posted April 19, 2014 09:02 AM              

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Have any of you achieved the state of physical Immortality? If so how? For those who are not yet there, what makes you think it is highly possible/impossible to achieve?
And by what means?

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posted July 12, 2014 11:40 PM              

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To himself everyone is immortal; he may know that he is going to die, but he can never know that he is dead. ~Samuel Butler

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posted July 12, 2014 11:43 PM              

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A man does not die of love or his liver or even of old age; he dies of being a man. ~Percival Arland Ussher

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posted July 13, 2014 01:34 PM            

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We all are. We've just forgotten.

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posted July 13, 2014 11:04 PM            

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It can be proven someone is NOT immortal, when they die...but how can anyone ever prove they are immortal? The fathers in Genesis lived a very long time, but ultimately died...?

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posted July 13, 2014 11:06 PM            

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Actually, one's death can be faked. And why would an Immortal want to prove anything?

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posted July 14, 2014 09:02 AM            

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posted July 12, 2014 11:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rajji Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Birth, a beginning.
Life, a Journey.
Death, a destination.

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Immortal life is also a journey, not a destination. We may visit death many times on our way.

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posted July 15, 2014 06:09 AM              

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Originally posted by Randall:
We all are. We've just forgotten.

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But that does not make the least bit of sense, if you are so prone to forgetting and yet boldly step out to acknowledge the fact.How are you going to revive your own memories and how do you think that would suffice to proclaim your immortality?
Any Plans that you have chalked out and would like to share with a few mortals to boost their morale.
Thanks.

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posted July 15, 2014 07:00 AM              

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Originally posted by Catalina:
It can be proven someone is NOT immortal, when they die...but how can anyone ever prove they are immortal? The fathers in Genesis lived a very long time, but ultimately died...?

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What if someone dies a physical death and becomes immortal? How would such an event change your perspective on life?

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posted July 15, 2014 07:54 AM              

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Immortal life is also a journey, not a destination. We may visit death many times on our way.

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I would say.. you can be born twice and die once, or be born once and die twice.
How we approach life's challenges is the harbinger of the type of journey we will have.All we do in life is to travel to the promised land from cradle to the grave.
The recurrent theme in my journey so far has been this- To learn to surrender myself to God.
What about yours?

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posted July 15, 2014 12:49 PM            

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Yes death can be faked. It was much easier when people knew less about vital signs (like when Jesus supposedly died and returned to life - which was hardly verified in any conclusive way).

I would say that if I reach 90 and still have the physique and other attributes of a 30 year old I might begin to believe I had achieved immortality. I don't know of any way it can be proven, so it is as much a matter of faith as believing that Jesus died on the Cross...of course, if you were there at the time and are here discussing it that might be pretty strong evidence...but still not proof.

I know many people who feel immortal and their appearance is age-resistant. However most people start to show their age by the time they hit 60...this watershed age has been getting later as the generations pass so maybe we are all on our way to being immortal...the slow way.

In fact I always get stuck at the "permanently 30" issue...aren't we here to GROW? Is arrested development a good thing? If a 90 year old LOOKS 30 but thinks like someone 3 times that old, aren't they still "aging"?

But I believe our souls are immortal. Whether they come back repeatedly or not is a matter of belief for most of us, not fact that can be proven.

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posted July 17, 2014 10:23 AM            

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Catalina, your answer is of one who believes in immortality and also believes in time. You cannot believe in the reality of both.

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posted July 17, 2014 07:11 PM            

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Maturity is not the same as aging, so someone may be "stuck" looking physically 30, but they are many years more mature than that.

And I wouldn't mind looking 30

I've always wondered too... the immortal soul, mind in new bodies... instead of being "physically" immortal.

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posted July 21, 2014 11:40 AM            

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Time is definitely an illusion...a trick of perception.

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posted July 22, 2014 01:44 PM            

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And the science backs that up.

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posted July 23, 2014 01:31 PM            

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Einstein!

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posted July 24, 2014 04:34 PM            

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Yes Makhlouf true but can you have the wisdom/experience of long long life without the physical imprint? To think so is also to believe mind body and spirit are separate...isn't it? whether real or imagined our life experiences inform and alter us, otherwise what the point?

I am not interested in proof, was trying to answer rajii's question... how do you know you are immortal? By living or by dying?

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posted July 24, 2014 11:11 PM            

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Immortality isn't a destination--it's a journey. Every moment that your life urges are stronger than your death urges, you are immortal. And this is the 17th post, which is the immortality number.

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posted July 25, 2014 01:01 PM            

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That phrase about life and death urges is from Leonard Orr. Who believed physical immortality included lack of ageing. Leonard is getting old now, and he looks his age. I still find his rebirthing work extraordinarily inspiring but he strikes me as someone who is AFRAID of death rather than someone immortal.

As long as the life urges win we are ALIVE, that is not the same as immortal.

I believe that whether we live or die we are immortal. I am not looking for proof or confusing the journey with a destination but I think a lot of people go through amazing contortions trying to prove to themselves that they can escape death. It's an open question for me.

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posted July 26, 2014 09:15 AM            

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Catalina,
When you are older you will realise there is no such thing as maturity! OK we need some experience, but experts say we know everything we need to know by the age of ten.

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posted July 26, 2014 09:36 AM            

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Actually, Linda said it first. And most of the ancient ones look older, probably because they choose to. As long as your life urges continue to outweigh your death urges, you will continue to live, and continuing to live is immortality.

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posted July 26, 2014 12:41 PM            

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In Star Signs? Which was written about 15 years after Orr designed the affirmation? She spread it to a wider audience but I dont think it was her original idea. Just aa she helped astrology go mainstream...but did not invent it!

Or did she put it in an earlier work?

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posted July 26, 2014 01:41 PM            

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Hi Makhlouf, perhaps I am expressing myself badly. I am an immortalist but as I get older I find I have more reservations about it than I did 40 years ago. Perhaps because despite continuing to believe intellectually I am struggling with collective beliefs, and finding thst I do grow older in many ways. I promised 25 years ago that I would live at least to 150 ... in chronological years. That is looking like a longer journey now than it did then!

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posted July 26, 2014 06:16 PM            

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Orr must be ancient! Anywho, Linda didn't use it as an affirmation--just a passing statement. I paraphrased, but I doubt it was the same wording as Orr.

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posted July 26, 2014 08:29 PM            

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He is in his 70 I believe, not so ancient for an immortal. ... The paraphrase you used is pretty close to verbatim . As I remember it. Linda brought a lot of fringe ideas out of the closet but few were hers originally. Her writing, which was how she defined herself, was.

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