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Padre35
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posted January 09, 2013 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

As I sat through a mid 50's early January day, peddling up a mtn, i was pondering this a bit:

"Is a increase in global temperatures a truly undesirable thing, if so why, if not why"?

Have read countless online discussions about this subject and neither side has my convinced not to the cause per se, rather to the actual effects and whether they will be good or ill.

Anyone have thoughts on this?

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posted January 09, 2013 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A quick response that has me up at night...

is the bears. Due to the later fall, warmer temps which caused droughts and less snow with warmer nights, the are not hibernating when they should.
They are meandering around and one sees them when least expected and they seem starved & ornery!

This causes numerous headaches on the farm and long term adjustments here are required.

Personally, I love the kinder warmer autumns and winters

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posted January 09, 2013 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Well, actually a bear may or may not hibernate an entire winter, if the weather favors it they will leave their dens.

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posted January 10, 2013 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://m.newser.com/story/160711/family-trapped-on-jetty-as-aussie-fires-rage.html

Monday was Austalia's hottest day ever.
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posted January 10, 2013 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Padre, I guess that`s a good general answer but here they snooze nice and comfy in their dens til spring. No January marauding. But then again, warm Januaries are a recent thing. Poor bears

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posted January 10, 2013 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Padre, I guess that`s a good general answer but here they snooze nice and comfy in their dens til spring. No January marauding. But then again, warm Januaries are a recent thing. Poor bears


Not necessarily, keep in mind "recent" in geological time is counted in tens of millions of years.

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posted January 10, 2013 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mockingbird:
http://m.newser.com/story/160711/family-trapped-on-jetty-as-aussie-fires-rage.html

Monday was Austalia's hottest day ever.


Eh, and 5 yrs from now it could be the wettest ever.


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posted January 11, 2013 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some isolated increases in temperature and dcreases in other areas, but globally of no consequence.

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posted January 11, 2013 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Some isolated increases in temperature and decreases in other areas, but globally of no consequence.


A truism, my passion is more about water tbh.

Once a water source is polluted, it takes a tremendous amount of time for the water source to be purified again.

Like the hudson were GE leaked PCB's into the river for decades, literally it is either wait for sediment to bury the polluted layers, or temp dam the rivers and remove the tainted river bottom.

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posted January 12, 2013 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True.

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posted January 14, 2013 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
True.



Thanks, this to me is such an important issue that "Global Warming" hides it.

A good example is the massive aquifer under the Sahara, a previous climate shift caused the Sahara to go from "Lush plain" to desert.

Fine

Pollute that aquifer and it poisons the entire region.

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posted January 19, 2013 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted January 22, 2013 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Posted a new topic about this in GU.

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posted February 28, 2013 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpooL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Global warming is a very tricky topic.

First off the fundamental principal in Geology is the concept of Uniformitarianism.

The concept is the same processes that have shaped the earth are the same process that continue to change the earth. The only difference is the rate of change.

Physical geographers on the other hand study meterology which is all about weather patterns and weather always forms in the Atmosphere.

The problem is when Climatologist do a climate normal its based on 10yrs averages.

Its very easy to get bad statistics.

The geologists could argue that earth had gone thought similar climate cycles in its passed and the same process are at work again.

You can argue for or against.

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posted March 01, 2013 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Garbage in, garbage out...when the computer models fail, as they always have.

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posted March 02, 2013 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, Mars is warming. Must be all of the Martian cars and BBQ grills.

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posted March 03, 2013 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Earths orbit and the Sun's activity are the two main contributors to the natural and cyclical warming and cooling trends.

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