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Lei_Kuei
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posted May 23, 2015 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Ireland has become the first country in the world to bring in same-sex marriage by a popular vote.

The official result was declared at Dublin Castle shortly before 7pm this evening.



http://www.rte.ie/news/vote2015/2015/0523/703205-referendum-byelection/

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posted May 23, 2015 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good news indeed and speaks well of the Irish.

By interesting coincidence I was shown this vid today of an American fundie trying to wrap his mind around how secular Scandinavia is and even when he goes to the church he finds they're reasonable people rather than what plagues the United States:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuDqEGlKOus

Maybe he'll travel to Ireland next hoping to regain his morale...

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posted May 24, 2015 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome day! Hopefully some of the other European nations will follow suit.

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posted May 24, 2015 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kudos to Ireland. Hopefully this will inspire other Countries.

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posted May 25, 2015 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe all should have the equal right to misery.

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posted May 26, 2015 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I believe all should have the equal right to misery.


Some of us are happily married.

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posted May 26, 2015 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some are, but the overwhelming majority are not or will not be. Over half will end in divorce, while a large percentage of the other half just stay married for the kids or for financial reasons. The "staying together for 40 years" generation is no more. Marriage is big business. So is divorce. They are two relatively large drivers of the economy, so if gays want to now become a part of that nightmare and all that it entails (divorce, alimony, custody disputes, etc.) more power to them. Welcome to the "happily ever after" facade and the inevitable misery that is to come. Rant over. Can you tell I'm no fan of marriage?

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posted May 27, 2015 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 27, 2015 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nah. Not at all. I just live vicariously through others to avoid making the same mistakes they do. And I look at the stats.

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posted May 27, 2015 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Some are, but the overwhelming majority are not or will not be. Over half will end in divorce, while a large percentage of the other half just stay married for the kids or for financial reasons. The "staying together for 40 years" generation is no more. Marriage is big business. So is divorce. They are two relatively large drivers of the economy, so if gays want to now become a part of that nightmare and all that it entails (divorce, alimony, custody disputes, etc.) more power to them. Welcome to the "happily ever after" facade and the inevitable misery that is to come. Rant over. Can you tell I'm no fan of marriage?


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posted May 27, 2015 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Nah. Not at all. I just live vicariously through others to avoid making the same mistakes they do. And I look at the stats.

Yikes lol. Time to live for yourself

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posted May 27, 2015 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I do live for myself...without the misery many others face.

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posted May 27, 2015 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In Canada, common-in-law couples have the same rights as marrieds. Some are happy unions.

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posted May 29, 2015 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarsSaturnDelight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Nah. Not at all. I just live vicariously through others to avoid making the same mistakes they do. And I look at the stats.

Stats mean sh*t, any educated person knows this. Additionally, not everyone shares the same environmental factors and social circles; therefore, your piggybacking people's lives is very limited in terms of wisdom gained.

I agree regarding marriage is not for everyone and that's what makes the world go round. Marriages can break up for what ever reason because humans tend to change as they experience life. However, we should live for the moment (respectfully) and be allowed to make our own mistakes; ultimately, those mistakes are the ones that make us.

In my case, I love marriage, I just don't like weddings. I think it's good that homosexual people are gaining the right to be married.

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posted May 30, 2015 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stats show half end in divorce, no matter what the environmental factors or social circles. That is consistent. Would you drink or eat something that kills half of the people who consume it?

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posted May 30, 2015 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Stats show half end in divorce, no matter what the environmental factors or social circles. That is consistent. Would you drink or eat something that kills half of the people who consume it?



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posted May 31, 2015 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarsSaturnDelight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Randall:
Would you drink or eat something that kills half of the people who consume it? [/QUOTE

Getting married is not a 50/50 life death situation. Poor analogy. You need to use common sense when applying statistical information, even if it's sound.

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posted May 31, 2015 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarsSaturnDelight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Stats show half end in divorce, no matter what the environmental factors or social circles.

No. Environmental factors and such are important when looking at statistics like these. You need to know the background of the marriages to make an informed decision; it's all about context which greatly affects the interpretation of the data. No consistency there, I'm afraid.

One individuals decision to end a marriage or stay married will be totally different to the next person, this is down to their own circumstances. They could have been forced into marriage or have chosen marriage to hide their true sexuality; neither of these are real reasons to get married and are destined to fail, therefore skewing the data. These are things you need to consider.

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posted May 31, 2015 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And you need to look at the factors of those who are totally smitten and completely in love with one another that end in divorce. By your (il)logic, they would stay together happily ever after. As a man in a society that greatly favors women in divorce proceedings, divorce may not be indicative of death, but it very often leads to financial ruin.

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Marriage is a contract. Like any other partnership or joint venture, only a fool would enter such a contract without details of its dissolution and how a breach is determined and its associated repercussions and ramifications. Love creates such fools. Clearly, you like marriage, and you are certainly entitled to. Allow me my entitlement to feel quite the opposite.

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posted May 31, 2015 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarsSaturnDelight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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And you need to look at the factors of those who are totally smitten and completely in love with one another that end in divorce. By your (il)logic, they would stay together happily ever after. As a man in a society that greatly favors women in divorce proceedings, divorce may not be indicative of death, but it very often leads to financial ruin.

That's right, it swings both ways. I never said it didn't (re-read my posts). Nice try with the '(il)logic'. Again, re-read my posts: humans change as time passes, and we are allowed to re-evaluate our current situations, but that doesn't mean we can't live for the now, that would be stupid.

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posted May 31, 2015 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarsSaturnDelight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Marriage is a contract. Like any other partnership or joint venture, only a fool would enter such a contract without details of its dissolution and how a breach is determined and its associated repercussions and ramifications. Love creates such fools. Clearly, you like marriage, and you are certainly entitled to. Allow me my entitlement to feel quite the opposite.

As I said, difference is what makes the world go round and I wouldn't change it for the world. However, are you calling all married folk fools? Sounds foolish to me.

Why didn't you just to say from the start that it's not your thing? Without all the stats rubbish and living off other people's experiences, which made me question your rational. As such, I wouldn't have bothered responding

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It's quite rational to learn from the follies of others. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. It is also rational to apply statistical analysis to that learning process. Love, on the other hand, is the epitome of irrational. It's great. But it should never become a deciding factor in a contract. The world would be in chaos if every contract were based on such unwritten precepts. And I'm not calling all married folk fools, but those without a prenup are certainly foolish, and such behavior is particularly foolhardy for males, amid a court system that so severely disadvantages them upon dissolution of said contract.

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posted May 31, 2015 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarsSaturnDelight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It's quite rational to learn from the follies of others. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. It is also rational to apply statistical analysis to that learning process. Love, on the other hand, is the epitome of irrational. It's great. But it should never become a deciding factor in a contract. The world would be in chaos if every contract were based on such unwritten precepts. And I'm not calling all married folk fools, but those without a prenup are certainly foolish, and such behavior is particularly foolhardy for males, amid a court system that so severely disadvantages them upon dissolution of said contract.

It is good practice to learn from others; but, in this instance you are limited in what you can gain second hand. If you work in legal, you would see a similar trend in divorce matters, as they are all localised with a similar theme. Therefore, you are only seeing a small part of the bigger picture. You should now this.

Statistics have their applications; however, they fall short on this occasion (for reasons I have previously mentioned), again, you should know this.

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