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Topic: Free Will in Chart
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raj_105_2001 Knowflake Posts: 46 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2001 09:49 AM
Randall, I don't remember whether I heard or read this - that PART of our Free will can be seen in our chart.If there is a planet in the next sign ( or to the OPPOSITE of the next sign), then that is an area, where we would be willing to exercise our free will. Say I have Saturn in Gemini, then if I have a planet in Cancer or Capricorn, then I would be willing to exercise my free will, against the negative effects of Saturn, for eg, if Saturn is squared or opposed. Please enlighten me on this. Knowflakes, please pour in your knowledge and experience too. ------------------ You are endless galaxies, you have seen but one star - Linda Goodman, Sun Signs IP: Logged |
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posted October 12, 2001 11:09 AM
I can and do use my free will and I don't care where my natal planets or the transits are located. However, I like to use the energy of the planets to help me when I can. ------------------ Science is presently concerned only with the material forces, failing to recognize the Spiritual Forces. Yet, what is a material force but the visible manifestation of the Spiritual Force behind it? To accept the material manifestation and deny the Spiritual Force that creates and controls it is to place yourself in the illogical position of accepting an effect--and denying its cause. Linda Goodman in Love Signs IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 4783 From: The Goober Galaxy Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 12, 2001 05:10 PM
That's old school. I prefer to think of everything as being the result of Free-will. Vedic astrology probably holds your answer. ------------------ "Man is the only animal that blushes...or needs to." Mark Twain IP: Logged |
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posted October 17, 2001 11:23 AM
hhhmmmm...I always thought free will was free will...and that our ability to exercise it was either helped or challenged by the planetary placements...I don't know tho'.I guess I am like Auriel in the sense I don't worry about it...nor do I look into it unless there is an obsticle. hhhmmmm...I wonder.... :love and and
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raj_105_2001 Knowflake Posts: 46 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 18, 2001 01:51 AM
Well, I must say that I am not talking about Free Will. I am talking about the Will to use my Free Will. Also, I didn't say whether I *can* use my Free Will or not, I was saying whether I would be *willing* to use my Free Will.Randall, what would I really like to know is: Does the planetary placement, mentioned above indicate that I NEED NOT use my free will in other areas, that is where such a placement is NOT found ? Though the choice is left to me. For your information, Randall, Vedic Astrology has very little place for Free Will. Many vedic astrologers, completely rule it out. ------------------ You are endless galaxies, you have seen but one star - Linda Goodman, Sun Signs IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 4783 From: The Goober Galaxy Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 18, 2001 08:42 AM
Yes, traditionally, a natal chart shows where a person has Free-will capabilities and also where much is fated. But that's old school. I do not agree with that. ------------------ "Man is the only animal that blushes...or needs to." Mark Twain IP: Logged |
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posted October 18, 2001 01:26 PM
We wrote our charts with Free Will ~Princess IP: Logged |
sahana_22 unregistered
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posted October 19, 2001 06:18 AM
I agree with you Randall, Princess, Auriel, Birdsong I have a pretty difficult chart and I am always using my free will to negate the effects of my chart. I also agree with Raj that Vedic Astrology is pretty fatalistic in nature does not leave much room for exercising free will. Not that I care too much about it. Free will is my strength and I use it all the time to fight out difficult situations. Sahana
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posted October 19, 2001 09:08 AM
You go, Sahana!! I respect that so much in a person.You know, Free Will is one of the things I don't like about composite charts. They leave no flexibility for Free Will between two people. A composite chart is like a blanket statement of how two people WILL turn out together. I prefer to think two people can do what they desire together and when they face the challenges, they do it together and allow it to make them closer. ------------------ Science is presently concerned only with the material forces, failing to recognize the Spiritual Forces. Yet, what is a material force but the visible manifestation of the Spiritual Force behind it? To accept the material manifestation and deny the Spiritual Force that creates and controls it is to place yourself in the illogical position of accepting an effect--and denying its cause. Linda Goodman in Love Signs IP: Logged |
raj_105_2001 Knowflake Posts: 46 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 19, 2001 09:32 AM
You need not prefer to think, Morning Storm. That is the Truth! ------------------ You are endless galaxies, you have seen but one star - Linda Goodman, Sun Signs IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 4783 From: The Goober Galaxy Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 19, 2001 08:58 PM
What Linda said:"You are the Producer and the Director of the drama of your life. You cast all the characters in it, who mingle and act with you. Astrology wrote the script at your birth, on assignment from you, or from your actions in a former incarnation. But in the present life drama, you can either produce it or throw it away and write a new script ... "The difference between Avatars or Gurus and the average Earthling is that the former have their Third Eyes open. They 'listen to the music' and thus are fully aware that they've cast themselves on the stage of life in a play or drama they have the power and authority to alter whenever they desire to do so intensely enough." A special thanks to Gregory for sleuthing this out! Quite! ------------------ "Man is the only animal that blushes...or needs to." Mark Twain IP: Logged |
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posted October 19, 2001 09:02 PM
Awesome!!!! ------------------ Science is presently concerned only with the material forces, failing to recognize the Spiritual Forces. Yet, what is a material force but the visible manifestation of the Spiritual Force behind it? To accept the material manifestation and deny the Spiritual Force that creates and controls it is to place yourself in the illogical position of accepting an effect--and denying its cause. Linda Goodman in Love Signs IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 4783 From: The Goober Galaxy Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 20, 2001 08:44 AM
Wonder how many of today's astrologers agree with those words? ------------------ "Man is the only animal that blushes...or needs to." Mark Twain IP: Logged |
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posted October 20, 2001 10:57 AM
I see the human being as being governed by 'internal tides' which in turn are governed by the gravitational pull of the position of heavenly bodies. You could say we operate on automatic pilot.But we can overide automatic pilot by using free will. Free will can help us avoid or minimise disasters, cause us to wreak ourselves or when used with caution and consideration help us do unto others as we would have them do unto ourselves IP: Logged |
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posted October 20, 2001 12:41 PM
You k-NOW I do! ------------------ Science is presently concerned only with the material forces, failing to recognize the Spiritual Forces. Yet, what is a material force but the visible manifestation of the Spiritual Force behind it? To accept the material manifestation and deny the Spiritual Force that creates and controls it is to place yourself in the illogical position of accepting an effect--and denying its cause. Linda Goodman in Love Signs IP: Logged |
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posted October 20, 2001 01:38 PM
The following is what Cayce's *source* had to say in answer to a particular inquiry...Q. Is it proper to study the effects of the planets upon our lives, in order to understand our tendencies and inclinations better, as they are influenced by the planets? A. When studied right (it is) very, very, very much worth while. Then how studied aright? By studying the influence (of the planets) in the light of knowledge already obtained by mortal man. Give out more of that knowledge - giving the understanding that the will must ever be the guidng factor to lead man on, ever upward. Not that there are not definite helps to be found in astrolgoy; but those who live by it are more often conrolled than controlling. Astrology is a fact, in most instances, but astrological aspects are only *signs and symbols*. No influence is of greater value or help than the will of an individual. Use such directions (from the planets) as stepping stones and do not let them become stumbling stones in thy experience." ~Princess IP: Logged |
raj_105_2001 Knowflake Posts: 46 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 20, 2001 11:47 PM
Planets rule your chart, NOT You.------------------ You are endless galaxies, you have seen but one star - Linda Goodman, Sun Signs IP: Logged |
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posted October 21, 2001 12:40 AM
Raj~ I think I'm missing your point... would you elaborate?Astrology may rule our *charts*, but our charts do not *rule* us. I rule mysElf ~Princess IP: Logged |
raj_105_2001 Knowflake Posts: 46 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 21, 2001 01:09 AM
You got it!------------------ You are endless galaxies, you have seen but one star - Linda Goodman, Sun Signs IP: Logged |
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posted October 21, 2001 11:54 AM
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raj_105_2001 Knowflake Posts: 46 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 06, 2001 10:08 AM
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posted January 06, 2002 09:57 PM
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 4783 From: The Goober Galaxy Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 11, 2002 08:26 AM
------------------ "It is never too late to become what you might have been." George Eliot IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 4783 From: The Goober Galaxy Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 07, 2002 11:51 PM
------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |