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Ceridwen
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posted September 15, 2015 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leeloo,

you mentioned those in the other thread and I did not want to derail this one too much, but I had noticed something in relation to the nodes in my composite.

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There is this sort-of-conjunction of Moon and Venus in Capricorn in the 12th house.
Usually I`d not pay that much attention with something having such a large orb (it might be valid, but just barely so), however in this particular instance, I can`t help but notice

the midpoint of this conjunction is
19°27 Capricorn, and both planets have a widish square to the nodal axis.

4.45 orb for Venus
2°07 orb for Moon
(so I think Moon is definitely in the range).


This would be a nodal square, moving from the NN to the SN, do I understand it right?


At the same time however I ALSO saw, that the ruler of the SN, Mars, is on the NN!
Almost like the past becomes the task for the future???

Of course that means that this Mars however is also square Moon (and a very close one at that).

To make matters now even a little more complicated, the ruler of the NN is Venus, and Venus is (conjunct Moon) and on its way back to the SN?

Makes me feel a little dizzy thinking about it. lol

Just wanted to share this with you and ask if you have any ideas about that.

My idea, trying to look at it like an astrologer, , is that something from the past has to be set right, which is why the SN ruler is conjunct the NN, he becomes, once again, part of the path. (seems we did not do too well with the Martianness before).

At the same time however Moon, and Venus are on their way revisiting the issues surrounding the SN (probably something about communication and philosophies I guess), and they have too, it`s their job and they better do a good job at this cause they end up at the point where the tension but also the potential of fusion or balance of the nodal axis is the greatest.
This is also their task, to revisit the past, because the ruler of the NOrth Node is part of the skipped step.
But they cannot get stuck there but have to move beyond that back into the direction of the NOrth Node again (maybe a task that cannot even be resolved in one life alone. lol)


Another thing I find interesting is that Mars is ruled by Venus, while Venus is in the exaltation of Mars.


Anyway, what are your ideas about a constellation like this?


EDIT:

oh btw

SN (and CHARIKLO) conjuncts MY natal Chiron 0°44/ 1°44
(and my PHOINIX 0°44)


NN conjuncts HIS Pluto 0°37
(and ANTEROS 1°35)

NN also conjuncts my
DNA 0°26
MUSA 1°12
SAPPHO 1°21


Venus
opposes my Saturn (0°56)
opposes his NESSUS (2°01)


Moon
opposes my EROS 1°53
conjuncts my LINK 2°52

conjuncts his Venus 3°01
conjuncts his LINK 2°46


And as I just noticed,
c-Moon 22°52 Capricorn
c- PHOINIX 22°44 Capricorn

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LeeLoo2014
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posted September 15, 2015 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, indeed, there is another SN movement here. And it's interesting to see the Moon squaring the lunar nodes. It's an indication about daily rhythms of life but also about the very meaning of the lunar node. Interesting to see another intercepted ruler doing this, and of the 6th house no less - a house of the daily life. There is also a movement here from a social, expansive part of the chart, the 9th house, towards the familiar, immediate environment: getting intimate and present in the everyday, I see as challenge, with 3rd and 6th.

I think this composite movement from NN to SN points to the fact that the relationship, the meeting, is first and foremost about the two protagonists finding themselves by means of the connection. We can probably say that a composite with SN/NN movement means two people who have already found themselves BEFORE the meeting, the relationship, they unite these already complete individualities and they can focus on bringing themselves out there. But a couple with a movement from NN to SN probably incorporates a lot of "finding myself through the other", healing wounds from the past with this relationship, revisiting the self and finding the "lost marbles" ( I am thinking Peter Pan, Hook, here). At least the first part of their journey together must be about this. It could be something similar to finding a lost paradise, of one's true nature with the help of another. Such a couple may be tempted to jump together and do lots of things in the outer world, be active out there, but their true lesson and challenge here is what I describe: an inner, intimate journey in a duo.
In the case of your composite, I see only half of the journey happening with this Crab walk (and we do see this movement backwards of the crab, emphasized with Cancer lunar symbolism here), but then the Mars (SN) and Pluto (MC) conjunction on the NN brings this couple as a power couple in the world, once and if the challenge is successful, which is quite fit for an Uranus MC couple.

I suppose the natal superpositions in these points are giving clues as to what kind of wounds are healed and what kinds of marbles are supposed to be recovered for each person

EDIT: not intercepted though.
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posted September 15, 2015 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course, this is apart from the karmic connotation of the SN, which may involve some past life story.
Karma may be strong here with the 12th house placement of the Moon, but if we leave karma aside, we can also see there is a challenge of daily manifestation here; the Moon is coming from a secret, dream world - the 12th house.

EDIT: I deliberately ignored Venus, to focus on the lunar connection, but also to think about Venus added energy more. I see this as a nice, interesting and very meaningful composite; coming back with Venus...

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posted September 15, 2015 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yes, indeed, there is another SN movement here. And it's interesting to see the Moon squaring the lunar nodes. It's an indication about daily rhythms of life but also about the very meaning of the lunar node. Interesting to see another intercepted ruler doing this, and of the 6th house no less - a house of the daily life. There is also a movement here from a social, expansive part of the chart, the 9th house, towards the familiar, immediate environment: getting intimate and present in the everyday, I see as challenge, with 3rd and 6th.

I think this composite movement from NN to SN points to the fact that the relationship, the meeting, is first and foremost about the two protagonists finding themselves by means of the connection. We can probably say that a composite with SN/NN movement means two people who have already found themselves BEFORE the meeting, the relationship, they unite these already complete individualities and they can focus on bringing themselves out there. But a couple with a movement from NN to SN probably incorporates a lot of "finding myself through the other", healing wounds from the past with this relationship, revisiting the self and finding the "lost marbles" ( I am thinking Peter Pan, Hook, here). At least the first part of their journey together must be about this. It could be something similar to finding a lost paradise, of one's true nature with the help of another. Such a couple may be tempted to jump together and do lots of things in the outer world, be active out there, but their true lesson and challenge here is what I describe: an inner, intimate journey in a duo.
In the case of your composite, I see only half of the journey happening with this Crab walk (and we do see this movement backwards of the crab, emphasized with Cancer lunar symbolism here), but then the Mars (SN) and Pluto (MC) conjunction on the NN brings this couple as a power couple in the world, once and if the challenge is successful, which is quite fit for an Uranus MC couple.

I suppose the natal superpositions in these points are giving clues as to what kind of wounds are healed and what kinds of marbles are supposed to be recovered for each person

EDIT: not intercepted though.


How do you determine if the movement is from northnode to southnode or vice versa? With my husband it seems our journey started from southnode and now is evolving and is around the 7th house heading towards the northnode..

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posted September 15, 2015 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We've got KARMA at the Midpoint of our NODES. And, I forget, but also CHESHIRECAT, which, if you know the story is just a little too close to 'a-HA!' for comfort.

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posted September 15, 2015 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
H, that, I believe is determined by how the NODES actually move -- if they were retrograding (as usual) or went direct soon after. If they were stationed.

For example, my CHIRON is retrograde, so it was moving towards my SNODE, which is the opposite of the conventional wisdom of the skipped step. In my case, I've got to go back to be able to finally move forward.

I can only guess it's a similar thing with the composite NODES, and their direction -- as well as the direction of the 'skipped step'.

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posted September 16, 2015 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sooooo, what if the composite NN ruler is conjunct the SN?! *confused*

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posted September 16, 2015 04:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am looking at the Moon/Venus conjunction here and I see the key to opening this chart, at least an important answer to what would happen with this relationship to happen, what would happen in this relationship, as a story?

What is impressive about this composite is the concerted effort on the nodal axis, as if all planets, or many of them, conspire to activate it. We have this amazing nodal Kite flying towards the NN, we have the Mars Pluto conj hugging the NN with SN ruler transposed on NN, but also both MC rulers conj NN; we have MC nearby conj chart ruler Uranus disposited by them, and everything here is public (including Sun DSC ruler and the rest of the 11th planets) as if it's all happening on a stage a very eventful area of this chart, as if the relationship revolves around events.

But then we have this amazing guidance from the Venus/Moon coming from 12th Cap. It brings the Kite down, for readjustment. I think this very intimate, soulful, close, face to face conjunction can perfectly describe a secret, parallel love; maybe a dreamy idealistic dimension (the Kite itself is quite a dream); but what I see here is mostly an absolutely necessary close encounter/merge and as its result, the concerted energy of this conjunction to "touch ground". To bring the relationship into a down to earth, tangible, every day life form. The nodal story abandons the public area and enters this zone of perhaps dissolution of previous structures (being the 12th house) and new sunrise, and why not, maybe the relationship would be a first important one for at least someone, so no wonder the passage is through the 1st house: a first, a new starting point. First base then second base and so on Why touch ground? Moon, 6th ruler is in the 12th and pushes the energy back to the 6th (touch ground); Venus rules the NN but also the NN 9th house, but as an IC ruler, it drags the energy from NN towards SN and IC area. It aspires to the deepest, most intimate and real Taurus IC (she's also perfectly trining it, as if on purpose) passing through one-to-one communication in the 3rd. No wonder Juno is near IC. The conjunction is in Cap (touch ground) disposited by Saturn in Leo (another touch ground with Saturn in the 7th where relationships don't happen unless they have a structured, tangible form); while the protagonists experience a journey of inner transformation and shared intimacy, once incorporating the SN phase they can now change the Kite line and relaunch towards the stage.
I think this is how it can happen; or at least the highest potential here; or the most likely scenario as I see it.
It's also interesting to notice the chart is ruled by a final Jupiter/Mercury opposition in mutual reception, conj Neptune, an interesting touch, and supported by at least MC ruler Pluto if not the entire nodal conjunction and unifying two expansive love houses: 5th and 11th. And chart ruler also hugging the opposition.

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posted September 16, 2015 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's what I would call a connected chart with a story

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posted September 16, 2015 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Leeloo, for this amazing extensive analysis!

I have quite some thoughts about it, and all in agreement. , but need to let it sink for a while before responding.

I just wanted to add that this nodal axis, overlays my 4th house (c-SN and my n Chiron) and his 7th house (c-NN and his n-Pluto).

While I of course consider all the asteroids, too, I think those two - Chiron and Pluto- are the major players connected to the composite nodal axis.


For me this also coincides with a midpoint-picture I find rather illuminating in terms of my Self.

c-NN 20.46 Libra
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Chiron 20.02 Aries:

Uranus/Pluto 20°13 Libra
Moon/Mercury 21°05 Capricorn
Sun/Moon 21°31 Capricorn


I find it just quite interesting that my Sun/Moon-mp is so close to my Uranus/Pluto-mp, but in respect of my recent developmental path I had taken for the last years, and to which that meeting/ connection certainly was a bit of a catalyst/ trigger, it just seems fitting to me to have the "Revolution-mp" on that composite NN. lol

Of course it also confronted me with all that is Chiron in Aries in 4th house; in a way it seems to almost mean that that composite Moon-Venus-conjunction is taking his Plutonic energy to my Chiron-one, and his Pluto is on the NN, I`ve always felt like he pulled me "somewhere", usually straight out of my comfort zone, while I was certainly trying to fight that toes and nails.


Sandbach gives these interpretations for:

Chiron= Sun/Moon
One becomes aware of each and every emotion as it arises, accepts all of them them, sees their value and allows them to be come integrated into one's conscious reality.

One has the ability to bring new aliveness to other people, and to revitalize whatever one comes in contact with. Healing by bringing to light the contents of the subconscious.


Chiron = Moon/Mercury
The development of a rapport with one's own emotional self so that one may clearly receive the tremendous wealth of messages which it offers.

Your energy helps other people to talk about and think about their feelings, and to be more connected to their emotions. You naturally induce a freer and warmer flow of interchange with others.


Chiron= Uranus/Pluto
The overthrowing of deeply entrenched restrictions and limitations. Giving in to one's deepest urges to change.


One's vibration helps others to open up and to be more free, and even eventually to instigate profound changes in one's life.


For him, the c-NN falls onto his Pluto in his 7th house; it is not configured too much with midpoint, however there is


c-NN 20.46 Libra
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Pluto 21.23 Libra:

Mercury/Node 20.23 Libra

The pull between thinking which accommodates a static and seemingly safe connection to the past, and thinking which allows for change and supports one's evolution.

One is strongly impacted by sharing ideas with others, and such experiences can be transforming in the extreme. One may put ideas together in a way that hold one back, and and hence need to “rewire” them in a way that supports one's personal evolution.


Pluto-Chiron is actually a bit of a theme here, too, with

his Pluto/Chiron-mp conjunct c-DESC
my Pluto/Chiron-mp opposite c-Venus

and the c-Pluto/Chiron-mp opposes c-Moon and squares c-Mars.

c-Pluto/Chiron 22°31 Cancer
(Pluto is also quindecile Chiron).

Sandbachs interpretations for this are


Pluto/Chiron
An intense desire to evolve creates situations that cause deep changes to occur. One feels the pressure of spiritual forces attempting to bring light and harmony to situations, and needs to not resist them.

Moon=Pluto/Chiron
To experience feelings of great intensity, which, if given into, can lead to profound healing.


Mars=Pluto/Chiron
Action which has a deeply healing and transformative effect. Extremely intense impulses are felt, and need to be acted on, or else great stress might be the result. Spiritual forces are pushing hard at one to take the initiative to further evolution.

I find it interesting that the near Pluto/chiron-mp falls into the empty 6th house here.


Just been gathering things I noticed here, but interesting how even THAT ties into the nodal axis.

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posted September 16, 2015 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome, Ceri

I think that is a very powerful healing, restoration and transformation theme - Pluto/Chiron; I can totally see the connection with 12th/6th; it's also very interesting to see the natal superpositions, with your 4th and his 7th, parallel to the Venus/IC theme here

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posted September 16, 2015 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You're welcome, Ceri

I think that is a very powerful healing, restoration and transformation theme - Pluto/Chiron; I can totally see the connection with 12th/6th; it's also very interesting to see the natal superpositions, with your 4th and his 7th, parallel to the Venus/IC theme here


Yes, I agree with it, cause I experienced it firsthand.

Also, at the moment my solar arc Neptune is on 21°26 Capricorn, my solar arc NN is on 21°39 Capricorn.

so I guess this is why I noticed this theme now. lol

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