posted March 17, 2021 01:28 PM            

Why does scapegoated-ness keep following us throughout life, and why does it seem that no matter what we do, we can still never escape shame, or blame?

posted March 17, 2021 06:34 PM            

I’m wondering if hard aspects between Moon & Saturn/Uranus/Pluto, or maybe a quincunx (150 degrees), could reflect someone’s potential for being frequently scapegoated?

posted March 18, 2021 06:04 AM            

It's definetely something which is done to us by others. It comes from outside, it doesn't come from us.

I have always been quite a self-contained bod, just going about my business and doing so with purpose, or just for the sake of enjoying the scenery, making a daisy-chain, whatever. For some reason, a lot of people seem to find this extremely challenging. Because of their own insecurities, they can't stand you doing this, and so they follow you around and observe your every move. At my girls' school, I was like The Pied Piper. It didn't matter what I was doing, they seemed to follow me around everywhere in a body and take some perverse fascination in every damn little thing I did. Whether it was eating a sandwich, playing in the music practice-rooms, hell, even going to the toilet, there was inevitably a crowd of anywhere between 1 and 20 people behind me. It was like Britney Spears and paparazzi, I suppose you'd call it harassment nowadays. Even MY OWN mother used to do it to me at home, and literally get "in my face". Before I naturally erupted in rage, and she then ran to my father and told everyone who would listen, that I was a "loony". Although I personally don't set much store by labels, that label's never gone away and if people will try to stop you succeeding in life because you're more talented in some area, or stronger, then they will.

Another bullying tactic is that if you're quite obviously not doing anything wrong, they will try to make it seem like you did no matter what. So if they're given a reasonable explanation and they still won't let it go, even though it has been explained to them 100 times, they will be on your case until you (quite reasonably) lose your temper and give them a piece of your mind. Because they are such fragile, pathetic little creatures, they then run to whoever will listen and scream "So-and-so hit me!" And for whatever weird reason, they are believed.

I don't get it and I will never get it, but in recent years it has been abundantly clear to me that there are still plenty of these adult-children running around, and no more obviously than in certain professions (if you can call them "professions"). This behaviour repeats and repeats itself, and at the end of the day I'm almost minded to say that: *this is just what other people do*. It seems to be my karmic load in life, but how can I get rid of this karmic load? Let it be known that I don't go chasing after this treatment, but it bites even me (who am used to it) in the butt time and time again.

My Dejanira is close to Moon and Descendant, and thereby, more or less square the Nodes. I do get the feeling that this is something that was foisted on me. It doesn't come from Me. 8th House Sun and Chiron along with 10th House Mars and Saturn *perhaps* have something to say...

posted March 18, 2021 12:37 PM            

BTW: Asc is 17'40" Virgo and I have a Grand Cross in my chart as well as prominent placements/ planets in Aries (8th House, Sun, Chiron, Mercury), Gemini (10th House, Mars, Saturn), Virgo (Asc), Pisces (Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Dejanira), Sagittarius (Neptune).

posted March 19, 2021 07:19 AM            

Either way, after nearly 3 decades of not living with my immediate family or seeing them for that long, they still dump their sh it on me.
http://theastrologyplacemembership.com/2011/08/the-family-scapegoat/

posted March 19, 2021 11:46 AM            

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posted March 19, 2021 12:11 PM            

https://imgur.com/6Vfh676

https://i.imgur.com/a48Ojf2.jpg

Lemme know if you can't see anything.

I am just so THROUGH!!

posted March 19, 2021 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by IAmAnOrange:
Go look here:

https://imgur.com/6Vfh676

https://i.imgur.com/a48Ojf2.jpg

Lemme know if you can't see anything.

I am just so THROUGH!!

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I see the charts ... but who is the male?

My guess is the high visibility of your Mars-Saturn conjunction in 10th house might be a factor ... particularly as it is being reinforced by a 15th harmonic aspect from Pluto in Libra/1st.

Each of those planets can be perceived as intimidating by others - but your 'all together now' combination will be seen by others as "in the face" (and thus threatening/menacing).

posted March 20, 2021 01:37 AM            

Moon-Neptune square
Sun-Uranus opposition
Pluto opposition to Sun-Moon midpoint

Interesting mix of Aries Sun in 8th house, “don’t mess with me” charisma, plus Pisces Moon conjunct Dejanira ...

posted March 20, 2021 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by IAmAnOrange:
Neptune in 4th?
8th House placements? (Chiron?)
10th House placements?

Why does scapegoated-ness keep following us throughout life, and why does it seem that no matter what we do, we can still never escape shame, or blame?

Graham, see my post below yours.

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I think it is Aquarius/Uranus/11th house related.

Do you have any of these highlighted in your chart?

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