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mys-elf13
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posted September 20, 2009 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mys-elf13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
linda dedicated a whole chapter in Star Signs to immortality & much of Gooberz was about it as well.

I feel that our immortality leads to reincarnation. We never die; therefore, we are immortal. The reincarnation comes to play our Spirit takes form in another body.

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posted October 19, 2009 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
some reincarnate, some stay in the same body. we are all immortal, but to stay in the same body facilitates MEMORY and continuity...

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posted December 25, 2010 06:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What Kat said.

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posted December 25, 2010 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The body is not the main factor of being immortal.
It is the memories and the ability to access all our past life identity
patterns and experiences.
Once one overcomes the amnesia during each incarnation, then immortality is.


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posted December 26, 2010 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Birth amnesia sucks!

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posted December 28, 2010 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mys-elf13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A question then. Do any of you think reincarntion can occur without the body? Do we reincarnate to some other energy form?

Reincarnation is a rebirth of soul. Our spirit, whether in human form or not, never ceases.

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posted December 29, 2010 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are Soul exchanges for Karmic reasons; you are still the same physical person with the same thoughts and memories in your brain (the Growing things, as Linda stated), but you can house a different Soul (the Knowing things).

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posted December 30, 2010 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is really interesting Randall, that we don't have the same soul all the time. They say that the eyes are the window of your soul, and my eyes has changed a lot, specially after I read Star Signs and became a vegetarian.

Can we possess more than one soul et the same time, and can two different people possess the same soul at the same time?

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posted December 30, 2010 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RiverDawg47     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall could you expand on that theory for us please? I find it interesting as well...

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posted January 01, 2011 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for coconutcancermoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I need to read Star Signs again. I haven't read it in years, I felt so enlightened after I read it, it's amazing how quickly I forgot everything.

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posted January 01, 2011 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my research, your soul is your soul, there is no exchange.
If there were;
it would be an entirely different soul with an
entirely different set of past lives, identity patterns...it would not be you.
There are exceptions when it comes to the soul's energy, and memory/identity patterns.
That is a very complex and rare thing which I am not going to tell of in full at this time.
It will be in a book I have been researching for over a few decades.
The first exception however does not change the past lives and identity patterns of a persons' soul.
1.If for some exceedingly rare reason, a person's energy is separated from their memory/identity patterns of all past lives/selves they have been, plus most recent incarnation;
if those patterns can be saved;
a new supply of energy can be inserted, and the soul made whole again.
2. If a person is out of body/OBE whilst in the process of physical body death;
the main gist of the soul with all previous past lives' memories and identity patterns,
will leave the physical body and in time reincarnate as a unique individual, minus the part of themselves, containing the most recent incarnation and memories and self identity pattern, which will in time reincarnate as a separate individual.
3.This may be one of the causes of folks trying to find what they see as being a soul twin/twin flame and so forth.
4. the energy which powers our identity patterns, our memories, of our present and past lives, is simply energy, pure energy.
If one could attach this pure non-patterned energy to a program of identity, it would become a self aware individual.
In essence, figure out how to do that, and we would be as gods creating new souls.

Not my intention to say that anyone else is in error concerning the soul.
These are simply my theories based on what I have discovered via conversations with thousands of discarnates during the the previous decades of heavy research into the matter of souls, incarnations, and immortality.

Randall is correct. birth amnesia sucks.


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posted January 01, 2011 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Delos:
This is really interesting Randall, that we don't have the same soul all the time. They say that the eyes are the window of your soul, and my eyes has changed a lot, specially after I read Star Signs and became a vegetarian.

Can we possess more than one soul et the same time, and can two different people possess the same soul at the same time?


Please see my previous post.
I have found no proof of a soul exchange.
A change in ways of thinking?
Yes of course. However such even when a radical change, is not indicative of a new soul.
As to having more than one soul within a body at the same time.
No.
Overlays?
Yes.
Two persons having same soul?
Not actually.
Please note this I previously said:

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2. If a person is out of body/OBE whilst in the process of physical body death;
the main gist of the soul with all previous past lives' memories and identity patterns,
will leave the physical body and in time reincarnate as a unique individual, minus the part of themselves, containing the most recent incarnation and memories and self identity pattern, which will in time reincarnate as a separate individual.
3.This may be one of the causes of folks trying to find what they see as being a soul twin/twin flame and so forth.

I do not purport to have all the answers but via decades of intense research, and present at numerous death watches as folks leave their bodies;
well I have theories.

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Learning is eternal; all true Gods know this simple truth~LEXX
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Religions are the cradles of despotism ~Marquis de Sade
Truth is The Incorruptible Light~Lucy
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posted January 01, 2011 04:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I respectfully disagree. Whether walk-ins (one person has so abused their life to the point of near death that it is decided that an exchange is necessary to make good use of that Life), a pre-determined arrangement at the ideal astrological time (Saturn Seven Cycle, as Linda described in Gooberz), or just the intense grief of a lost loved one magnetizing the person's essence (Soul) back in another living body (only with that other body's Soul's permission), I believe that Souls can actually speed up Karma by going from body to body, increasing experiences without dying and rebirthing. Not to discount your research, LEXX, and certainly nothing is wrong with having differences of opinion. I just lean more with Linda on this issue. But to expand it further, IMHO, I do believe one Soul can have two or more bodies. I call it a Simultaneous Lifetime. Time is an illusion, so my last lifetime could have been in the 25th century, and my next in the 13th century. Whatever time I need to get the map I need (astrological chart). And more rarely, of course, a future lifetime or past lifetime could (keeping it in a linear line of thinking for this moment) be at the same time as another lifetime (where both are alive at once). Two bodies, and one Soul. But can one body have two Souls? I don't think so. But maybe. Who knows? And yes, if you have a different Soul (Saturn Seven Cycle), then LEXX is right--it won't be the former you. Karma gets complex, but one's Higher S-elf keeps score. Just my opinion. Like Linda said, believe what feels right for you. Don't believe everything just because Linda said it's true. The truth could be a mix of the two theories, or neither one at all. Or LEXX could be totally correct. But I just think it is far more complex than we can truly fathom, and is definitely not as simple as we live, we die, we are born again, and we always move in lifetimes in a forward linear direction.

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posted January 01, 2011 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone ever known someone who just completely changes...almost overnight. Oh, they have the same history with you--remember the same experiences you shared--but it's just not the same person.

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posted January 02, 2011 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
Has anyone ever known someone who just completely changes...almost overnight. Oh, they have the same history with you--remember the same experiences you shared--but it's just not the same person.



Thank you for the reply Randall.
I will reply asap to your previous two posts.
I do have a theory for that phenomena mentioned here in quotes.
Sorry, no time to reply in full at the moment.

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posted January 03, 2011 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool.

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posted January 04, 2011 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen it happen more than once.

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posted January 05, 2011 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it may have something to do with Pluto in a chart, not just Saturn.

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posted January 11, 2011 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mys-elf13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall- can you go into the Pluto aspect for me. I'd like to hear what your thoughts are.

I know the changes I've made. I can speak from my own experience and that is exaclty what it is an experience, a feeling, but more than that a knowing. While I can't explain it well with words for words cannot justify the change I went through. I'd say it is the same Soul but with different Knowledge - like the soul went somewhere and came back with something it did not share or have before.

I have pondered what Linda wrote about this subject and the verdict is still out for me. Great food for thought Lexx and Randall

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posted January 12, 2011 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will write more soon.

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posted January 13, 2011 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm still trying to formulate my feelings on Pluto into concrete words. It's more of a feeling at the moment.

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posted January 18, 2011 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mys-elf13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No problem. It is very hard to put some feelings into words when there are no words

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posted January 19, 2011 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm trying to find a way to explain in technical terms what I feel in emotional terms.

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posted January 19, 2011 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mys-elf13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall-

No worries. If the right words ever come let me know.

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posted May 13, 2011 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still formulating.

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