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Topic: Whom to choose?
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laviecestchouette
Newflake Posts: 10
From: Vienna, Austria
Registered: Aug 2016
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posted September 11, 2016 03:13 PM
  
Hey guys! Your help needed to choose between 2 guys...
One is easy and comfortable but seems kinda hollow, the other is difficult but intense... Although he is cancerian (the second guy), i haven't experienced his nurturing yet (although i am very after it), only moodiness. Any thoughts on that?Me: 18 Sep 1992, 18:01 Kiev, Ukraine
1st guy 7 June 1990, 14:13 Kiev, Ukraine
2nd guy 20 June 1993 12:00 Kiev Ukraine Me & 1st guy: Synastry:
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 Me & 2nd guy: Synastry:
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Your answer is very appreciated! 
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Lucia23
Knowflake Posts: 531
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posted September 11, 2016 07:56 PM
The astrology isn't important--when you have this question, the answer is ALWAYS "neither"---because if you were into either one of them enough, you would never have to ask this question. Find a guy # 3 where the answer is easy. IP: Logged |
athenaia
Knowflake Posts: 779
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posted September 11, 2016 08:00 PM
Inclined to agree with Lucia here.. although I must say this level of clinical analysis is hilariously apt for a Sun/Mercury/Jupiter in Virgo. You sure the second guy isn't a Sun/Moon in Gemini? IP: Logged |
laviecestchouette
Newflake Posts: 10
From: Vienna, Austria
Registered: Aug 2016
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posted September 11, 2016 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by Lucia23:
The astrology isn't important--when you have this question, the answer is ALWAYS "neither"---because if you were into either one of them enough, you would never have to ask this question. Find a guy # 3 where the answer is easy.
Yes, I could absolutely agree with you, it's just that the situation is not that simple. And I really hope you won't judge me here. I feel utterly dissatisfied emotionally with the first guy (he has no water in his chart and I should have read mr. Arroyo books before getting involved with him 4 years ago. See, I am desperate, please understand me. It's like we became really great friends but I am still alone after all these years, and been taking Zoloft for the last 3 years. The reason occurred to me just recently. And I want to analyse it astrologycally before taking any steps. IP: Logged |
laviecestchouette
Newflake Posts: 10
From: Vienna, Austria
Registered: Aug 2016
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posted September 11, 2016 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by athenaia:
Inclined to agree with Lucia here.. although I must say this level of clinical analysis is hilariously apt for a Sun/Mercury/Jupiter in Virgo. You sure the second guy isn't a Sun/Moon in Gemini?
You get me  Well, that's what his mother told him - born at noon. He is def sensitive and moody, but indeed I haven't witnessed much of caring traits so far, only some cute clinginess. Could this be his natal Moon trine Saturn? IP: Logged |
todd
Knowflake Posts: 1037
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posted September 11, 2016 11:45 PM
Both these composites have very strong Pluto aspects which are very detrimental to a relationship because they are basically very selfish. The first composite shows a mars/pluto/jupiter square. He is only interested in advancing his goals and ambitions. He is not looking for a real relationship. He is only interested in you for how you can help him advance his own interests. IP: Logged |
todd
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posted September 11, 2016 11:55 PM
The second composite shows a tsquare of Saturn/chiron/pluto.this is a extremely demanding, controlling dynamic. Though with Venus conjunct Mars, one would expect a nice emotional relationship, but the nature of the tsquare shows he would incessantly point out your faults as he imagines them.
Neither of these charts show a emotional intimacy based on respect and comprises.
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Jounia
Knowflake Posts: 688
From: United Kingdom
Registered: May 2011
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posted September 12, 2016 05:22 AM
@laviecestchouette, just wanted to say Hi! I'm living with a Ukrainian guy... finding him very demanding  Good luck with your choice <3 IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted September 13, 2016 07:29 AM
Todd, do you EVER see composite charts that have good prospects? 😂😂😂IP: Logged |
laviecestchouette
Newflake Posts: 10
From: Vienna, Austria
Registered: Aug 2016
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posted September 13, 2016 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by todd:
The second composite shows a tsquare of Saturn/chiron/pluto.this is a extremely demanding, controlling dynamic. Though with Venus conjunct Mars, one would expect a nice emotional relationship, but the nature of the tsquare shows he would incessantly point out your faults as he imagines them.
Neither of these charts show a emotional intimacy based on respect and comprises.
Todd
Thanks!!!! That was very insightful!
In your opinion, what are the aspects of emotional intimacy? IP: Logged |
laviecestchouette
Newflake Posts: 10
From: Vienna, Austria
Registered: Aug 2016
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posted September 13, 2016 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by Jounia:
@laviecestchouette, just wanted to say Hi! I'm living with a Ukrainian guy... finding him very demanding Good luck with your choice <3
Hey!!! Hi!!! Sorry, have only experience with Ukrainian guys and cannot compare them with other guys so far
Good luck to you too, and lots of patience IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
Knowflake Posts: 3434
From: love lives forever
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posted September 13, 2016 05:09 PM
The first guy seems hollow because your moons are under aspected... definitely look elsewhere... I mean even without seeing the chart, if you're calling someone easy and comfortable but hollow that isn't a good start for a relationship imo.IP: Logged |
todd
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posted September 13, 2016 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by EmGem:
Todd, do you EVER see composite charts that have good prospects? 😂😂😂
occasionally.
I remember once when I read a composite and I couldn't see anything wrong... It looked perfect for a longterm relationship. turned out she had been married for a number of years and just thought she would see what the chart said. so I can see good relationships. but I don't subscribe to the school of only say good things. this is the greatest fault of humanistic astrologers. keep in mind that 50% of marriages fail... and the percentages of relationships that don't become committed is much higher. I am not trying to grease my palm, I am only giving truthful opinions form a number of years experience todd IP: Logged |
todd
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posted September 13, 2016 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by laviecestchouette:
Thanks!!!! That was very insightful!
In your opinion, what are the aspects of emotional intimacy?
if you mean in general, then sextle,conjunction and trines between mars,sun,venus,jupiter and the moon usually show emotional support and intimacy . of course not all these planets have to be involved. venus is necessary but many other combinations with venus will give intimacy.
unconsiocus planets can add to intimacy but usually they have to be sextiles or trines todd IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted September 14, 2016 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by todd:
occasionally.
I remember once when I read a composite and I couldn't see anything wrong... It looked perfect for a longterm relationship. turned out she had been married for a number of years and just thought she would see what the chart said. so I can see good relationships. but I don't subscribe to the school of only say good things. this is the greatest fault of humanistic astrologers.keep in mind that 50% of marriages fail... and the percentages of relationships that don't become committed is much higher. I am not trying to grease my palm, I am only giving truthful opinions form a number of years experience todd
I don't think I can ever get married again, mine on,y lasted 2.5 years. So are we just all choosing the wrong people? What's going on? Not enough self work?
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todd
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posted September 14, 2016 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by EmGem:
I don't think I can ever get married again, mine on,y lasted 2.5 years. So are we just all choosing the wrong people? What's going on? Not enough self work?
Actually it seems the culture itself is discouraging committed relationships.
So it may not be our failings rather the cultural agenda we face
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EmGem
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posted September 14, 2016 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by todd:
Actually it seems the culture itself is discouraging committed relationships.
So it may not be our failings rather the cultural agenda we face
Todd
How? By being more accepting of polyamory?? it seems so sad to me if commitment is heading that way. But I'm not sure.. Personally I think it's the mass of attachment issues people have and are not working on. They then attract unavailable partners or people that just can't commit - who turn out to have the same issues they do...their mirror. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
Knowflake Posts: 3434
From: love lives forever
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posted September 15, 2016 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by todd:
Actually it seems the culture itself is discouraging committed relationships.
So it may not be our failings rather the cultural agenda we face
Todd
I think it's true that we're being conditioned not to form healthy long term alliances, for a number of reasons, including keeping people operating as isolated entities because there's power in numbers and we're much easIer to control as insecure individuals rather than powerful units and groups. It makes me all the more inclined to commit and have long term friendships, romantic relationships and accountability to the local and global community.. IP: Logged |
mir
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posted September 15, 2016 09:07 AM
^ .. while on the other hand they promote it all over the place, committed relationships; the blessing of marriage, the hype of "twinflames-souls" to keep people absorbed in their own world separately, living in the illusion to have original thoughts while it's all agenda to keep them blind for what's truly going on in the world. Money has to stay where it is and poverty is a thing we've earned UHU.IP: Logged |
DopGang
Knowflake Posts: 2854
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posted September 15, 2016 11:30 AM
Edit: Maybe I shouldn't.  I don't feel like starting a fight. IP: Logged |
cottonball
Newflake Posts: 17
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posted September 15, 2016 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by laviecestchouette:
One is easy and comfortable but seems kinda hollow
His Saturn squares your Venus, give him enough time and the ease and comfort will disappear This guy also has Mars-square-Uranus which is a crazy aspect. It's a lot of energy to take. I live with someone who has it and you're gonna need constant breaks from them. It's too much energy. quote:
Originally posted by laviecestchouette:
the other is difficult but intense... Although he is cancerian (the second guy), i haven't experienced his nurturing yet (although i am very after it), only moodiness. Any thoughts on that?
He's a double Cancer, once you get close the nurturing will pour out. This guy has some heavy Mars aspects natally, but since they don't hard aspect you you may be okay. He may seem like he has a dark cloud surrounding him, and with your Sun-conj-Jupiter I don't know if you could tolerate that in the long run. No synastry is perfect though, follow your instincts  IP: Logged |
todd
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posted September 16, 2016 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by EmGem:
How? By being more accepting of polyamory?? it seems so sad to me if commitment is heading that way. But I'm not sure.. Personally I think it's the mass of attachment issues people have and are not working on. They then attract unavailable partners or people that just can't commit - who turn out to have the same issues they do...their mirror.
there was an interesting trend in the 80's and 90's. women who had raised their daughters to be strong and complete individuals found that there was not a reservoir of like minded males who appreciated the "emancipated modern woman".
it seems the misogynistic power structure, through the media etc had negated the insights in younger males so they were receptive to strong woman. since the 60's and 70's the western cultutre has become more and more sexuall retarded. it is as if the cave men at the top of the corporate ladders are erasing all the awareness of the equality of the sexes. racism is worse now, sexism is worse now, police brutality is worse now than in the 60's and 70's. and greed is at a all time high. there has never been a centralization of economic power in the hands of the few, inall of history as there is today. todd IP: Logged |
todd
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posted September 16, 2016 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
I think it's true that we're being conditioned not to form healthy long term alliances, for a number of reasons, including keeping people operating as isolated entities because there's power in numbers and we're much easIer to control as insecure individuals rather than powerful units and groups. It makes me all the more inclined to commit and have long term friendships, romantic relationships and accountability to the local and global community..
and we're much easIer to control as insecure individuals rather than powerful units and groups. I quite agree with you. this is exactly what the powers that be want.
in addition they want a uniform and pliant work/military force. that is why they want to put women in combat positions. this way if there are a million individuals in the pool, they do not have to consider the differences between men and women's human nature. they want to shed human kind of all sense of morality and create mindless violent automatons.
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