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raj_105_2001
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posted October 12, 2001 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raj_105_2001     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall, I don't remember whether I heard or read this - that PART of our Free will can be seen in our chart.

If there is a planet in the next sign ( or to the OPPOSITE of the next sign), then that is an area, where we would be willing to exercise our free will.

Say I have Saturn in Gemini, then if I have a planet in Cancer or Capricorn, then I would be willing to exercise my free will, against the negative effects of Saturn, for eg, if Saturn is squared or opposed.

Please enlighten me on this.

Knowflakes, please pour in your knowledge and experience too.

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posted October 12, 2001 11:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can and do use my free will and I don't care where my natal planets or the transits are located. However, I like to use the energy of the planets to help me when I can.

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posted October 12, 2001 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's old school. I prefer to think of everything as being the result of Free-will. Vedic astrology probably holds your answer.

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posted October 17, 2001 11:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hhhmmmm...I always thought free will was free will...and that our ability to exercise it was either helped or challenged by the planetary placements...I don't know tho'.

I guess I am like Auriel in the sense I don't worry about it...nor do I look into it unless there is an obsticle.

hhhmmmm...I wonder....


:love and and

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raj_105_2001
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posted October 18, 2001 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raj_105_2001     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I must say that I am not talking about Free Will. I am talking about the Will to use my Free Will. Also, I didn't say whether I *can* use my Free Will or not, I was saying whether I would be *willing* to use my Free Will.

Randall, what would I really like to know is: Does the planetary placement, mentioned above indicate that I NEED NOT use my free will in other areas, that is where such a placement is NOT found ? Though the choice is left to me.

For your information, Randall, Vedic Astrology has very little place for Free Will. Many vedic astrologers, completely rule it out.

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posted October 18, 2001 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, traditionally, a natal chart shows where a person has Free-will capabilities and also where much is fated. But that's old school. I do not agree with that.

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posted October 18, 2001 01:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We wrote our charts with Free Will

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posted October 19, 2001 06:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with you Randall, Princess, Auriel, Birdsong
I have a pretty difficult chart and I am always using my free will to negate the effects of my chart.
I also agree with Raj that Vedic Astrology is pretty fatalistic in nature does not leave much room for exercising free will.
Not that I care too much about it.
Free will is my strength and I use it all the time to fight out difficult situations.

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posted October 19, 2001 09:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You go, Sahana!! I respect that so much in a person.

You know, Free Will is one of the things I don't like about composite charts. They leave no flexibility for Free Will between two people. A composite chart is like a blanket statement of how two people WILL turn out together. I prefer to think two people can do what they desire together and when they face the challenges, they do it together and allow it to make them closer.

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Science is presently concerned only with the material forces, failing to recognize the Spiritual Forces. Yet, what is a material force but the visible manifestation of the Spiritual Force behind it? To accept the material manifestation and deny the Spiritual Force that creates and controls it is to place yourself in the illogical position of accepting an effect--and denying its cause.
Linda Goodman in Love Signs

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posted October 19, 2001 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raj_105_2001     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You need not prefer to think, Morning Storm. That is the Truth!

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posted October 19, 2001 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What Linda said:

"You are the Producer and the Director of the drama of your life. You cast all the characters in it, who mingle and act with you. Astrology wrote the script at your birth, on assignment from you, or from your actions in a former incarnation. But in the present life drama, you can either produce it or throw it away and write a new script ...

"The difference between Avatars or Gurus and the average Earthling is that the former have their Third Eyes open. They 'listen to the music' and thus are fully aware that they've cast themselves on the stage of life in a play or drama they have the power and authority to alter whenever they desire to do so intensely enough."

A special thanks to Gregory for sleuthing this out!

Quite!

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posted October 19, 2001 09:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome!!!!

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Science is presently concerned only with the material forces, failing to recognize the Spiritual Forces. Yet, what is a material force but the visible manifestation of the Spiritual Force behind it? To accept the material manifestation and deny the Spiritual Force that creates and controls it is to place yourself in the illogical position of accepting an effect--and denying its cause.
Linda Goodman in Love Signs

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posted October 20, 2001 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wonder how many of today's astrologers agree with those words?

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posted October 20, 2001 10:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see the human being as being governed by 'internal tides' which in turn are governed by the gravitational pull of the position of heavenly bodies. You could say we operate on automatic pilot.

But we can overide automatic pilot by using free will. Free will can help us avoid or minimise disasters, cause us to wreak ourselves or when used with caution and consideration help us do unto others as we would have them do unto ourselves

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posted October 20, 2001 12:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You k-NOW I do!

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Science is presently concerned only with the material forces, failing to recognize the Spiritual Forces. Yet, what is a material force but the visible manifestation of the Spiritual Force behind it? To accept the material manifestation and deny the Spiritual Force that creates and controls it is to place yourself in the illogical position of accepting an effect--and denying its cause.
Linda Goodman in Love Signs

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posted October 20, 2001 01:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The following is what Cayce's *source* had to say in answer to a particular inquiry...

Q. Is it proper to study the effects of the planets upon our lives, in order to understand our tendencies and inclinations better, as they are influenced by the planets?

A. When studied right (it is) very, very, very much worth while. Then how studied aright? By studying the influence (of the planets) in the light of knowledge already obtained by mortal man. Give out more of that knowledge - giving the understanding that the will must ever be the guidng factor to lead man on, ever upward.

Not that there are not definite helps to be found in astrolgoy; but those who live by it are more often conrolled than controlling. Astrology is a fact, in most instances, but astrological aspects are only *signs and symbols*. No influence is of greater value or help than the will of an individual. Use such directions (from the planets) as stepping stones and do not let them become stumbling stones in thy experience."

~Princess

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posted October 20, 2001 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raj_105_2001     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Planets rule your chart, NOT You.

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posted October 21, 2001 12:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Raj~ I think I'm missing your point... would you elaborate?

Astrology may rule our *charts*, but our charts do not *rule* us. I rule mysElf

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posted October 21, 2001 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raj_105_2001     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You got it!

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posted October 21, 2001 11:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok

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posted November 06, 2001 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raj_105_2001     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 06, 2002 09:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
INTERNAL TIDES this thread 20th Oct

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Randall
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posted April 11, 2002 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted December 07, 2002 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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