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barbriallen
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posted November 29, 2017 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for barbriallen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I won't go in to detail, but I was taken advantage of by a friend of a friend last Friday. I'm sort of coming to terms with it and am wondering if it can be seen in the synastry chart:

I'm inside. His birth time might not be right, he said it was "around 8". (When we spoke earlier in the evening)

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posted November 29, 2017 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Iridia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry that Weinstein wannabe put his claws on you. They both have tight Mars-Pluto squares, I think I may blacklist this aspect in male charts...

His Mars conjunct your Venus - Mars is very attracted to Venus and willing to act on it. This one went too far. I strongly suspect alcohol or drugs were involved (Pisces). It's important to note your Venus rules the Ascendant which represents the body.

His Pluto square your Venus - when Pluto wants something, he wants it a lot and he doesn't like to ask for permission. Unfortunately, it was you on his radar.

His Neptune square your Sun - he might have seemed way more harmless than he really is.

His Neptune square your Mars - he might have actively tried to weaken your boundaries by encouraging you to drink more, for example.

His Uranus square your Mars - possibly an out of the blue assault.

His Sun square your Chiron (depending on the orb) - he's a source of your suffering.

May I know the orb of his Mars-Jupiter?

Remember that nothing in his chart or your synastry can excuse him. It was his choice. I hope you find peace.

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posted November 29, 2017 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was going to say...I think this is less of a synastrical issue and more him just being a pig. EVERYONE is capable of independent decision making, no matter what the charts dictate. I know plenty of people with hard Mars/Pluto aspects in their charts (men and women alike) who would never commit such a heinous act. I suspect he is a deeply troubled individual by way of his own choices and that won't be fully explained here.

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posted November 30, 2017 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for outofideas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sorry to hear about your experience. His birth time could be about right - your Sun, Mars and Mercury falling into his 8th house - he sees you very sexually, he almost cannot help himself. Also the Saturn alignments in his 8th and your 12th might denote something karmic that is obviously not of good nature.
It would be good if you can post your composite chart as we would be able to see more from it.

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posted November 30, 2017 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not fair to relate a signature to assault, so many would choose to express their frustrations in a more positive manner.

I do however expect to see transits triggering behavioural issues, and I immediately go to Uranus conjunct Saturn-Sun in Aries in your chart, and transiting Neptune conjunct his Mars.

Uranus transits will bring you chaos and unexpected events, in Aries, any pent up anger you have may have been 'acted out' by him upon you.

Neptune conjunct Mars = delusion and the ability to believe any reality, no matter it's relation to another. I'm guessing your Moon conjunct his Venus gave him an unshakeable belief that you were 'into' - reinforced by this Neptune transit. Obviously with both of your Plutos square this point, the sexual outlet became more likely.

I should warn you that when you have Saturn-Sun-Mars in Aries you have a very strong energy, which placed in the 12th you will, at times, be oblivious to. This is a difficult area to have power planets and you will need to really learn meditation and to go deep within, as it can come over in a 'passive aggressive' manner.

Of course I am not excusing abuse and I'm sorry to hear that occurred, it is never acceptable.

As well as meditation, it could be good to learn some martial arts/tai chi type practise, so as to protect your energy and direct it clearly too. The 12th is not easy, but you can become a fantastic psychic and energy worker if you develop it well.

~sending reiki~

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posted November 30, 2017 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Iridia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It's not fair to relate a signature to assault, so many would choose to express their frustrations in a more positive manner.

I do not believe every man who has that square is or will be a rapist, if that's what you're getting at. I think I have the right to consider some things red flags, anyone does. And it's not like one indicator is enough to send me into panic. In my opinion it's wiser to pay attention to someone's behavior first and foremost anyway, no matter the circumstances.


I wish we had a precise TOB for him. I'd rather refrain from doing his overlays without it.

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posted December 16, 2017 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 17, 2017 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stellia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One thing worth looking up is asteroid Philomela - hers is a horrific legend, connected with sexual violence at the hands of someone who was supposed to be looking after her.

The number is 196.

Let's just say that one of my utterly chilling asteroid experiences is spotting this in a synastry. His Philomela is conjunct her Asc - in this case, he was her first love, and they were engaged to marry when he raped her twice.

Goes without saying, the attack changed the victim to the core.

I hope you're OK and getting the support you need at this time x

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posted December 20, 2017 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sexual assault is not necessarily about sex but power I think. Power "over" another.

And usually people who sexually assault others feel inadequate or powerless in some way. So their actions may be to "control" in order to regain that sense of power.

But its always false "power" that goes away leaving them feeling scared and powerless again.

So often increased violence on others occurs as they seek to fill the bottomless cup.

Usually if the person is raging, it could be through raping again or terrorising/targeting vulnerable groups i.e women, children, lgbt people , the elderly or the like.

I see rape as an act of rage. Not being wanted, being neglected, not being loved. The feeling of complete separation from being well received by others.

Neptune/ Mars for targeting the vulnerable. If we add Chiron, it could be someone who may go after those whom he can victimize again and again.

Pluto/Mars is the more egotistical one. The energycan be the type that "takes" because it can and has a brutal way of imposing itself on others.

Mars/Saturn is sexual repression or guilt. Some inadequate feelings attached to sexual expression and a dislike of being challenged and "proving a point".

I am not great at reading the circular chart. Could you post yours and his positions side by side?

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posted December 20, 2017 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Stellia:
One thing worth looking up is asteroid Philomela - hers is a horrific legend, connected with sexual violence at the hands of someone who was supposed to be looking after her.

The number is 196.

Let's just say that one of my utterly chilling asteroid experiences is spotting this in a synastry. His Philomela is conjunct her Asc - in this case, he was her first love, and they were engaged to marry when he raped her twice.

Goes without saying, the attack changed the victim to the core.

I hope you're OK and getting the support you need at this time x


I've been working with a chart of current nightly recurrent violent rape dreams.
I did a composite of the natives natal and the current moment.......pluto square the node and philomeda conjunct ixion to the degree.... ixion brought murder to Olympus.

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posted December 20, 2017 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Todd, where can one contact you for chart readings other than this forum?

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posted December 20, 2017 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for barbriallen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all for the replies, I'm sorry I forgot I made this thread. I really appreciate the insights.

Iridia, everything you said was spot on. Alcohol was definitely involved.

Essentially I was drinking a lot with three of my best friends (we're in college, and they're all guys) and one of their male friends whom I had never met before. Later on in the evening we were hanging out in my room when suddenly my three friends left (laughing) so we could be alone together which was a complete surprise to me and it took me a long time to clue in to what was going on because I had drunk so much by that point. I still can't believe it happened. So in a way I feel more hurt and betrayed by my friends (who said I was flirting with him) but it was still him who didn't ask permission, as you say.

His mars-jupiter orb is seven degrees.

Stellia, that's very interesting. I looked it up and I have Philomela conjunct my ascendant natally (and so conjunct his moon). His Philomela is conjunct my mars. Is that significant?

Here is the composite:

Thanks again for all the responses, it means a lot xx

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posted December 20, 2017 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenaia:
Todd, where can one contact you for chart readings other than this forum?

Rahu@NodeAxis Twitter I use the private message option.

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posted December 20, 2017 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by barbriallen:
Thank you all for the replies, I'm sorry I forgot I made this thread. I really appreciate the insights.

Iridia, everything you said was spot on. Alcohol was definitely involved.

Essentially I was drinking a lot with three of my best friends (we're in college, and they're all guys) and one of their male friends whom I had never met before. Later on in the evening we were hanging out in my room when suddenly my three friends left (laughing) so we could be alone together which was a complete surprise to me and it took me a long time to clue in to what was going on because I had drunk so much by that point. I still can't believe it happened. So in a way I feel more hurt and betrayed by my friends (who said I was flirting with him) but it was still him who didn't ask permission, as you say.

His mars-jupiter orb is seven degrees.

Stellia, that's very interesting. I looked it up and I have Philomela conjunct my ascendant natally (and so conjunct his moon). His Philomela is conjunct my mars. Is that significant?


Thanks again for all the responses, it means a lot xx


where was the assault at....city wise todd

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posted December 22, 2017 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whenever someone mentions sexual assault the first thing that comes to mind is Pluto square Mars.

And look what I saw in this synastry- Pluto square Mars.

The first time I discovered this synastry aspect was when I saw a news story on TV a few years ago about a serious assault that occured many years prior.

I forgot the names of the people involved, but a teenaged girl was hitchhiking and though she was technically alone, back in those days hitchhikers would often gather in small groups. So she was hitchhiking with several other people when an older man in a van stopped and agreed to take her, but ONLY her. He refused to take any of the others even though he had a van. One of the male hitchhikers told her she shouldn't accept the offer because if a guy with a van only wants to take one female passenger he's probably bad news. But she didn't listen to him because she wanted to go home. Long story short. He ended up tying her up by the arms in the back and raping her for over two hours. Then after she kept begging "Please let me go." over and over. He replied "You want me to let you go? I'll let you go then." He then proceeded to take an axe and CHOP HER ARMS OFF. While she was still alive and armless, he threw her out of the van leaving her to die. Miraculously despite her blood-loss she was still conscious and managed to get to the road and scream for help. Some people passed her by because she looked crazy with all the blood and no arms, but luckily some good samaritan stopped and took her directly to the nearest hospital. She survived and was fit with prosthetic arms. The guy was caught. He only spent 8 years in prison for this horrific crime because of some weird law that was in effect at the time in California. Then about a decade later this man raped and killed another woman in Florida. Florida laws were different and he remained in prison for life after that.

At the time I never heard of such a horrific thing in my life, so I immediately looked up their birth charts and the one thing I remember seeing was a DOUBLE WHAMMY tight Pluto square mars between them.

If one person already has a tendency to violence and this aspect comes up in synastry between them and another person, violence is virtually guaranteed to occur. If a person does NOT have this tendency violence will likely not occur however it can still bring out their bad qualities and they can still end up playing power games in less destructive ways.

The man in the story obviously had violent tendencies but even though he had a history of violence against women, this savage attack of the teenager was his most violent and I suspect the reason why he chose her to be the most viscious against was because of this Double Whammy between them. (astrologically speaking that is.)

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posted January 04, 2018 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 04, 2018 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the composite charts ia a poster"child" for a abusive and sexually aggressive hookup.

pluto tis square to mercury and Jupiter so from the start the thoughts were will violence.the south node is conjunct to Jupiter/mercury and square to pluto. this is selfish violence, there is no other way to see it especially as philomeda is square to the Uranus/venus conjunction and the Saturn/pluto midpoint is conjunct the venus/Uranus conjunction, showing violent rape.

I hope barbriallen takes to heart the dangerous position of Philomela in her natal, and learns to not place herself in dubious situations with dubious people.
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posted January 10, 2018 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, todd.

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posted January 23, 2018 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you say then that it was "meant to be" that she and this terrible man ended up in a van together and she was assaulted in such a violent way? This was her destiny?

If not, then I find it more coincidental that of ALL the people in that hitchhiking group, this particular woman chose to get in the van, and they just happened to share a Mars/Pluto DW between them.

Obviously he was looking for a victim, hence why he pulled over to prospect the hitchhiking group in the first place. He was LUCKY this woman chose to get into his van, when they all could have easily said no and he would have driven away without a victim.

I find it hard to believe that in the instance they DIDN'T have this Mars/Pluto DW between them, he would opted NOT to rape/maim her and would have let her go without a fuss. OBVIOUSLY he pulled over to gather his victim, and it just so happened to be this poor woman. He would have raped her regardless of their synastry.

When is synastry taken a little too far to "predict the future" when many things that happen to people are merely circumstantial?

For instance, having a little too much to drink and being taken advantage of by an equally drunken male? Is this not the plight of women around the world to various degrees? Is this not just a circumstantial occurrence or would "better synastry" with someone prevent it from happening in the first place?

I say this because a similar thing happened to me in college. I too was left in a room with one of my friend's older brother's friends and he tried to get all cozy with me, until I wised up and realized what was going on and quickly left the room. Do I go back and analyze our synastry or chalk it up to two drunken people being left alone in a room together?

I share a Mars/Pluto square aspect with a very close male friend, and while we get into hot debates from time to time it would NEVER progress to this level of violence.

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posted January 23, 2018 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Sexual assault is not necessarily about sex but power I think. Power "over" another.

And usually people who sexually assault others feel inadequate or powerless in some way. So their actions may be to "control" in order to regain that sense of power.

But its always false "power" that goes away leaving them feeling scared and powerless again.

So often increased violence on others occurs as they seek to fill the bottomless cup.

Usually if the person is raging, it could be through raping again or terrorising/targeting vulnerable groups i.e women, children, lgbt people , the elderly or the like.

I see rape as an act of rage. Not being wanted, being neglected, not being loved. The feeling of complete separation from being well received by others.

Neptune/ Mars for targeting the vulnerable. If we add Chiron, it could be someone who may go after those whom he can victimize again and again.

Pluto/Mars is the more egotistical one. The energycan be the type that "takes" because it can and has a brutal way of imposing itself on others.

Mars/Saturn is sexual repression or guilt. Some inadequate feelings attached to sexual expression and a dislike of being challenged and "proving a point".

I am not great at reading the circular chart. Could you post yours and his positions side by side?


I looked up the chart of Lawrence Singleton (the man who raped/maimed that girl in California) and if his listed birthday on Wiki is correct, he has Mars/Neptune conjunct, Mars square Saturn and Mars trine Chiron.

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posted January 28, 2018 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by margym0o:
Can you say then that it was "meant to be" that she and this terrible man ended up in a van together and she was assaulted in such a violent way? This was her destiny?

If not, then I find it more coincidental that of ALL the people in that hitchhiking group, this particular woman chose to get in the van, and they just happened to share a Mars/Pluto DW between them.

Obviously he was looking for a victim, hence why he pulled over to prospect the hitchhiking group in the first place. He was LUCKY this woman chose to get into his van, when they all could have easily said no and he would have driven away without a victim.

I find it hard to believe that in the instance they DIDN'T have this Mars/Pluto DW between them, he would opted NOT to rape/maim her and would have let her go without a fuss. OBVIOUSLY he pulled over to gather his victim, and it just so happened to be this poor woman. He would have raped her regardless of their synastry.

When is synastry taken a little too far to "predict the future" when many things that happen to people are merely circumstantial?

For instance, having a little too much to drink and being taken advantage of by an equally drunken male? Is this not the plight of women around the world to various degrees? Is this not just a circumstantial occurrence or would "better synastry" with someone prevent it from happening in the first place?

I say this because a similar thing happened to me in college. I too was left in a room with one of my friend's older brother's friends and he tried to get all cozy with me, until I wised up and realized what was going on and quickly left the room. Do I go back and analyze our synastry or chalk it up to two drunken people being left alone in a room together?

I share a Mars/Pluto square aspect with a very close male friend, and while we get into hot debates from time to time it would NEVER progress to this level of violence.


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