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MAKLHOUF
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posted December 05, 2014 07:17 AM
  
Will being immortal make us happy? Heaven is a word for eternal happiness.Not dying is a pretty good reason to be cheerful.------------------
And I will give you the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places
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Randall
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posted December 06, 2014 03:34 PM
It makes me happy.IP: Logged |
Ayelet
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posted December 08, 2014 05:07 PM
I think that if one can have access the spirit world and still be alive then this is a blessing, and being physically immortal means also that. I also believe that the physically immortals lead the most harmonious and happy life that can be lived upon Earth.IP: Logged |
Ayelet
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posted December 26, 2014 03:58 PM
Are there so few immortals, immortals to be and failing immortals (me) to discuss the subject? IP: Logged |
MAKLHOUF
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posted December 27, 2014 12:07 PM
Knowflakes are growing up and losing their faith in magic?------------------
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Randall
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posted December 28, 2014 09:27 AM
The Way is a narrow and winding Path.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted December 29, 2014 02:26 PM
Some grow and gain their faith in Magic.IP: Logged |
Ayelet
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posted January 01, 2015 09:54 PM
Can someone live in heaven when others don't? What do you think? And how do you define heaven upon earth?IP: Logged |
MAKLHOUF
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posted January 08, 2015 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
The Way is a narrow and winding Path.
Hey Randall, you are one of the few people to get that right.
Ayelet, I don't usually ask questions to which I already know the answers, however the question is clearer if you realize that heaven and earth are not "places" in a geographical sense. ------------------
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Randall
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posted January 09, 2015 12:49 PM
Thank you, Mak.IP: Logged |
Ayelet
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posted January 09, 2015 05:55 PM
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Ayelet, I don't usually ask questions to which I already know the answers, however the question is clearer if you realize that heaven and earth are not "places" in a geographical sense. [/B]
I was refering to "heaven upon earth", which means living blissfuly on this planet. I was asking whether one can be content in his\her life without aiding those who suffer on the same plane. I think that if one does not serve his fellow humans and\or animals in some way, one is doomed to suffer as well. Being immortal also means that one has to serve, otherwise one will decay. By saying this I do not mean that mortals are free from service. One cannot live without serving. But being physically immortal does not mean just to enjoy the flesh, or even the spirit. It is a responsibility, as every true knowledge supplies means to serve others. So, if one is selfish then one cannot be immortal or experience joy, heaven upon earth. IP: Logged |
MAKLHOUF
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posted January 14, 2015 02:25 PM
Ayelet.I encounter this argument again and again among spiritual people. True enlightenment comes when you give up thinking you can help another person. Help yourself and another may be helped thereby, That is the most you can do.------------------
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Randall
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posted January 15, 2015 02:07 PM
Agree to disagree.IP: Logged |
Ayelet
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posted January 15, 2015 07:30 PM
One who helps another helps oneself
Try to eat with your hand instead of using it to put food into your mouth.
We are all part of the one.
Of course, by helping someone you don't do for him\her what s\he has to do. IP: Logged |
MAKLHOUF
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posted January 19, 2015 08:20 AM
Ayn Rand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ukJiBZ8_4k ------------------
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Ayelet
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posted January 19, 2015 04:12 PM
Everyone is divine. Everyone is entitled for love. According to christianity, one should love even one's enemies. I believe in that. The idea of compassion for all appears also in buddhism. A mother (ideally) loves her offspring no matter what.
I may love someone, while another may not love that person. Is my love objective? Is there a person who is loved by all, since s\he is worthy of such love, objectively? I think not.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 20, 2015 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by Ayelet:
Everyone is divine. Everyone is entitled for love. According to christianity, one should love even one's enemies. I believe in that. The idea of compassion for all appears also in buddhism. A mother (ideally) loves her offspring no matter what.
I may love someone, while another may not love that person. Is my love objective? Is there a person who is loved by all, since s\he is worthy of such love, objectively? I think not.
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MAKLHOUF
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posted February 02, 2015 08:49 AM
"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."------------------
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Ayelet
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posted February 03, 2015 04:54 PM
So is the road to heaven. Then what? Will you take it literally and be ill-intentioned?IP: Logged |
Ayelet
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posted February 03, 2015 05:09 PM
Or perhaps you think you can have no intentions whatsoever?IP: Logged |
MAKLHOUF
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posted February 04, 2015 11:08 AM
We can descibe hell accurately because that is where we live.
We know less about the layout of heaven, but that is not necessarily paved with good intentions towards anybody but ourselves. For example: I may give a beggar some money to go away and leave me in peace and in doing so I make two people happy, myself and the beggar.If I give the beggar money, with no thought for myself, I have no way of knowing if I made anybody happy: the beggar may be working for a gangmaster and not receive the money.------------------
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Ayelet
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posted February 04, 2015 05:15 PM
Edit.
I disagree with you on the intention's part, but I think the deed is the most important, the final outcome. But the intention also has its weight. It is the inner realm. And at last it manifests.IP: Logged |
Ayelet
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posted February 05, 2015 05:39 PM
I think I was wrong by implying that the deed was more important than the intention. IP: Logged |
MAKLHOUF
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posted March 11, 2015 01:55 AM
I do not want unselfish friends. Friends expect you to be like them and I do not want to disregard myself. I want my friends to be good and selfish, because then, I know they will stay alive and be there when I want them.------------------
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Ayelet
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posted April 15, 2015 09:42 PM
It is a good equilibrium to be surrounded by your own kind, though there are surely exceptions to this "law". I am in the middle; not entirely selfish, not entirely selfless. I am Suspecting I am more the former than the latter, which thing makes me discontented. My friends have good intentions, and none is entirely selfish as much as I can tell. I think the less self-centered a peraon is, the more s/he is a good listener. You may like that, Mak, then you may not. IP: Logged |
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