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PixieJane
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posted October 29, 2013 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24653643

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In 1996, a black teenager protected a white man from an angry mob who thought he supported the racist Ku Klux Klan. It was an act of extraordinary courage and kindness - and is still inspiring people today

Did it change him? Maybe, maybe not, but it's likely she changed his son at least:

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Thomas has never heard from the man she saved, but she did once meet a member of his family. Months later, someone came up to her in a coffee shop and said thanks. "What for?" she asked. "That was my dad," the young man replied.

For Thomas, the fact that the man had a son gave her actions even greater significance - she had potentially prevented further violence.

"For the most part, people who hurt... they come from hurt. It is a cycle. Let's say they had killed him or hurt him really bad. How does the son feel? Does he carry on the violence?"


She's inspired others, too.

And it reminds me of a guy who told me he had unquestionably accepted the values of his super right wing racist family without thinking...and he treated racial minorities poorly (not that he was with the Klan or anything), including a black man he worked with and laughed at with his white friends (IIRC, this was the 1970s). And then one day there was an explosion due to dangerous chemicals at the plant where they worked. He was knocked down and almost over the edge several stories up and hanging on for dear life unable to hold on much longer. His white friends fled to save themselves but the black man he was rude to (and downright mean behind his back) ran toward him and pulled him back up and then they ran out together, the last out of the plant.

That utterly changed the person he was, and perhaps driven by guilt he became an active opponent to racism and though he kept many of his other values he even drifted from those with time as he rethought them and now stands against bigotry in all its forms.

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posted October 30, 2013 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted November 06, 2013 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peace bump.

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posted May 01, 2016 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I LOVE both of those stories!! Yesssss! This is what being a Quality person is all about!

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posted May 01, 2016 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love these stories too. If all of us were like these two, the World would indeed be a much better place.

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posted May 03, 2016 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I love these stories too. If all of us were like these two, the World would indeed be a much better place.

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posted May 04, 2016 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I LOVE both of those stories!! Yesssss! This is what being a Quality person is all about!

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posted May 07, 2016 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought I'd add this. I thought it was a shame that this vanished from the net for awhile, but now it's back:
http://www.facebook.com/notes/truth_is_scary/a-lesson-in-karma-robert-anton -wilson/222881601113011/

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Then, returning from school one afternoon, Luna was beaten and robbed by a gang of black kids. She was weeping and badly frightened when she arrived home, and her Father was shaken by the unfairness of it happening to her, such a gentle, ethereal child. In the midst of consoling her, the Father wandered emotionally and began denouncing the idea of Karma. Luna was beaten, he said, not for her sins, but for the sins of several centuries of slavers and racists, most of whom had never themselves suffered for those sins. “Karma is a blind machine,” he said. “The effects of evil go on and on but they don’t necessarily come back on those who start the evil.” Then Father got back on the track and said some more relevant and consoling things.

The next day Luna was her usual sunny and cheerful self, just like the Light in her paintings. “I’m glad you’re feeling better,” the Father said finally.

“I stopped the wheel of Karma,” she said. “All the bad energy is with the kids who beat me up. I’m not holding any of it.”

And she wasn’t. The bad energy had entirely passed by, and there was no anger or fear in her. I never saw her show any hostility to blacks after the beating, any more than before.

The Father fell in love with her all over again. And he understood what the metaphor of the wheel of Karma really symbolizes and what it means to stop the wheel.

Karma, in the original Buddhist scriptures, is a blind machine; in fact, it is functionally identical with the scientific concept of natural law. Sentimental ethical ideas about justice being built into the machine, so that those who do evil in one life are punished for it in another life, were added later by theologians reasoning from their own moralistic prejudices. Buddha simply indicated that all the cruelties and injustices of the past are still active: their effects are always being felt. Similarly, he explained, all the good of the past, all the kindness and patience and love of decent people is also still being felt.

Since most humans are still controlled by fairly robotic reflexes, the bad energy of the past far outweighs the good, and the tendency of the wheel is to keep moving in the same terrible direction, violence breeding more violence, hatred breeding more hatred, war breeding more war. The only way to “stop the wheel” is to stop it inside yourself, by giving up bad energy and concentrating on the positive. This is by no means easy, but once you understand what Gurdjieff called “the horror of our situation,” you have no choice but to try, and to keep on trying.

And Luna, at 13, understood this far better than I did, at 43, with all my erudition and philosophy… I still regarded her absolute vegetarianism and pacifism as sentimentality.


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posted May 08, 2016 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted May 09, 2016 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good words.

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posted May 10, 2016 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stopping the wheel sounds like something we all should do.

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posted June 28, 2016 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump for Newflakes.

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posted May 14, 2018 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 28, 2018 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 22, 2018 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We need this now more than ever.

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posted July 08, 2018 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 20, 2018 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I thought I'd add this. I thought it was a shame that this vanished from the net for awhile, but now it's back:
http://www.facebook.com/notes/truth_is_scary/a-lesson-in-karma-robert-anton -wilson/222881601113011/

[QUOTE]Then, returning from school one afternoon, Luna was beaten and robbed by a gang of black kids. She was weeping and badly frightened when she arrived home, and her Father was shaken by the unfairness of it happening to her, such a gentle, ethereal child. In the midst of consoling her, the Father wandered emotionally and began denouncing the idea of Karma. Luna was beaten, he said, not for her sins, but for the sins of several centuries of slavers and racists, most of whom had never themselves suffered for those sins. “Karma is a blind machine,” he said. “The effects of evil go on and on but they don’t necessarily come back on those who start the evil.” Then Father got back on the track and said some more relevant and consoling things.

The next day Luna was her usual sunny and cheerful self, just like the Light in her paintings. “I’m glad you’re feeling better,” the Father said finally.

“I stopped the wheel of Karma,” she said. “All the bad energy is with the kids who beat me up. I’m not holding any of it.”

And she wasn’t. The bad energy had entirely passed by, and there was no anger or fear in her. I never saw her show any hostility to blacks after the beating, any more than before.

The Father fell in love with her all over again. And he understood what the metaphor of the wheel of Karma really symbolizes and what it means to stop the wheel.

Karma, in the original Buddhist scriptures, is a blind machine; in fact, it is functionally identical with the scientific concept of natural law. Sentimental ethical ideas about justice being built into the machine, so that those who do evil in one life are punished for it in another life, were added later by theologians reasoning from their own moralistic prejudices. Buddha simply indicated that all the cruelties and injustices of the past are still active: their effects are always being felt. Similarly, he explained, all the good of the past, all the kindness and patience and love of decent people is also still being felt.

Since most humans are still controlled by fairly robotic reflexes, the bad energy of the past far outweighs the good, and the tendency of the wheel is to keep moving in the same terrible direction, violence breeding more violence, hatred breeding more hatred, war breeding more war. The only way to “stop the wheel” is to stop it inside yourself, by giving up bad energy and concentrating on the positive. This is by no means easy, but once you understand what Gurdjieff called “the horror of our situation,” you have no choice but to try, and to keep on trying.

And Luna, at 13, understood this far better than I did, at 43, with all my erudition and philosophy… I still regarded her absolute vegetarianism and pacifism as sentimentality.


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posted August 22, 2018 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a short, positive story of a man who removed a swastika tat he got in prison after he was shown kindness and positivity instead of hate and contempt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njXZUH5hv0w

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posted August 23, 2018 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
This is a short, positive story of a man who removed a swastika tat he got in prison after he was shown kindness and positivity instead of hate and contempt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njXZUH5hv0w

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