)
…cue Twilight Zone theme…


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posted May 05, 2016 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She's toned down since she got back with her first love.

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posted May 07, 2016 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just throwing this out there…
Some modern day Cochran like magic lol??

I really love these Digital Concerts/Raves… both for the Music, the Lighting and the whole sort of Digital Magic they aim to produce through Esoteric Symbology and a kind of Guided Meditation…

I especially like the opening to the 2004 Event, Qlimax 2005, and the 2009 Opening is also spectacular in terms of the Guided Meditation section, with the Female Announcer and her surreal soothing voice… and those drums… oohh baby LOL!

I think it would make a good story, or elements of anyhow that behind concerts like “Qlimax” there is some kind of Occult Group, that during the event they are all either having an orgy (or just performing some Magic Ritual) under the stage/dance floor or in executive suites high above… while channelling the energy of everyone there to make deeper connections to their Pan-Dimensional Entities…!

……………..25,000 Infected Souls!!


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posted May 08, 2016 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted May 09, 2016 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was an okay movie.

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