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http://velikovsky.org/en/vita.html

Immanuel Velikovsky was born in Vitebsk in White Russia in 1895.
He studied medicine, science and other subjects, e.g. philosophy, ancient history and law at the Universities of Montpellier (France), Edinburgh (Great Britain), Moscow (Russia) and Kharkiv (Ukraine) in difficult circumstances caused by the discrimination and persecution of the Jews as well as the political and war-related chaos of the time.
After getting his M.D. in Moscow in 1921 he emigrated to Germany, where he founded the scientific journal Scripta Universitatis in Berlin. In this project he came into contact with Albert Einstein, who was editor of the mathematical-physical section.

( this section of the article is inaccurate as the scientific journal was established by velikovsky and this fathers along with others.
see varchive.org
Einstein was not part of scripta as he was the head of the Germany physical intatire at the time. scripta was established to give german scientist a forum for their work. up until the establishment of scripta, jewish scientists did not have a forum because there were virtually no Jewish scientist at this time. as velikovsky related, jews had been concerned with merchantile interest and shippig throughout the 18th and 19th centuries of sciencific discovery . no scientific discoveries were made by Jewish scientist in these centuries. as a consequence velikovsy want to give the then emerging Jewish scientist a journal for their work. velikovsky did sent various scientific treatise to Einstein for comment , but in every case Einstein returned these papers with the comment that he had no knowledge of the subject matter. the plain truth is that Einstein did nto know anything except his theories of relativity. for that matter Einstein was a fraud which I will go over in the thread the fraud of science.briefly there were no ideas in Einstein's theory that were original . he was a plagiarist and infect his theory of general relativity was faulty . the mathematics were incorrect and never straightened out.one should read a Different Universe by nobel prize recipient laughton as he makes the point that to this day the theoretical physicist admit that Einstein's math has never been proven yet they "suppose that if the math was solved it would be correct". so Einstein was been given a "pass". to this day,though Einstein's theories are unproven, if one speaks against Einstein one career in physics is over. Einstein is a another example of cultural fraud by the kabbalahist that censor our culture. todd)

This project, furthermore, laid the foundation for the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, the presidency of which was offered to Immanuel Velikovsky.
After getting married to his wife Elisheva (s. photo) in 1923 Velikovsky settled in Palestine and started to practice as a physician. At the same time he started to study psychoanalysis with Wilhelm Stekel, the first disciple of Freud, whom he visited several times in Vienna, published several scientific papers about the subject and opened the first psychoanalytical practice in Palestine.
Doing research for a planned book project about Freud’s dream interpretation and about a new view of Freud’s heros Oedipus and Akhnaton, Velikovsky needed access to numerous literary sources. For this reason in 1939 he travelled to New York together with his family. Shortly afterwards World War II began and he had to extend his stay for an indefinite period, finally staying in the US for good due to his unexpected discoveries.
The next 10 years he spent with intensive research about the geological and anthropological facts he had discovered, which in 1949 he presented to the public in his book Worlds in Collision. By its contents, as well as by the scandalous reaction of the representatives of the scientific establishment, this book initiated such a far-reaching and revolutionary development in many areas of science and society that until today its actuality and importance have even increased.
Velikovsky himself, however, even after the publication of 4 more books, was confronted with a heavy up and down of overwhelming acceptance and devastating – unfortunately mostly very unserious – rejection, which resulted in a heavy psychological burden for him.
After moving to Princeton in the fifties he had a close and friendly relationship with Albert Einstein, discussing his theories with him. After Einstein’s death Velikovsky’s Worlds in Collision was found open on his desk.
Inspite of more and more recent research in geology and planetology supporting his theories, Velikovsky remained the victim of a discrediting campaign until his death, which is neither in proportion with his exact scientific methodology nor with the contents and importance of his works.
He died in Princeton in 1979.

today the mainstream media has lauched a campaign against "fake news" but the fact is the scientific establishment has produced "fake news" for generations by ignoring and censoring all data that shows the inadequacy of their theories,

Dr,Velikovsky's books hight lightened the failings of ,archeology, cosmology, anthropologly,evolutionary theory, einsteinian and newtonian physics,geology, to mention a few.the scientific establishment responded by censoring his books and putting pressure on commercial publishers to not publish his books.

as Dr Velikovsky wrote, the Guardians of Dogma had vested interest in the existing theories and reaped profits from the books of the establishment theories, and therfore do not want the truth to upset their system of revenue.

hough he was by no means an astrologer,his theories on the birth and interaction of the planets forever made me look behind dogma,whether science or astrology and prepared me to see the underpinning of astrology.

briefly, professor velikovsky theory is that the planet venus was either a comet caught by jupiter and sent toward earth or was venus itself burst forth from jupiter.
newly created venus struck mars before a close encounter with the earth, causing catastrophic physical affects on earth.

this doesn't seem too far out but the fact that he placed this cosmic event around 1500 bc,well within the historical record,this fact set of howls of protest from the scientific community .his initial book Worlds in Collision was "banned" by academia and and publishers for over 10 years.

yet many of his prediction have turned out to be true. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_velikovsky.htm

he wrote a series of books ,each verifying his theory from different scientific disciplines.
mythology and cultural anthropology,
geological evidence,
archeological and biblical evidence.

when venus hit mars,it set mars on a orbit than would several hundred years later bring mars close enough to the earth to cause the earths axis to be affected.

venus itself passes near enough to cause catastrophic affects on earth and affect the axis of the earth.

this scenario presupposed that the orientation of the axis was changed within the last few thousand years.

the arabic astrologer Arzachel ,using ancient codices, calculated the ancient babylon was 2 degrees further north than in historical times.
the great astrologer johannes kepler took note of these calculations and accepted the result.

when venus first encounter the earth in circa 1500 bc the gravitation effect between the planets pulled the easrth axis so that in the biblical tale of joshua,Joshua 10:12-13,the sun stood still for several hours allowing the israelite to win a decisive battle.
the hebrew commentary Midrashim describes the sun and moon standing still for 36 itim or about 8 hours.

when,several hundred years later mars started to affect the earth, there is actually a recorded date.

the chinese records show that on march 23 -687 bc time, the sun set and then rose back up.
this date is archeologically the date given when king sennscherib's army was utterly destroyed by hail and brimestone,according to the hebrew commentaries and the torah.
this episode is well known from the bible and archeology .

these books offer a mind boggling amount of evidence from multiple disciplines.

professor velikovsky also assails Darwinian theory for it's inadequatecy to integrate the geological evidence of these encounters.
it is very easy to see why creationism is making inroads to evolution, as the theory of evolution has claimed much more that the evidence supports.

the significance of professor velikovsky's work is shown by the active suppression of his theory for 60 years.
why is there a cultural amnesia?
why is the theory still actively suppressed when evidence is overwhelmingly behind him?

why are we programmed to see black as white?

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Dr Immanuel VelIkovsky was a well known and respected scholar. he among a few others were integral in establishinges some fundamental blocks of the Hebrew University in Israel.

so the was no "crack pot",he was part of the intelligentsia of his time. this is the reason he was so vehemently attacked when his theories disproved established ideas in many different disciplines, not the least Einstein's relativity and newton's law of gravity.

his theories have continued to be proven ,his prediction in cosmology have been verified by the space probes launched. his book, Worlds in Collision was published in 1950 years before any space probes had been launched.yet the establishment or as he called them the "Guardians of Dogma" still slander his name and discoveries.
I bring his history up now because the concept of fake new has been existence and used by the establishment for 100's of years,if not 1000's.

a good place to research his ideas is at http://varchive.org/.
this gives much of his unpublished work and give his letters with Einstein and other notables.

when venus hit mars,it set mars on a orbit than would several hundred years later bring mars close enough to the earth to cause the earths axis to be affected.

venus itself passes near enough to cause catastrophic affects on earth and affect the axis of the earth.

there are a few astronomical facts that support the near interaction with venus .

http://www.lunarplanner.com/HCpages/Venus.html

Venus orbits the Sun in 224.701 Earth days ( ~.615 Earth years ), moving slightly faster than Earth. Because of the two different orbital rates of Venus and Earth, Venus must orbit the sun 2.6 times while Earth orbits 1.6 times before the two planets align. This period (583.92 Earth days) is called the Earth-Venus synodic cycle (synod means "place of meeting").


Because the Earth moves 584 Earth days, (about 1.6 years around the ecliptic) before the two planets align, each alignment occurs about 215.6° further than the previous one (about seven astrological signs apart). As this process continues, five unique Venus-Earth locations are created in the ecliptic. The result is a pentagonal synodic series that takes about eight years and which consists of five synodic cycles (shown below). This near perfect pattern (also called a grand quintile) occurs because five cycles occur in an even number of Earth years--almost


that the same face of venus and earth reoccurs during the synodal conjunctions, implies the planet were at some time near enough for their gravitional force to entangled in this manner. it is statistically impossible to have this type synchronous rotation occur randomly.


I have mentioned in passing that Dr Velikovsky's work negates the theory of gravity ,Newtonian and einsteinian.
one reason is that electromagnetic fields can do the exact things that are attributed to gravity .
for instance gravity is said to bend light, but a electromagnetic field also bends light and in fact an asronmoer can not distinguish if light id bent bu gravity or an electromagnetic field. astronomers have detected electromagnetic field over 500 million light in length. but still they never consider the possibility that light they see can be anything but caused by gravity.

one of the main reason that scientist have rejected Dr VeliKovsky's theory is that if Venus,then a comet, had collided with the earth, then the mechanical interaction could not have shifted the magnetic poles and the earths crust would have been split open.

Dr.Velikovsky theories claimed that the electrical forces of the planets interacted and caused the pole shift and that as charged objects they did not necessary physically collide .

the scientist countered that the earths magnetic field to too weak to have had any part of this action.

but recent discoveries have shown that the notion that the earths magnetic field is weak has been proven wrong and instead the earths magnetic field including the Van Allen Belt are extremely strong, strong enough to accelerate sub atomic particles to near speed of light velocities.

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...E%3C%2FFONT%3Ehttp://api.vigl ink.com/api/click?for...E%3C%2FFONT%3E


NASA recently discovered what appears to be a 'force field' over Earth, fueling the fire over whether our planet has been under spiritual and physical quarantine as many have suggested -

what appears to be a 'force field' over Earth, fueling the fire over whether our planet has been under spiritual and physical quarantine as many have suggested. According to Daniel Baker, director of the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics, the electron barrier exists in the Van Allen belts, a pair of donut-shaped belts that ring the Earth teeming with protons and electrons -


First it has been determined that the Van Allen belt is accelerating atomic particles to relativistic speeds.
These high energy particles had been noted for decades. First they thought cosmic rays were imparting the relativistic speeds of the particles. It is now conclusive the particles are being accelerated in the Van Allen belt.
The second observation is that these streams of relativistic particle are being contained by a force field……………now there is a force field around the earth that has never been detected before, yet this force field can contain the relativistic energies the earth is seemingly generating.
The standard model is being marketed as complete, which it is not, the this model does not have any idea as to what or where the energy comes from.
Astrologically, it is quite obvious, if one considers the ecliptic.
A couple of decades ago, the Helios series were placed in orbit around the sun to monitor the close up the various phenomena. At one point the satellites were turned outward toward space and they recorded that the ecliptic includes a plane of iridescent light that extends out as far as can be seen from the sun equator. What is this energy? The Standard model, as usual, has no idea in the world and so the energy field is ignored.
The earth is the only planet that is coplanar with the ecliptic. The earth is always on the ecliptic. the force of this “unknown” force field is the ecliptic. This keeps the earth “locked’ on the ecliptic plane.
The earth moves up a minute of arc and then down a minute of arc, back and forth across the ecliptic. As a consequence the apparent motion of the sun across the sky is serpentine, reflecting the earths ‘up and down’ motion.
it seems plausible that it is the ecliptic which is confining the sub atomic particle, creating a giant cyclotron. The earth is a giant particle accelerator.
this is the source of the power tesla tapped into, this is the power that causes the catastrophic geological chaos of velikovsky

here is Dr.Velikovsky's explanation of the electromagnetic nature of the solar system http://varchive.org/ce/cosmos.htm
below is partial copy of the text

I
THE FUNDAMENTAL theory of this paper is: Gravitation is an electromagnetic phenomenon. There is no primary motion inherent in planets and satellites. Electric attraction, repulsion, and electromagnetic circumduction(1) govern their movements. The moon does not “fall,” attracted to the earth from an assumed inertial motion along a straight line, nor is the phenomenon of objects falling in the terrestrial atmosphere comparable with the “falling effect” in the movement of the moon, a conjecture which is the basic element of the Newtonian theory of gravitation.

Aside from several important facts discovered in the study of cosmic upheavals, which are not illuminated here and only enumerated at the end of this paper, and which are discussed at length in a work of research entitled Worlds In Collision now being prepared for publication, the following facts are incompatible with the theory of gravitation:

The ingredients of the air—oxygen, nitrogen, argon and other gases—though not in a compound but in a mixture, are found in equal proportions at various levels of the atmosphere despite great differences in specific weights. The explanation accepted in science is this: “Swift winds keep the gases thoroughly mixed, so that except for water-vapor the composition of the atmosphere is the same throughout the troposphere to a high degree of approximation.” (2) This explanation cannot be true. If it were true, then the moment the wind subsides, the nitrogen should stream upward, and the oxygen should drop, preceded by the argon. If winds are caused by a difference in weight between warm and cold air, the difference in weight between heavy gases high in the atmosphere and light gases at the lower levels should create storms, which would subside only after they had carried each gas to its natural place in accordance with its gravity or specific weight. But nothing of the kind happens.

When some aviators expressed the belief that “pockets of noxious gas” are in the air, the scientists replied:
“There are no ‘pockets of noxious gas.’ No single gas, and no other likely mixture of gases, has, at ordinary temperatures and pressures, the same density as atmospheric air. Therefore, a pocket of foreign gas in that atmosphere would almost certainly either bob up like a balloon, or sink like a stone in water.” (3)
Why, then, do not the atmospheric gases separate and stay apart in accordance with the specific gravities?


Ozone, though heavier than oxygen, is absent in the lower layers of the atmosphere, is present in the upper layers, and is not subject to the “mixing effect of the wind.” The presence of ozone high in the atmosphere suggests that oxygen must be still higher: “As oxygen is less dense than ozone, it will tend to rise to even greater heights.” (4) Nowhere is it asked why ozone does not descend of its own weight or at least why it is not mixed by the wind with other gases.


Water, though eight hundred times heavier than air, is held in droplets, by the millions of tons, miles above the ground. Clouds and mist are composed of droplets which defy gravitation.
The spots of the sun are magnetic, and the filaments of hydrogen on the sun’s surface arrange themselves as iron particles in a magnetic field.(38) Besides the spots, the sun as a whole is a magnet. “The form of the corona and the motion of the prominences suggest that it is a magnet,” wrote G.E. Hale when he undertook to detect the Zeeman effect.(39) The Zeeman effect proved to be most pronounced at 45° in both hemispheres of the sun; Hale found the displacement of lines decreases to zero at the equator and near the poles of rotation; and also that “a first approximate value for the vertical intensity of the sun’s general field at the poles is 50 gausses.” Thus, it was confirmed that the sun is a magnet, but the magnetic field was found not to be strong.
This result is questioned here. The lines of the corona suggested the existence of a magnetic field on the sun to the scholar who discovered it. But the form of the corona suggests a powerful magnetic field.(40) Visible coronal bands and streamers reach a distance equal to ten and more diameters from the disc of the sun—Mercury is only forty solar diameters from the sun and Earth 108 solar diameters. More recent investigation by Stevens, who photographed the streamers from 25,000 feet, disclose a globular corona more extensive than any known from ground photographs.
Disturbances in filaments and vortices of the sun affect the ionosphere of the earth and prove the existence of a powerful charge on the sun; rotating at the speed of the solar rotation, a strong charge must produce a strong magnetic field.
A revised investigation of the magnetic power of the field around the sun is here suggested. It should be kept in mind that the observations have been made from the solar magnetic field, in which the earth is embedded, if our concept is correct. It is possible also that the strongest Zeeman effect will show itself in latitudes higher than 45°. As is well known, the angle of observation must be taken into consideration in observing the Zeeman effect.
The sun is a rotating charged body, and it creates a magnetic field. We assume the solar charge to be large enough to produce a magnetic field with lines of force reaching the orbit of Pluto. The charged planets move at right angles to the sun’s magnetic lines of force and describe the usual circular motion to which moving charged bodies are subjected in a magnetic field. Satellites, in turn, revolve in smaller magnetic fields produced by the rotation of the charged planets. The non-rotating planets have no satellites, for they do not produce magnetic fields. If there are rotating satellites, they may be able to revolve trabants around them.
“The origin of the earth’s main magnetic field has so far defied all attempts of solution.” (41) The cause of the earth’s magnetic field is in (1) the magnetic field of the sun, and (2) the rotation of the charged earth around its axis.
It has been calculated(42) that if the earth is a magnet because of the rotating charge on its surface, the charge must be so great as to “enter as a serious factor in planetary perturbations,” and therefore the theory was dropped.(43) But this is exactly what happens: the electromagnetic fields of the earth and of other planets are the causes of the planetary perturbations.
We have constructed a theory according to which the members of the solar system are charged bodies; electric attraction and repulsion, and electromagnetic circumduction act in the system; the origin of the magnetic field around the sun is in its charge—the sun is an electromagnet; planetary motion is due to the electromagnetic force exerted on the planets by the sun. The planets as charged bodies create magnetic fields by their rotation. It follows that (a) gravity, depending on electrical charge, varies with the charge, (b) the masses of the planets are inaccurately calculated, (c) the positive and negative charges are manifested only in relation to the charge of the earth.
One of the differences between the conception of celestial mechanism expounded here and the theories of gravitation of Newton and Einstein is that in our understanding the revolution of the moon is a process of a different order from that of the falling of objects near the terrestrial ground. The revolution of the moon is a phenomenon of circumduction of a charge by a magnetic field and is not a fall combined with inertia; the primary motion of planets and satellites along a straight line is a fallacious notion. At the distance of the moon the electromagnetic field of the earth causes circumduction while in the terrestrial atmosphere the electric field between the earth and the ionosphere causes the movement of the dipoles. Like the moon, the earth and other planets and satellites are subject to electromagnetic circumduction.

IV
“Universal gravitation” is an electromagnetic phenomenon, in which the charges in the atoms, the free charges, the magnetic fields of the sun and the planets play their parts.

In the frame of this theory the following phenomena become explainable:

All planets revolve in approximately one plane. They revolve in a plane perpendicular to the lines of force of the sun’s magnetic field.


The planets have a greater aggregate energy of motion than the sun. The revolution of the planets did not originate in the angular velocity of rotation of the sun; the magnetic field of the sun effected their revolution. Also, the fact that one of the satellites of Mars revolves with an angular speed greater than that of the rotation of this planet is explained here by electromagnetic circumduction.


The retrograde revolution of a number of satellites. It is due either to retrograde rotation of the primary with inversed magnetic poles or to a difference of charges. The fact that the retrograde satellites of Jupiter and Saturn are the most remote from their primaries poses the problem whether their remoteness from the primaries and their relative closeness to the sun play a role in their being of a presumably different charge than the other satellites of Jupiter and Saturn.(44)

In the case of Uranus, the retrograde revolution of its satellites follows the retrograde rotation of the planet and its magnetic field. (One of the magnetic poles of Uranus can be readily investigated because it faces the ecliptic.)

The rotation of the earth. The tidal theory fails to account for the rotation of the planets. The position of the magnetic poles of the earth at a distance of about 20 degrees from the geographical poles may be related to the rotation of the earth. Once each day the magnetic poles of the earth occupy the southernmost and the northernmost positions in the lines of the magnetic field of the sun.


Perturbations among the members of the solar system are actions of attraction as well as of repulsion and depend on the charges of the planets and satellites and their magnetic properties. The fact that after perturbations, the planets resume their normal courses is due to the regulating action of the sun’s magnetic field. Similarly, the satellites are regulated in their motion by the electromagnetic fields of the primaries.


The anomalies in the motion of Mercury and other planets. The velocities of revolution of the planets depend on their charges. A strongly charged body is carried across the lines of the magnetic field more swiftly than a weakly charged body. If the charge of a planet increases, the velocity of revolution of such a planet must increase too. Positive as well as negative charges arrive from the sun in an uninterrupted flow.

The planet Mercury moves faster and faster. This must be the result of an increasing charge of the planet. Also, the anomalies in the motion of other inner planets may be attributed to a changing charge; other irregularities in the motion of the planets can be attributed to the fact that the electrical charge of the sun is not equally distributed on the solar surface.

The deflection of a ray of light passing close to the sun. Before attributing the deflection to the gravitational field of the sun, the influence of the magnetic field of the sun on the rotation of light should be calculated. (The influence of the moon on a ray of light by creating a ripple in the atmosphere during a solar eclipse must not be overlooked; an investigation of the trajectory of a stellar ray passing close to the moon in a lunar eclipse is suggested here.)

The repulsion of a comet’s tail by the sun. The head of a comet and its tail are charged under a great potential difference, accounting for the manifest repulsion of the tail and attraction of the head. The neck of the comet is probably composed of positive and negative elements in equal proportion, thus forming a neutral zone between the head and the tail. Under the influence of the temperature in space the charges change and the comet returns on its orbit.


* * *
The theory of the Cosmos without Gravitation given here in synopsis is written also in a comprehensive form (1941-43). I arrived at this concept early in 1941 as a result of my research in the history of cosmic upheavals as they affected the earth and other members of the solar system. A number of facts proved to me that the sun, the earth and other planets, the satellites, and the comets, are charged bodies, that the planets and their satellites have changed their orbits repeatedly and radically, and that gravitational attraction or the weight of objects has changed during human history. I thus recognized the fact that not gravitation, but electric attraction and repulsion and electromagnetic circumduction govern the solar system.
In construction the electromagnetic theory of the solar system, I am indebted to Miss Shulamith Velikovsky for valuable suggestions on the dipole explanation of attraction between the atoms and the dipole concept of inertia

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a few years back ,i took some upper division courses on Ancient Egypt.at the end of the year,we had a few days with nothing to do,so the professor gave us these 4 days to study *for other classes or simply socialize.the professor was a older german woman who had spent years in the field.on the last day she was leaning against her desk and casually said"the greatest mystery of the ancient Egyptians is why the disappeared" .this was quite a schock to hear because in all the books in the course and all the books*i*have read since that time, nowhere has it ever been stated that the ancient Egyptians just disappeared.

as ancient Egypt buffs know, the 18th dynasty was followed by the 19th and 20th dynasty. to the 20th dynasty*belongs the famous ramses II, or ramses the great.but beginning with the 19th dynasty, the ancient Egyptians were Semitic. the*ancient Egyptian royal *bloodline ended with king *Tutankhamen ,the famous boy king,King Tut.there was another king,king Ay but he*was not of royal lineage.
then the history books say came haremhab, a general of king tut. he*was followed by ramses I .no where is there reported a breakage in this line of succession. so the mystery is how did the ancient Egyptian bloodline disappear between the 18th and 19th dynasty.and for that matter why is this fact totally ignored by the Egyptology establishment.

the only author who has ever explained*this subject is dr immanuel velikovsky. and like all this writings,the answer *totally blows away the field of egyptology.
velikovsky places ramses not in the 12th century bc*but in the 4th century bc. how could all the authorities on ancient Egypt make such a gigantic mistake. but then why does the egyptology establishment suppress the mystery of the disappearance of the ancient Egyptians.

*and as usually velikovsky provides archaeologically facts that show his assertions to be true.

to begin with, how do egyptologist know*ramses the great rule in the 12th century bc.
one would think that since *Egyptian history is the time line that all of the ancient world*is measue by, that there would be hard evidence of this date. but this is not the case . ramses1*was assigned the 12th century before Egyptian hieroglyphs had even be deciphered*.

the rosetta stone was found in1799, it contained 3 versions of a decree by king Ptolemy V. one version of Egyptian *hieroglyphics, one was demonic,*a cursive style of egyptian and one was ancient greek . from this jean francois Champollion was able to translate the rosetta stone in1825. but his tranlations were limited to the names ofkings a few other aspects. the full rosetta stone was not deciphered completely until the canopus decree was found in 1866,also with the same scripts. from this it *was able to *verify cahmpellon's decipherment and led to the complete understanding of ancient Egyptian.

so *would think that there is documentary evidence that ramses was reigning in the 12th century bc.

but this is not the case.ramses was asserted to *have reigned in 1147bc by a scottish psychiatrist,J.C.Prichard.................in 1819 ,6 years before the rosetta stone was translated and 50 years before the Egyptian hieroglyphs were totally decoded.
later, 1n1841*rosellini placed ramses at 1477bc with no explanation. Champollion figeac,brother of jean francois Champollion, had placed rsamses at 1277 bc in1841,again with no explanation .
so there is no*archaeological ,documentary or monumental evidence to assign ramses 1 to the 12th century.

but why does the archaeological Establishment accept this date for ramses?

in 238ad, a roman author named censorinus(whose daughter, hypatia invented the astrolabe),claimed that the ancient Egyptians used a heliacal year,or a "year of god" or the"sothic years" of 1461 years duration.in the 4th century ad theon wrote in his Liber Die Natali and that the new sothic year had begun in 139AD*that the greek menophres was ramses the1 and he reigned at the beginning of the last sothic years in1322BC.

the problem here is that there is no where in any ancient Egyptian monument or document mention of a*
"sothic year"*.*
Claudius Ptolemy whose epic work TertraBiblos ,was the standard astrological and astronomical book for a 1000 years was alive in Alexandria in 139AD, but made no mention of the "sothic year".

the sequence of egyptian king used by egyptologist is derived from the Egyptian priest manetho(3rd centurybc). this list was used by Eusebius of caesarea (260-340ad) and by julius africaus (180-250 ad) in writing their respective histories of the world.
but manethos king list were produced to impress upon the antiquity of the Egyptians over all others cultures. as such he list kings that go back to the time of the gods. and the names he gives the kings have no correaltion with existing archaeological names and so *it became a game of picking asnd choosing which king in manetho correlated with which king the greeks knew of.in addition there was no way to demark where the mythological kings ended and the"historical kings began.

yet despite the fact there is no documentary evidence to support manetho's king list and in spite of the fact that egyptologist *H.R. Hull(1873-1930), wrote"of manetho list,"a careless and uncritical compilation",it serves as the basis of Egyptian history.
and hull *himself would later write,"the complete skeleton of the scheme was provided by the continous literary tradition preserved by the egyptian preist manetho,this has been clothed with flesh hy the archeologist"

this is a factual lie, as there is no documentary of monumental evidence that shows haremhab was a general of king tut.
there is no* documentary or monumental evidence that ramses 1 followed *as king. when hull says that this "has been clothed with flesh by the archaeologist",he is simply lying.


and this is not all the archaeological evidence that places ramses the great in the period before the greek Ptolemaic kings of egypt.
but enough for now.
velikovsky's book*The People of the Sea, goes into amazing details that leave no doubt that ramses III reign 100's of years after the established timeline gives for egyptian**history.

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NASA actually verified a force surrounding the Earth.

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Dr Immanuel VelIkovsky was a well known and respected scholar. he among a few others were integral in establishinges some fundamental blocks of the Hebrew University in Israel.

so the was no "crack pot",he was part of the intelligentsia of his time. this is the reason he was so vehemently attacked when his theories disproved established ideas in many different disciplines, not the least Einstein's relativity and newton's law of gravity.

his theories have continued to be proven ,his prediction in cosmology have been verified by the space probes launched. his book, Worlds in Collision was published in 1950 years before any space probes had been launched.yet the establishment or as he called them the "Guardians of Dogma" still slander his name and discoveries.
I bring his history up now because the concept of fake new has been existence and used by the establishment for 100's of years,if not 1000's.

a good place to research his ideas is at http://varchive.org/.
this gives much of his unpublished work and give his letters with Einstein and other notables.

just a few other archeological discoveries that place Ramses in the 4rd centruryAD and not in the 12th century AD.

a palace built by Ramses the great was found in the east delta and excavated by edouard naville near a place called Tell El Yahudiya or Mound of the Jews.
among the ruins were vast quantities of fired glossy square clay tiles with vivid stylized flowers on them. these style of tiles were well known as Persian in design.
on the backside of the tiles were marks made by the artisans before they were fired.half the markings were hieratic ,a cursive style of hieroglyphics .
but surprisingly the other half of the tiles had Greek letters on them. again the Ionians, Greeks, did not exist in the12th century BC, let alone their alphabet. and the case could not that maybe this was proto Greek because some of the letters ,alpha sigma ,were of a style from late greek classical times..4th-3rd century BC.
again archeological remains attesting to the fact that Ramses reigned in the 3rd century BC.

in addition a grave yard was found nearby. the graves were exactly of the same sort as another graveyard some miles away that was positively dated to the 3rd century. so the former grave yard was dated to the 3rd century until scarabs associated with ramses were fund. then a split occurred in the archeologists. one changed to 12th century BC, while the other archeologist would not change his date from the 3rd century because the form and style of the artifacts in the grave were clearly 3rd century BC.this dispute was never resolved and one gave the opinion of the date in the 12thcentury BC,the other gave the opinion of the date as the 3rd century BC.

the graves has double handle vessels called amphora, vessels for storing and transporting grains ,wine,etc these vessel were know to be no early that 7th century. but in spite of the fact that ramses's tomb showed paintings of these exact amphora, still the establishment archeologist place Ramses the great in the 12 the century.

one of the llargest papyri ever discovered is the great papyrus harris,133 ft longhand 16.5inches high.
it was found to be the last will and testament of Ramses the Great, though it was possibly writtenby his sonRamses 4.
but the problem that confounded the Egyptologist was that it describes Egypt under the control for many years by a Syrian named arsa.
the problem is that there is no record of a period of foreign rule over Egypt inthe12the century.it was supposed that there was a clear and peace time line stretching back to the18th dynasty .

yet the document clearly said Egypt had been "overthrown from without"
"other times have come often with empty years,Arza,a certain syrian, was with them as chief,he set the whole land in tribute before him, he united his companions and plundered their possessions, gods like men and no offering were presented in the temples"

the Persian king Cambyses conquered Egypt in 535BC . Persian king darius appointed a governor named arsame/arshu, Syrian to rule over Egypt and collect tribute. this is know because of the discovery of :"cowhide"papyrus" that the Persians used to write their cuneiform dispatches on .arza or arshu ruled from Babylon over Egypt and many cow hide correspondence have been excavated from about420BC

these royal cowhides tell of how arza did levy harsh tribute for Egypt and that this henchmen appropriated many of the Egyptians lands.
the Papyrus Harris was correct and as Ramses the greats last will and testament, it is clear Ramses reigned in the 4th century after he wage war to regain the sovereignty of Egypt. this is a synopsis and there is a great more details given in the Peoples of the Sea that further collaborate that Ramses reigned in the 4th century BC and not the 12thcenturyBC

yet all this hard archeological evidence is ignored. clearly science is not objective but a the whims of the guardians of dogma.

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briefly, one of professor velikovsky realizations is that the planet venus was either a comet caught by jupiter and sent toward earth or was venus itself burst forth from jupiter.

newly created venus struck mars before a close encounter with the earth, causing catastrophic physical affects on earth.

this doesn't seem too far out but the fact that he placed this cosmic event around 1500 bc,well within the historical record,this fact set of howls of protest from the scientific community .his intial book [Worlds in Collision] was "banned" by academia and and publishers for over 10 years.

as the year have past more and more evidence that his theories are correct have come out.everythime a space probe was launched ,data would come back that supported velikovsky assertions.
for istance in 1950 he said venus would have a surface temperatire of over 600 degres F. all scientist said this was imossible, but it turns out venus has a surface temperature of over 800 degree F. he said that Jupiter would be giving off more energy that it was receiving from the sun. now it is know that Jupiter is a gas giant and is radiating much more energy than it receives. in addition velikovsky said that Jupiter would be radiating radio wave. and it turned out that as one of jupiter's moons orbits through Jupiter's atmosphere, it radiates radio frequencies... on and on.

a new "discovery" once again shows the prescience of velikovsky's theories.

velikovsky said the in about 1500 bc the then comet like orb,venus "collided" with the earth and moved the earths axis and caused major geologicl catastrophes on here.
one of these was a world wide "wave the rushed from the equator to the poles and then back again, sweeping up millions of animals than depsositing them in mountain crevasses and in of in major rivers systems 1000's of miles from their origin .

the artic circle instantaneously moved 1000 miles south. immediately freezing wolly mammoths. the fact is that remains of these huge animals have been extracted from northen latitudes for 100's of years from Russian Siberia to alaska. in Alaska and other places around the world one used to be able to eat the meat of these frozen animal.the meat was used to feed sleigh dogs .
the dogma of science said that the last mammoths died over 10,000 years ago, so these freeze dried carcasses could not be a function of velikovsky theorical shift of the artic circle.

but again recent discovery's have found that mammoths still lived 3600 years ago and then became extinct. this is exactly the time frame work that velikovsky proposed 70 years ago.

of course the article put a dogmatic scientific spin on this discovery. but fails to question how science could have been so wrong about the timeline.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-last-mammoths-died-out-just-3600-years-ago-but-th-5896262

The last mammoths died out just 3600 years ago...but they should have survived


https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_velikovsky.htm

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Thank you for posting about Dr. Immanuel Velikovsky!
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Dr Immanuel VelIkovsky was a well known and respected scholar. he among a few others were integral in establishinges some fundamental blocks of the Hebrew University in Israel.he was asked to be the first president of the Hebrew university in Israel but he declined
so the was no "crack pot",he was part of the intelligentsia of his time. this is the reason he was so vehemently attacked when his theories disproved established ideas in many different disciplines, not the least Einstein's relativity and newton's law of gravity.

his theories have continued to be proven ,his prediction in cosmology have been verified by the space probes launched. his book, Worlds in Collision was published in 1950 years before any space probes had been launched.yet the establishment or as he called them the "Guardians of Dogma" still slander his name and discoveries.
I bring his history up now because the concept of fake new has been existence and used by the establishment for 100's of years,if not 1000's of years.

Einstein was a personal friend of velikovsky and when Einstein died he was rereading velikovsky's "Worlds in Collision".
Einstein's main problem with velikovsky's theory of the planetary collisions was that gravity is the force that dictates the motions of the planets. Einstein mused that if the planets had collided then the mechanic forces involved in these interactions would have destroyed the planets.

velikovsky countered that the forces that rule the phenomenal world are not gravitation nor are they the forces of Einstein's general theory of relativity.
he serif the universe is electrical just as tesla had taught .
therefore the electrical fields of the planets caused the catastrophic affects but the planets did not have to have physically touched.
recently the space probes voyager1 and voyager 2 have reached the edge of the solar system and these probe found the solar system is surrounded by "a wall of fire"
more correctly a plasma field which marks the beginning of the inter galactic magnetic field.
http://beforeitsnews.com/paranormal/2019/11/clif-high-there-is-a-literal-firewall-at-the-edge-of-the-solar-system-latest-2545636.html

Clif High: There Is a Literal Firewall at the Edge of the Solar System - Latest
http://youtu.be/AKQrmTZEQ6c

the video is about an hour but the most important information is in the first 25 minutes or so.

what is so monumental is that because there is inter galactic electro-magnetic field, it means that all the scientific theories of gravity, general relativity as well as all the laws of electromagnetism are wrong and illusionary.
the sun does not power the solar system but rather the electromagnetic interaction with the intergalactic electromagnetic field is what powers the solar system. this means that atom are illusionary, they are not real but rather they are manifestations of the intergalactic electromagnetic field. this conclusion is also reached through quantum theory... that atoms are illusionary but even quantum theory is wrong because the complex mathematical formulations used in quantum theory are meaningless .

so this proves that velikovsky was correct and that the objections of Einstein to velikovsky's theory are wrong as are Einstein's own theory of general relativity .

this also validates tesla's theories. tesla had long said the universe is made up of frequencies as it was proved to be.

this scientific reality also means that electric can be draw off the intergalactic field without the need for generators on earth...this is just as tesla had claimed.

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