posted September 07, 2014 08:33 AM            

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Originally posted by LoadedPistil:
Had nothing to do with the question. Planetary hour was Sun. Chart not fit to be judged.

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posted September 07, 2014 09:48 AM            

Ruler of the hour is not a stricture against judgment, it only says if the question was "radical" or not - say if you actually meant it or asked out of boredom.

posted September 07, 2014 07:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
I don't see how this is a yes. You were applying to square Saturn, Mars was further away. It was a no and a clear one, I think.

Ruler of the hour is not a stricture against judgment, it only says if the question was "radical" or not - say if you actually meant it or asked out of boredom.

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posted September 07, 2014 07:56 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Thx for replying LP...can you explain the planetary hour thing causing the chart not fit to be judged? I haven't heard of this stricture before.

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William Lilly explains:1
“All the ancients that have wrote of questions do give warning to the astrologer, that before he deliver judgement he should consider whether the figure is radical and capable of judgement. The question then shall be taken for radical, or fit to be judged, when the lord of the hour at the time of proposing the question, and erecting the figure, and the lord of the ascendant or first house, are of one triplicity, or be one, or of the same nature.”
Lilly then offers a demonstration, using a Mars-ruled hour, to illustrate exactly what he means:
􏰀 Hour-ruler and ascendant are of the same triplicity:
“As for example: let the lord of the hour be Mars, let the sign of Scorpio, Cancer or Pisces ascend, this question is then radical, because Mars is lord of the hour, and of the watery triplicity, or of those signs Cancer, Scorpio or Pisces.”
According to Lilly’s technique, Mars is the principle ruler of the water triplicity both by day and night. With the other triplicities, rulership changes according to whether the chart is diurnal or nocturnal. This agreement only applies when the planet is the appropriate triplicity ruler, (ie, for the fire triplicity: the Sun in a day- time chart, and Jupiter at night.)

posted September 07, 2014 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
But Saturn is not a sig...it should not even matter that I am squaring Saturn..it is not a sig of me, him, or either of our 3rd houses..I don't understand what Saturn has to do with this being a "no"?

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Saturn is a denial of perfection. When you perfect a planet before your intended. Saturn disrupted BOTH significators. That's a "no" x2

posted September 07, 2014 07:59 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Capricorn is in your 3rd house. Even though horary goes by traditional astrology wouldn't you still use Saturn for Capricorn when it rules Aquarius?

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This is not a 3rd house matter.

posted September 07, 2014 08:01 PM            

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Originally posted by LoadedPistil:
This is not a 3rd house matter.

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posted September 07, 2014 08:04 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
"Originally posted by tgem:
But Saturn is not a sig...it should not even matter that I am squaring Saturn..it is not a sig of me, him, or either of our 3rd houses.."

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I understand that, but the avenue shouldn't even be explored.