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OneWonderDay
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posted August 29, 2014 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OneWonderDay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello,
Here are the synastry between two people (the person in red has 12:00 as time, because it's unknown)

Who according to the synastry is supposed to be attracted more?

According to another site, here are the list of aspects:

Thank you.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 29, 2014 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did someone fall in love with this synastry? It doesn't look too intense

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posted August 29, 2014 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Did someone fall in love with this synastry? It doesn't look too intense


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Gabby
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posted August 30, 2014 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The synastry activates the inside persons emotional and love houses more than it does the outside person, so the inside person would have felt it deeper and been more affected by the relationship.

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posted August 30, 2014 07:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Merope     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree, the inner person is definitely more affected. The chart itself seems fairly tame but I find with that Saturn/Sun contact the Saturn person may be more invested in either a need to control/guide or even obsess over the Sun person. I find Saturn compulsive not in so much a Plutonian way but in a "I need to be in some sort of control over this person's life goals" way. That's my experience any way :P

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OneWonderDay
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posted August 30, 2014 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OneWonderDay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your replies.
Since I don't know the outer person's birth time, it's not possible to know the house placements.
Anyway,
What about moon conjunct Saturn?

What are exact aspects that make inner person feel more? Is it lust or like?

Maybe nobody's in love, maybe it's just Neptune placements... That's possible?

Hope you have a nice day.

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Gabby
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posted August 30, 2014 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That moon is making a hard aspect to both saturns, that a tough emotionally on the moon person, big struggles with feeling controlled and wanting to get emotional control. The person with his Saturn conjunct the moon will feel a responsibility towards to moon person, but it's in saturn persons house of friends....so even though Saturn is bonded it doesn't mean it's, I need to be bonded with you in love and marriage it's more of in bonded with you as my very good friend I'm always here for you....but maybe not in the way you want me to be.

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posted August 30, 2014 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I'm sorry I just noticed you don't have the outer persons house system, scratch my last response....if you can get it we could tell so much more about the relationship!

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Lotis White
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posted August 30, 2014 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regarding the OP's question. I find it impossible to answer the question of who fell more without accurate birth-times for BOTH people. I'd need to look at the house overlays, and house-ruler synastry, for both in order to judge that. If both have 5th, 7th, and 8th house activations with the other person, sometimes it's impossible to tell. You can only tell that both were attracted. If there is a noticeable difference between partners in terms of how much each person cares, most able to tell this intuitively anyway.

I also feel a little funny about the question itself. If everything is going fine, it's like looking for trouble. I think astrology is always accurate, but that INTERPRETATIONS of astrology can be wrong. A bunch of people are going to have opinions about who cares more based on the personal experiences in synastry, and the own point-of-view, but they may or may not be right.

That being said, I'll look at things from the Pisces person's house synastry because they have an accurate birth time.

Is the Pisces person female? If so this could explain the attraction to a Libra Sun/Mercury.... The Pisces person has Mars in Aquarius, Aquarius traditionally rules the 11th house, the 11th house cusp falls into Libra for the Pisces person. The 11th house works like a secondary Mars for the Pisces person, showing what they are attracted to in Men.

Libra on the 11th house cusp for a women with Mars in Aquarius, means she likes sociable, charming guys, who have something unique about them. Guys with a Libra or Aquarius vibe to them. If the Libra is the guy then he matches her taste in men quite well.

Looking at the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses...

The 5th house (Romantic Sparks and admiration, being 'blown away' by someone)

The 7th house (Affection and liking, having one's soft spot touched)

The 8th house (deep emotional bonding and physical attraction, like being curious about what's going on inside someone and being magnetized by them)

The most obvious connection I see here is that the Libra person's Moon is most likely in the Pisces person's 8th house (even if the birth-time is not exactly right). This means the Pisces person is fascinated with the Libra person and magnetically attracted to them.

The other major connection is the Pisces person's 7th house ruler in Pisces (Venus for a Taurus Dsc) is sextile the Libra person's Capricorn Mars. This indicates that the Pisces person likes the Libra person, feels affectionately towards them, and sees they way the Libra person asserts themselves as fitting what they need in a partner. This connection also indicates a physical attraction.

There's not a significant connection to the Pisces person's 5th house by aspect or overlays, but this could change depending on the Libra person's birth-time. For example the Libra person's Asc could aspect the 5th house ruler for all we know, so it's hard to say.

My overall conclusion is that the Pisces person is attracted to, and feels for, the Libra person based on both synastry, and their house related attraction pattern.

With the Libra person it's hard to say, because we need their birth-time to ascertain their perspective on the Pisces person. The synastry aspects do indicate that the Libra person is at the very least physically attracted to the Pisces person. The Libra person is more likely to pursue the Pisces person because their masculine planets, the Sun and Mars, both aspect the Pisces person's Venus and Moon. Sun in Libra is sextile Sagittarius Moon, and Mars in Capricorn is sextile Pisces Venus. Each by only 1 degree.

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Did someone fall in love with this synastry? It doesn't look too intense


What! When I look at the synastry aspects I see plenty of reason for attraction.

Sun in Libra sextile Moon in Sagittarius 1 deg!!! (Sag Moon person's birth-time is known, so this aspect is pretty accurate)

Venus in Pisces sextile Mars in Capricorn 1 deg!!!

Venus in Scorpio trine Sun in Pisces 1 degree!!!

Jupiter in Scorpio conjunct Venus in Scropio 00 deg!!!

Mercury trine Mercury 3 deg.

Jupiter trine Jupiter 1 deg.

Saturn square Saturn 1 deg.

Neptune and Uranus in Cap Conjunct Mars in Cap each by 1 deg.

Saturn in Sag conjunct Moon in Sag 2 deg.

Saturn in Pisces trine Moon in Cancer 1 deg. (This one depends on the Libra person's birth-time).

Personally, I see plenty of reasons for attraction based on synastry aspects at least. Sextiles actually do work. Soft aspects don't create a lot of drama and fuss, like hard aspects. Rather they have a stimulating flow which promotes relationship stability rather then dramatic ups and downs.

This synastry does have a couple of hard aspects though. Venus conjunct jupiter is a super sweet, happy aspect. Saturn Square Saturn indicates having to work hard to organize practical issues together. And Uranus and Neptune conjunct Mars is volatile and otherworldly. Saturn conjunct Moon means that the Saturn person is able to provide a feeling of security to the Moon, and also that they can be a little rigid towards the Moon at times.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 31, 2014 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lotis, they look more like friendship aspects to me, of course they are very nice, but when the OP said "who fell harder?", I looked for hard aspects


Plus, both people have very strong square/T-square formations to personals planets, I find it hard to believe they can "fall" for soft aspects in the beginning. But who knows?

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posted August 31, 2014 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Lotis, they look more like friendship aspects to me, of course they are very nice, but when the OP said "who fell harder?", I looked for hard aspects


Plus, both people have very strong square/T-square formations to personals planets, I find it hard to believe they can "fall" for soft aspects in the beginning. But who knows?


Hi LeeLoo and everybody,

Well, this couple actually does have a few hard aspects.

Also...

Speaking personally, I can totally be attracted by trines. My 7th house ruler is in Sagittarius, and my 5th house cusp is early Aries. I've noticed that if a planet in Aries trines my Sagittarius 7th house ruler, or my Sagittarius Venus, from my 5th house it can effect me powerfully. My 8th house ruler is the Moon in Cancer, and I've noticed that trines, especially from Scorpio planets, to my Moon feel especially good. My Moon tends to like oppositions from late Capricorn planets as well.

Anyway, I guess my point is that different people respond differently to aspects depending on how their chart is set up. And it can change from planet to planet.

My Mars is my 5th house ruler, it's unaspected in my chart. I really dislike squares to my Mars. I can handle oppositions, but squares feel pretty bad to me with that particular planet. My 7th house ruler Mercury can handle squares, but I much, much, much prefer soft aspects to my Mercury (I'm actually MORE attracted to trines, sextiles and conjunctions, then squares and opps, to Mercury). My 8th house ruler Moon also loves trines the most, then sextiles and opps, and can only handle squares when they are also compensated for by soft aspects to the Moon in synastry.

In synastry I love soft aspects and conjunctions the most. Oppositions after that. I dislike squares the most. Although I acknowledge one or two of them might be good in synastry to spurr me on. This could be because I don't have many squares my own chart. I like a good mixture of aspects in synastry with more soft aspects and conjunctions then hard aspects.

It's a myth that people can only 'fall' for hard aspects in synastry, just like it's a myth that all hard aspects are 'bad'. Some people love them, and others would rather avoid them. The same with soft aspects. Some consider them 'boring', others love their smooth stimulating flow.

I think it's the same with the gender planets. In my case, I like trines or conjunctions to my Venus by someone else's Mars or Sun the MOST. The same with my Mars (also my 5th house ruler), with the exception of the occasional opposition. It's not the same for everybody though. I'm sure there are others out there who love squares and opps in synastry to their gender planets, more then trines. People are different in this way.

Of course most have a mixture of hard and soft aspects in their synastry. But I think it's a bit dangerous in general to assume that someone can't fall in love under Sun sextile Moon, or Venus sextile Mars, because there are people that do.

I think ANY gender planet synastry aspect is valid for attraction. Mars and Venus in any aspect the creates attraction. People only differ in the type of aspect they like.

That's my take anyway.

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mir
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posted August 31, 2014 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my Sun & Venus falling in his 5th
his Sun & Venus falling in my 5th
my Moon falling in his 7th
his Moon falling in my 7th

I'm so completely attracted ^.

And his Moon is his 5th ruler and his Venus his 7th ruler and the very best of all;

His Moon 12 Pisces
My Moon 16 Scorp
His Venus 14 Cap

^ that is an exact and very nice and sweet minor grand trine. Why exact? Because the distance between his Venus and his Moon is the exact same as the distance between his Venus and my Moon. It makes the composite moon at 14 Cap on his Venus also.

I swear.. that's ^ the very best of all in our synastry. Nothing more or less than THIS ^.

It's a pearl for which u have to dive deep.

I'm still diving..


Just an ode to the soft aspects


Please go on with the thread.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted September 01, 2014 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:

Anyway, I guess my point is that different people respond differently to aspects depending on how their chart is set up. And it can change from planet to planet.


Absolutely. My take is the same. People prefer aspects to their personal/gender planets reflecting their own aspects, specifically completing those. You must have soft aspects to your Venus and Moon in your natal.

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OneWonderDay
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posted September 01, 2014 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OneWonderDay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello,
Thank you so much for taking your time to reply.
Yes, the Pisces person is female, but that makes me ask yet another question - how do find secondary planet (venus?) for men?
I'll look what I can do about the time for the libra person

Anyway, I noticed that libra person's venus is in my 12th house - how it would affect rest of the aspects or the relationship in general?

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I'm so cappy
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posted September 01, 2014 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It would be the 8th house for him.

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Lotis White
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posted September 01, 2014 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi OneDayWonder,

If you get the Libra person's birth-time that would help explain his perspective much better.
His Venus is in Scorpio so his 8th house is his Venus house (where ever that is). There are other ways to see attraction though. This is not the only thing.

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posted September 01, 2014 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mir:
my Sun & Venus falling in his 5th
his Sun & Venus falling in my 5th
my Moon falling in his 7th
his Moon falling in my 7th

I'm so completely attracted ^.

And his Moon is his 5th ruler and his Venus his 7th ruler and the very best of all;

His Moon 12 Pisces
My Moon 16 Scorp
His Venus 14 Cap

^ that is an exact and very nice and sweet minor grand trine. Why exact? Because the distance between his Venus and his Moon is the exact same as the distance between his Venus and my Moon. It makes the composite moon at 14 Cap on his Venus also.

I swear.. that's ^ the very best of all in our synastry. Nothing more or less than THIS ^.

It's a pearl for which u have to dive deep.

I'm still diving..


Just an ode to the soft aspects


Please go on with the thread.


Wow, your house overlays are amazing.

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OneWonderDay
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posted September 04, 2014 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OneWonderDay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your replies.

I have just one another question, while I haven't dare to ask him his birth time, how the fact that his venus is in my 12th house affects the relationship? (At least you can see my side of the synastry)

Thank you.

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mir
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posted September 04, 2014 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah thanks Lotis, although I'm not really into houses and all, I really like your astrological Rock-Solid attitude regarding it on this board. So, u do not completely remain unread here

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