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iQ
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posted September 28, 2011 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How many of you here are 21+ and do NOT have trading accounts? I should get the response as 5 or 6. If more, then it is very disappointing for these are the best times to have trading accounts.

I track all world markets. FTSE rocked yesterday, DAX roared. SnP jumped and so did KOSPI. Last week they were falling like nine pins. The Global Markets are intricately linked and so is the volatility.

These are all signs of either a mega Bull Run or more likely, a huge depression.

Does everyone lose in a depression?

No. All those who carefully short the index futures make millions in a Depression.

I will give an example from the Indian Markets.

Our heavily manipulated Index is called NIFTY. Yes, manipulated by Wall Street proxies. In Bearish times, if there is the slightest bad news, they can drag it down 5% in a day. If there is great news, they can still drag it down by 3%. And vice versa in Bull Runs.

The Index Futures game allows a low investment play called Options.

If you think NIFTY will crash from 5000 to 4900 for instance, you have to buy the 5000 Put Option [one lot of 50 units], for a price of say 50 bucks each. Total investment is 2500 rupees.

At 4930 it gives you 15 x 50 or 750 profit. Approximately 30% can be made in 2-3 days, sometimes one day if you get the trend right.

Now, if you get the overall trend right prior to a depression and just sit tight, the Index can fall from 5000 to 4500 in one month [with many ups and downs in between].

In which case you will make a clean profit of 50 x 450 or 22,500 rupees. We are talking 900% gains. Imagine rotating 50% of this money for another month or two of bearishness, and then when the trend reverses, into the CALL Option which gives you money on the Index moving upwards.

Even with a few mistakes, it is possible to spot basic trends and make 15-20% returns every month with minimal investment. The trick is minimal investment, if an individual buys too much, that data goes to the biggies and they can wipe out our capital by some deliberate moves against the trend. And we must never buy using loans.

Global Trends:
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Dow Jones will correct to 8000 by March 2012.
Any time it touched 12000 is a great time to enter Put Options for a strike price of 11000 within 12 months. So if Dow falls to 8000 or even lower next year, you will get 3000 x Lot Size. Better than just ranting and railing against Wall Street isn't it? If Dow Falls to 6000 as some pundits think, imagine the gains. 5000 x Lot Size. 500 dollars invested in stages over 2-3 months may give 20000-30000 dollars. Enough to put food on the table during any recession, plus enough to buy 2000 dollars worth of Call Options for 2013 when Dow may rally from a worst case situation (6500?) back to 9000 or so.


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posted September 29, 2011 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow!

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posted September 30, 2011 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You should consider packaging this info into a course and selling it, iQ.

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posted October 01, 2011 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the suggestion!
I am trying to get the complete rules of Option Trading across all exchanges. Plus, this is basic information that I feel everyone should have for free because it gives the masses power to overcome fear of any sort of market crash.

Any advanced formulae for Fibonacci Analysis and Gann Charts, if I simplify satisfactorily, that I can package and sell for a very nominal rate.

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posted October 06, 2011 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi IQ,

Thanks for the info. I read it all even though i was struggling to make much sense even near the beginning. I do not know really anything about the stock markets, but i was meant to go to a seminar about trading, but had to cancel. I think i still will just it feels overwhelming, but most things do when u don't know anyhting or are a beginner. I am currently unemployed, a recent graduate, and have struggled to find employment, and have been thinkin of starting up a business, which will be a long process but i think in my heart this is what i have always wanted to do (be my own boss) Anyway, i have some savings and would be interested in small investments like u said is the best way, what could u advise for a beginner etc, i would love to know the basics, also how exactly do u make the money back, sorry if this sounds stupid, novice ;/

Thanks

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posted October 10, 2011 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.nasdaq.com/options/education_area.stm

Quickly get at least 50 dollars of "Put Options" valid for at least 6 months the moment you see Standard and Poor clear the 1150 mark. If it crosses 1200, add another 50 dollars worth. SnP has to fall to 950 level or even 900 level because of the Eurozone Crisis.

BTW, there is a school of thought that the way we think about Financial Systems will undergo a paradigm shift because of the banking/currency mess after 12th December 2011. Some say 11th Nov 2011 itself.

In any case, we will find and utilize the best financial opportunities in the coming months irrespective of financial situations.

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posted October 12, 2011 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:
http://www.nasdaq.com/options/education_area.stm

Quickly get at least 50 dollars of "Put Options" valid for at least 6 months the moment you see Standard and Poor clear the 1150 mark. If it crosses 1200, add another 50 dollars worth. SnP has to fall to 950 level or even 900 level because of the Eurozone Crisis.

BTW, there is a school of thought that the way we think about Financial Systems will undergo a paradigm shift because of the banking/currency mess after 12th December 2011. Some say 11th Nov 2011 itself.

In any case, we will find and utilize the best financial opportunities in the coming months irrespective of financial situations.


Thanks IQ, i'm from the UK though. How do i do things differently?

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posted October 13, 2011 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,
There are a few issues in Europe. Short Selling is banned till November, and some countries do not allow booking profits in Puts till the expiry. That sucks.
I am not sure about the exact laws of FTSE but I can assure you that mathematically Mr FTSE cannot sustain 5500+ for too long and Herr DAX in Germany cannot sustain 6000+ for too long. All rallies above these levels are a pump to dump on the masses.

I researched a guy with double my financial intelligence quotient plus he has battled the dark Cabal as well. Enter Mr Paul Drockton: http://www.moneyteachers.org/FDIC+Confession.htm

Now this genius is suggesting cheap individual stock puts.

Knowing that UK's primary wealth driver is banking, I would suggest you try to find out how you can buy a lot of Put Options on overvalued non-Rothschild banks. They will be the first to be guillotined. Think Bear Sterns. 100 to 2 bucks in weeks. Anyone who shorted 1000 shares at 100 would have made 98000 pounds profit, and if they chose options, the investment risk would have been about 2000 pounds to make this 98K.

ABN Amro will not crack until a 5th D Extra Terrestrial logs on and punches a "sell all the shares at whatever price" order.

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posted November 03, 2011 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4lifephrases     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQ : I have always admired your astrology information and I am sure you are very good at stocks.

I wish to know so how do I go about doing it.

If I buy Put option on Down.
That basically means I am willing to sell them lot of Down at whatever place I bought it at.Right?

If so, do I need to have actual shares at hand or in my portfolio?

Next when the Index reaches level I want to.i.e. below from where I bought it. I just sell it to the people whom I bought it from. right?

Again do I need to give them any shares or is it all done very automatic by brokers. Is it just theoretically that is happening but not practically?

Thanks for the tip. :-)

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posted November 04, 2011 02:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, this is funny but I just realized why I was driven to your posts after that initial question on abundance that I posted in Sept.
My chart shows that I am good with money (well, I *am* good with money but in saving, not making so much) and I was always interested in becoming a financial analyst but my career was in a completely different area. So, your posts on stock market although incomprehensible to me right now, offers me an incentive to look at it more closely.
Thanks for the links, and please add more for those who wants to get a solid view of the basics first. Thanks!

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posted November 05, 2011 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted January 30, 2012 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*bump*

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I found this on simple search for UK

Free Trading course http://knowledgetoaction.co.uk/learn-to-trade-shares/?gid=gb_goo_psmg2211&gclid=CLLd2I6a5q4CFUsMtAodWA57vg
http://info.moneyweek.com/sharetips.php?bbcam=adwds&bbkid=stocks+and+shares+for+beginners&x=&jtid=13557472&UID=JF+-+Google&jchk=1&nolog=1&jdid=gg706279&gclid=CLXZu4ya5q4CFWIntAodXD s8xQ http://www.share.com/a/find-shares.html
http://www.modernwealthmanagement.co.uk/explore-products/shares?s_kwcid=TC|1026269|%2Bstock%20%2Bshares||S|b|20370005011&gclid=CMOdtoea5q4CFaImtAodOw5Lvw
http://www.thestockmentor.com/?gclid=COGymoWa5q4CFdISfAod7lEtWQ
http://www.plus500.co.uk/?gclid=CKCz-YOa5q4CFQINfAodmHOEwg
online stocks and shares, no fees

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posted March 25, 2012 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*bump for Newflakes*

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posted April 05, 2012 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump for the GU topic.

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posted September 16, 2013 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Checkmate!

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posted September 17, 2013 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FruitTreeFresh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nice post! but you got to make sure you have enough money for margining

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posted September 18, 2013 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Takes money to make money.

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posted September 18, 2013 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ Haha... I won't go into futures contracts margin trading or.. naked short positions lol

No... I'm not going to teach you guys how to leverage yourself 20 times.... aka $1 investment masquerading as $20... and you can double that investment to $40... or lose $20... all of it with $1.

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posted September 19, 2013 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FruitTreeFresh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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^^ Haha... I won't go into futures contracts margin trading or.. naked short positions lol

No... I'm not going to teach you guys how to leverage yourself 20 times.... aka $1 investment masquerading as $20... and you can double that investment to $40... or lose $20... all of it with $1.


Haha don't be stingy..share your skills! Rofl

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posted September 19, 2013 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Haha don't be stingy..share your skills! Rofl


Skills? I have no such skills, but it's a real easy way to over-leverage and go bankrupt very quickly

First you have to set up a margin account at a futures trading broker. They will make you sign a bunch of agreements saying that they will come after you full force if you can't meet margin requirements.

A naked short sale is an agreement that is distinctly American and British and it is illegal where you are. You basically own nothing. You see a stock tanking. You enter into an agreement to sell the stock at the current price but buy the stock at a future lower price. You lock the price in the resale of the stock today, without owning the stock, and are able to purchase the stock at a later date at a lower price, and thus locking in the profit margin today.

The combination of naked shorts and margins basically allows you to own practically nothing but roll the dice and lock in a ton of money today without owning anything. Then tomorrow comes along and you owe somebody $10 million

In America, you walk across the street to bankruptcy court and say: "judge, I have no money, and creditor.. go stuff yourself... have a nice day.."

Where you come from, they lock you, cane you and throw away the key.. then they cane your family... lol

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posted April 02, 2014 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DO Managed Trading Accounts really Work?
They assured me an Interest of 10%-30% per month on forex trading.
And then without my permission they put my account on automated trading software.
Within 4months I LOST a considerable Amount of my small investment.


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posted April 02, 2014 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can anybody tell me about penny stocks...Im way more interested in trading them.

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posted April 03, 2014 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many huge companies started off as penny stocks.

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