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Scorpionic Web
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posted October 03, 2008 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scorpionic Web     Edit/Delete Message
It's about time someone made a movie on the absurdity of religion.

I think Bill Maher is great, and I have high hopes for Religulous.

Even if you do believe in a higher power, to create god's image to your own preference (religion) is not only arrogant but it is true blasphemy.

I've long found religion to be dangerously presumptuous, and I'm really excited to see this film.

It opens in theaters today in the U.S.

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Dervish
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posted October 03, 2008 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
While I'm much more inclined to think as Maher does on this subject than many others do, I don't see how religious beliefs are automatically arrogance & blasphemy.

When I last visited my granny, she found out I'd been a runaway when I was 15. (She didn't know I had runaway from home until I was 18--she lived a couple of hundred miles away, home life was chaotic, and Mom kept brushing her off, no doubt scared Granny would report me missing and she'd lose her child support.) Part of that topic got to how she woke up from this nightmare of me choking to death next to her. She woke up and felt it was so real and that I was in danger that she prayed for me. Now there's no way to find the exact day or line it up exactly, but that was right around the time that I came real close to suicide after my best friend was killed until I had a vision of the goddess Freya that inspired me. As granny was talking, I got to wondering, Is her god my goddess? That is, Freya was exactly who I needed, and also fit my life experience. Had my life been different, I might've instead seen Brigid or Mary, Mother of God, or Jesus or Elvis or little grey aliens.

Talking a little more about it, I told her why Freya's Heaven was a lot better than the Christian Heaven (eg, sex). She said something, "It does sound fun."

"You'll visit me, then?" I asked, half-serious (I'm not even sure there's an actual afterlife).

"Oh, I think they're all the same. You'll just see your trappings and I'll see mine, but we'll still know and love each other."

That thought really awed me. Her misspent life among beatniks, nature children, hippies, and others seems to have been well-spent. Her views don't strike me as arrogant. I'm sure plenty of Christians would see her views as blasphemous, but I personally don't.

Still, that said, I'm of the apparently rare opinion that I'd rather a politician NOT be religious. I don't buy that religion makes one moral or honest. It can actually do the opposite, if a person believes God wants certain people harmed or oppressed, etc.

Anyway, I'm thinking of seeing the movie. I'm not sure I can afford it though.

ETA: here's a music video you might like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRmqRS3I2-w

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koiflower
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posted October 04, 2008 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
Scorpionic Web - does being spiritual cut the mustard for you?

I only ask because some people feel strongly against structured religion. Does that feeling encompass the rejection of spirituality?

Just curious as to your opinion

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PeaceAngel
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posted October 04, 2008 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
koi

Brilliant question.

I consider myself to be very spiritual - highly devoted to my beliefs. Yet I strongly dislike all organised religion. However, I have come to respect other people's faiths, whether it has been chosen by them or what I perceive as mindless devotion.

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PeaceAngel
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posted October 04, 2008 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Dervish

I love your story. The best part of human nature and wisdom. How much religion plays is - well, as relevant as irrelevant in that it doesn't take any faith to make you a decent and wise human being but a path taken from any religion can lead to those qualities and understanding. What an exceptional human being.

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Scorpionic Web
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posted October 04, 2008 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scorpionic Web     Edit/Delete Message
Koiflower and others-

I used to be spiritual, but it seemed like a placebo. How much of it was me fooling myself?

I sympathize with spirituality, but spirituality is still only a FEELING. Forget me being a Water Sign, because everyone is under constant sensory bombardment, so it's easy to get persuaded by false stimulation.

I very much feel connected to something greater than myself. But it is less of a faith and more of a rationality that this unimaginably complex and delicate world couldn't possibly be a result of mere coincidence.

Mathematics and Sciences (and Astrology) probably gets us closer to any god than spirituality, and if I felt I had the mental capacity, I'd probably be pursuing those subjects.

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LEXX
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posted October 04, 2008 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
It's about time someone made a movie on the absurdity of religion.

DOGMA was pretty good!
Also George Carlin did a lot of funny videos concerning religion.
Ranting Gryphon is another.
Oddly even Mark Twain wrote some fascinating tongue in cheek stuff about it.
"Don Juan in Hell" a play that was also done as a radio drama ( can still buy a recorded copy)
is by far one of the best concerning the absurdity of religion!

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koiflower
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posted October 04, 2008 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message

How about this??!! People who are Blood Type A are more inclined to spirituality!!!!

I'll be writing more hopefully sometime soon. The only thing is my holiday finishes today, so I will be trying to squeeze the time in to explain!!!!

Have a great day!!

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Dervish
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posted October 04, 2008 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
A former roomie of mine, and a physics major, told me that if I wanted to know God/dess, "learn higher mathematics."

She's not a believer in astrology, though. She has some very odd views about other paranormal subjects. But then, she IS such an Aquarius.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted October 05, 2008 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
"The God above the God of theism is present, although hidden, in every divine-human encounter. Biblical religion as well as Protestant theology are aware of the paradoxical nature of this encounter. They are aware that if God encounters man God is neither object nor subject and is therefore above the scheme into which theism has forced him. They are aware that personalism with respect to God is balanced by a transpersonal presence of the divine... They are aware of the paradoxical character of every prayer, of speaking to somebody to whom you cannot speak because he is not "somebody", of asking somebody of whom you cannot ask anything because he gives of gives not before you ask, of saying "thou" to somebody who is nearer to the I than the I is to itself. Each of these paradoxes drives the religious consciousness toward a God above the God of theism. ...a church which raises itself in its message and its devotion to the God above the God of theism without sacrificing its concrete symbols can mediate a courage which takes doubt and meaninglessness into itself.

Paul Tillich, The Courage To Be

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted October 05, 2008 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
haha, this reads like a friggin Report Card.
So, okay...

My "Report Card" for Bill Maher:

I find Bill Maher primarily smug, glib, and narrow-minded,
although occassionally funny and spot-on in his criticisms.
I believe he has a good heart and is well-intentioned, but,
that arrogance obscures his otherwise exceptional mind.

Bill overlooks a great many things, and,
in his fervor to suggest himself as a freethinker,
practices a very dogmatic brand of skepticism --
which, in its lower manifestations,
is nothing better than simple-minded cynicism,
characterized by willful ignorance
and a flat refusal to consider the evidence against him.

Like all the laziest critics, when attacking religion,
and pointing out its inconsistencies and ironies,
he confines himself to the religion of the opiated masses,
the new age nutjobs, and fundamentalist hacks,
leaving out anything that remotely challenges his position,
and doesnt fit squarely into his conservative,
black-and-white visions of the world.

I don't think these faults would bother me quite so much
if he wasn't so damn satisfied with himself all the time.

Still, I'm sure the movie will be worth a watch.
It's always amusing poking fun at the easiest targets.


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librarising
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posted April 16, 2009 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for librarising     Edit/Delete Message
...The easy targets being people who believe in a transcendent authority.

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Node
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posted April 16, 2009 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the re-mind.
    Maher spent a half hour w/ Ron Howard on his show this week. [also Gore Vidal] and it was mentioned that the prequel to Dan Brown's The Di Vinci Code called Angels and Demons is set for release.
I like Maher, he uses the juxtaposition like a Pilate's workout. He knows his bible too, and goes toe to toe, but in a questioning way. He makes you think about what you believe. His style is not to some taste's
    The Religulous out-takes I have seen have been his 'man on the street' style..talking to people, asking questions, hilarious. I'm sure this will have it's share of profound moments.
He usually swings the cart around and brings it home.

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ghanima81
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posted April 17, 2009 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message
I can't wait to see "Angels & Demons"... I liked the book way better than "The Divinci Code", although both were thought provoking and interesting.

I watched "Behind the Divinci Code" on the History channel this weekend and was fascinated by the history and the myth... I don't know why people made such a fuss about these books, they are very clearly fiction, just based on some similar stories that did occur in a skewed way historically.

The A&D story is probably more blasphemus to modern Catholicism, but the science they incorporate is pretty cool...

Also, quite excited to see Ewen McGreggor on board!

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MyVirgoMask
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posted April 17, 2009 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
My Mommy loved the movie Religulous, she's a huge Maher fan. I always enjoyed his show; he cracks me up. Sometimes it feels like he's trying *too* hard though, don't know. I wasn't raised with religion but was born into it, and it feels fluid to me to have in my life, because I don't feel it's about 'practicing' anything so much as living life. I do think there's an arrogance to saying things are a certain way in religion. I also think there can be arrogance in saying they are NOT either.
I sometimes think it's best to say 'I don't know' with confidence (because it's the truth to an extent), and to simply do your own thing. The only thing I believe in is Mystery (capital M), because we do not know and should never presume that we do. Spirituality is a term which has been tossed around and has too many fruitcake connotations, unfortunately. In and of itself I do not consider it a feeling so much as a way of life that has to do with seeing a broader perspective, or maybe a divine plan which does NOT exclude free will.

Yeah, I'll probably see the movie though.

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