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posted November 21, 2002 05:24 PM            

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I just had the most wonderful opportunity, a rare thing for a Literature class...
I asked and was allowed to write a research paper proving my theory that Odysseus, the main guy in the Odyssey, progressed through all twelve sun signs from his exiting Troy to his eventual return home. It was an enlightening experience because to justify "research", I had to re-read and take detailed notes from Linda Goodman's Sun Signs, and Love Signs. It forced me to reexamine mmy knowledge and appreciate the book I was analyzing in the process.
Just wanted to share my excitement!
BTW, the paper ended up being 12 pages, the same number as there are suns signs... conincidence?

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Is Odyssey a movie? was that a dumb question, sorry!
Does he go thru the signs in order? I want to see it!

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posted November 22, 2002 12:36 AM              

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Heh heh Fajita there have been movies made of it, but it's an epic poem by Homer, from ancient Greece. Odysseus had to face a series of trials and challenges on his journey home, and VAA is saying that each of those challenges relates to one sign of the zodiac.

That's neat that you got to do that, I'd like to see it too!

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posted November 22, 2002 03:43 AM              

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wow, VAA.
as corri would say, coolbeans.

do share what you can.

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if you want a good dramatisation of the Odeyssey, let me recommend Ulysses 31 (precursor to the Mysterious Cities of Gold) its animated and dragged screaming and kicking into the 31st century but its very, very good

Great soundtrack as well.

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posted November 22, 2002 07:23 AM            

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Cool! Can you post your paper for us?

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posted November 22, 2002 08:09 AM              

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VAA,

Very ingenious!!

Hope you got the highest grade on the paper!!

Donna

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posted November 22, 2002 12:09 PM              

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VAA, you just have to post your essay. I've read the Odyssey several times, and I'd love to read it again seeing it from your angel. The visit to Hades must be Scorpio, Kirke is Virgo? The lotofagos Taurus? Or is Taurus the oxes of Helios?
And what about Odysseus himself? He reminds me of a Sag.

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posted November 22, 2002 06:41 PM            

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I'd like to post it, but am not sure it would fit?
I'll try. ....

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Here's the first 4 signs...
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The Journey to Maturity from an Astrological Perspective
Maturity is an element that has a profound effect on one’s journey through life and is attained by a combination of experience, and the simple elapsing of time. This evolution can be observed, symbolically, through the twelve astrological zodiac signs. Each sign in succession possesses what its antecedent lacks in wisdom and restraint. A perfect example is the major shift from Aries to Pisces. Aries’ impulsivity grows into Pisces’ deep wisdom and lazy good nature. The Arian will rush into an idealistic cause, incapable of accepting defeat, and fight until the bitter end; enjoying the opposition because it represents challenge, while the more subtle Pisces may approach the exact same cause, but will, through the composite knowledge they have gained from the previous 11 zodiac stages, fight the upstream battle with a careless attitude about tomorrow and a gentle tolerance of today. This progression of knowledge is clearly evident in The Odyssey by Homer, and more specifically in the main character Odysseus. Odysseus journeyed from Troy to Ithaca in much the same manner in which he evolved from an Aries to a Pisces.
Odysseus as initially presented is still very much a warrior, an archetypal Aries. Naturally, the sign of Aries is ruled by Mars/Ares, the god of war. The typical Arian is portrayed as energetic, ambitious, active, and reckless, the symbolic infant of the zodiac. Odysseus in book 9, on Ismaros in his Aries phase, embodies the “blind zeal of the born crusader” (Goodman, Sun Signs 13), a rashness that is culminated when he “stormed that place and killed the men who fought” (Homer 146). He exhibits an unnecessary “concern with the world only as it relates to himself” (Goodman, Sun Signs 5) when he allows his men to be “mutinous, fools, on stores of wine” (Homer 146). The forceful manner (Goodman, Sun Signs 8) he displays in dealing with men who are only fighting the defensive to ensure the safety of their homes only illustrates his carelessness. Also, the reaction he takes in response to the danger presented by the approaching army of Kikonês,
“My men stood up and made a fight for it-backed on the ships, with lances kept in play, from bright morning through the blaze of noon holding our beach, although far outnumbered; but when the sun passed toward unyoking time, then the Akhaians, one by one, gave way” (Homer 146-147),
fits closely to the standard Arian. Odysseus is willing to “go out of their way to meet an obstacle and conquer it long before it comes to them-and often when it might have been headed in the opposite direction” (Goodman, Sun Signs 11).
Beginning after their narrow escape from Ismaros, Odysseus initiates his passage forward into the sign of Taurus. Taurus is ruled (temporarily at least) by Venus, the goddess of love and beauty, and the distinctive Taurean traits are solid/steady, deliberate, obstinate, and sensible. The Taurean is also the symbolic baby of the zodiac. The first signal of his progression into Taurus appears in book 9 on the island of the Kyklopês, where he insists on needing to “make the crossing in my own ship, with my own company, to find out what the mainland natives are” (Homer 159). The appearance of a stubborn streak and a fondness for emphasizing the possessive mood of the individual side trip he is undertaking follows pattern. Then, when “a wineskin full I brought along and victuals in a bag” (Homer 151), he shows his development in tactic from Aries because now he is going into a situation armed with the intention of exchanging gifts/bribes to obtain what he desires instead of merely taking what he desires. He is also able to appeal to Polyphêmos as “beholden for your help, or any gifts you give-as custom it is to honor strangers” (Homer 153). Odysseus’ sensible side is revealed by this attitude, in addition to his “calm, easygoing manner” (Goodman, Sun Signs 48) under pressure.
Abruptly, Odysseus begins to display attributes that validate his progression into the sign of Gemini, from his manner of communicating to his gestures. Gemini is ruled by Mercury, the god of communication. The archetypal Gemini is versatile, restless, clever, and distractible (Goodman, Sun Signs 86). While visiting Polyphêmos in book 9 and before the massacre that ensues, Odysseus’ sudden skill with words is particularly notable, especially his cunning adept trick on Polyphêmos when he declares, “My name is Nohbdy; mother, father, and friends, everyone calls me Nohbdy” (Homer 156). In true Gemini form, Odysseus feels the need to disguise his true motives, with both mock charm and mischievous phrase. Then, he “drew on all my wits, and ran through tactics, reasoning as a man will for dear life, until a trick came-and it pleased me well” (Homer 157) Gemini is the symbolic toddler, capable of thinking fast on their feet. Odysseus, in this form, is more inclined to approach situations with a teasing outlook, light-hearted and full of jest.
Gradually, through the sensuous meal prepared in Kirkê’s house, Odysseus realizes his progression into Cancer. Cancer is the sign ruled by the Moon, represents the feminine/maternal forces, and is the symbolic adolescent. The standard Cancerian is moody, unassuming, insecure, and intuitive. Odysseus is, during book 10 in his Cancer phase, becoming more responsive to his environment, both through physical senses and emotion. The seductive allure woven by Kirkê as she is bathing Odysseus, and “pouring a soothing blend on head and shoulders” (Homer 176), seeks to beguile his newly reawakened fragile and vulnerable self. Yet his moods turn intense, and with the food offered, a “tray of loaves with many savory slices, and she gave the best, to tempt me”, which denotes security to Cancer, “no pleasure came” (Homer 176). Odysseus is able to retain complete “control of imagery” (Goodman, Sun Signs 125) through his fixation with reaching the ultimate in secure places, his own hearth. He is further reminded of home by his crew when Kirkê beckons him to remain forever on her island paradise, and they instruct him to “ ‘shake off this trance and think of home-if home indeed awaits us, if we shall ever see your own well-timbered hall on Ithaca’ They made me feel a pang, and I agreed” (Homer 179). To a Cancerian, home represents the safest of all places, a space where their haunting fears are fully put at ease, and their past is close at hand.

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It is not until the responsibility placed upon his very able shoulders by Kirkê in book 10 comes to fruit in book 11 that Odysseus progresses into the sign of Leo. In fact, this ease and acceptance of duty, with secret admiration (Goodman, Sun Signs 168), is what defines the sign of Leo. Leo is ruled by the Sun, represents the masculine life-force energy, and is the symbolic teenager of the zodiac. The typical Leo is arrogant, astute, generous, and creative. Upon his entrance to the underworld, when Odysseus sees Elpênor and “wept for pity” (Homer 186), he says, “I promise you the barrow and the burial” (Homer 187). This illustrates a key Leoine trait, a fierce loyalty to friends (Goodman, Sun Signs 170). He is willing to release his arrogance for a moment and reveal an emotionally generous heart. And the position he takes in the underworld, specifically when relating to Aîas, whom he had beat to covet the battle gear of Akhilleus, is one of honest superiority when he entreats Aîas to “come nearer, listen to our story! Conquer your indignation and your pride”, and Aîas “turned away” (Homer 203). It is as though Odysseus sincerely believes that all grudges against him are forgiven upon death, regardless of the toll they took in life.
As duty and responsibility call, Odysseus transitions into the stage of Virgo. The sign of Virgo is ruled (temporarily of course) by Mercury, the god of communication. The usual Virgoan is exacting, serious, cool, and capable, the symbolic adult of the zodiac (Goodman, Love Signs 23). Odysseus, in book 12 on Kirkê’s island during this segment, displays a jolt of deepening solemnity not previously apparent in any previous section, and listens as Kirkê advises him, but is able to confront her, saying “Only instruct me, goddess, if you will, how, if possible, can I pass Kharybdis or fight Skylla when she raids my crew?” (Homer 212). His Virgo logical anxiety leads him to take this first major step toward attaining wisdom, which would be the admitting of ignorance/fault and the seeking of veteran counsel. He is willing to calmly put a method in place to ensure the safety of himself, logically warning the crew “Heads up, lads! We must obey the orders as I give them” (Homer 216).
Then, after a relatively minimal loss of men to Skylla, and an exhausting getaway, Odysseus finds himself at a decisive point, and at the risk of losing his dominant position, progresses in the zodiac to Libra, finding a more suitable role as mediator. The sign of Libra is ruled by Venus, the goddess of love and beauty, and Libra is the symbolic mature soul, who is now aware of the “necessity to relate to other human beings” and is “consumed with the intriguing polarity of male and female” (Goodman, Love Signs 24). Odysseus, following his painful passage of self discovery and cultivation, now prefers to win through strategy. Near the island of Hêlios in book 12, he senses the unrest among the crew, “saw the power of destiny devising ill” and concedes “Eurýlokhos, they are with you to a man. I am alone, outmatched” (Homer 219). Odysseus sacrifices anything for peace, using the gentle persuasion of words to turn the scales in his favor. When displeasure befalls his wild shipmates through their slaughter of the cattle of Helios, and Odysseus eventually ends up on the island of Phaiákia, and at the same time that he is enjoying the people, he “time and again turned craning toward the sun, impatient for the day’s end, for the open sea” (Homer 230). Still, he manages to acts “with gentle bearing” (Homer 231) and employs good naturedly pleasant flattery to win over the people of court. The inconsistency and indecisive nature of his actions demonstrates the constantly equalizing soul of the progressed Libra.

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(thanks)
(great paper by the way!)

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posted November 23, 2002 06:55 AM            

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Thanks, but you haven't read the full thing yet cause the second half isn't posted yet.

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Please post the second half, as well! I read the first part with great interest, but with the book in hand, I realized that it's not obvious to separate the adventures into 12. Or what? You start at Ismaros and I fully agree on what you write there. But then..I understand you skipped the lotus eaters? And that storm previous of getting to the land of the lotus eaters could also count as an adventure..? And what about Scylla?
Hope you understand I rise all these questions because I'm fascinated by your study and love to learn more! Thanks.

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posted November 23, 2002 09:07 AM            

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Hi VAA

This really is good. When are you going to post second installment?

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posted November 23, 2002 09:10 AM              

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Oh my God - absouluty brillant.....I wish I would have thought of that concept when I was writing papers for Greek Myth in University.......I did some silly thing in regards ro his ego, and his other selves, or something weird like that......Please post the rest of your essay - it's very enligtening.....Sher bear,,
P.S,----- do you know your mark yet?? I remember making many references about astrology in lectures, but my professor wasn't quite open to it....and it didn't matter how convincing it sounded......

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Thanks everyone for your nice comments and interest.
Stella, I really, REALLY wanted to go through the book with more detail, but my three week timeline ended up severely limiting my abitlity to write as much as I wanted on each sign.. Also, the paper was supposed to by between 5 and 7 pages, no more, and mine was already 12. I think for my own personal pleasure, I'm going to go back and fill in a lot of the examples I was forced to miss because I think it could sound even better more throuroughly done.
Sher-bear, when this assignment was announced, we were given a packet with
"potential ideas" to choose from, or given the option of creating our own. Me, being an Aries rising, could NEVER write on a topic that had already been done before, (hehehe), and I immediately throught up four original ideas of my own. I ran them by my teacher, who is a Pisces by the way, and he said all of them were good, but he was personally most intrigued by the progression through the 12 signs.
Over the course of the year so far, he has mentioned astrology references that have come up in the literature we read and always asked the class what each example meant. I frequently answered and he began to notice that I knew a bit about astrology, so I don't think he was all that surprised. Yet, he also told me that he was going to do some research of his own into astrology (I think so he would have enough knowledge to evaluate the paper) and if his reseach and notes were more extensive then mine, there'd be a problem (lol).

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VAA,

This is absolutely brilliant. You could write this as a Master's Thesis and get it published!! Much like Starhawk did with her master thesis which became her book The Spiral Dance.

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No pressure - but I'm eagerly awaiting the second half..........

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Well, I am going to end your waiting, Sherbear....Here is the anticipated 2nd half...
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The “grey mist all around” (Homer 235) is a fitting scene for Odysseus’ admittance into the most mysterious of the zodiac signs, Scorpio. The sign Scorpio is ruled by Pluto/Hades, the god of death, and is the symbolic mature soul, now enabled with a”burning need to penetrate the unknown” (Goodman, Love Signs 25). Odysseus, during this phase on Ithaca in book 13, is innately suspicious with conviction, and states “I shouldn’t wonder if they pulled out with part of it (the treasures of Phaiákia) on board” (Homer 236). That reflects his fiercely possessive nature. His return to Ithaca also adheres to the emblematic phoenix of Scorpio, the creature capable of smoldering death and then rebirth from the ashes; Odysseus is resurrecting his former image as King from the grave, and righting the uncertainty that has loomed over the kingdom in his absence. Athena is swift to describe him, “coolheaded, quick and well-spoken you are” (Homer 240), evidence of his “well controlled nature” (Goodman, Sun Signs). Odysseus is open about his penchant and longing for retribution, and begs Athena, “Weave me a way to pay them back”, declaring “I’ll take on fighting men three hundred strong if you fight at my back, immortal lady” (Homer 242). He establishes his “total ego” and “forceful courage” (Goodman, Sun Signs), solidifying his progression into a Scorpio as those are their standard traits.
Odysseus is shaken out of his Scorpio phase by the unexpected kindness on Ithaca of Eumaios in book 14, and progresses into Sagittarius. The sign of Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter/Zeus, the god of the sky and travel, and is the symbolic mature soul at the point of retirement. At this point, the soul has become “a skeptical philosopher, a reluctant prophet, still unsure of the final answer to the riddle of life” (Goodman, Love Signs 26). The classic Sagittarian is clumsy, extroverted, idealistic, and brave. Odysseus, after meeting up with Eumaios, and telling his life story, is unable to resist, and boldly states,
“Come then, we’ll make a compact…Upon your lord’s homecoming, if he comes to this very hut, and soon-then give me a new outfit, shirt and cloak, and ship me to Doulíkhion…But if Odysseus fails to appear as I predict, then Swish! Let the slaves pitch me from some high rock, so the next poor man who comes will watch his tongue” (Homer 259)
His clever-minded wager exemplifies the underlying Sagittarian love of gambling, for “the sound of dice rattling…attracts some Jupiter men and women like the siren song of Circe” (Goodman, Sun Signs 325). Then, when Telémakhos, in book 16, arrives and the two men are introduced, Odysseus is eager to take on a beneficial role, venturing, “All that you say gives me an inward wound as I sit listening. I mean this wanton game they play, these fellows, riding roughshod over you in your own house, admirable as you are. But tell me, are you resigned to being bled?” (Homer 292). He is unable, in this position of the zodiac, to “run away from a fight or call for help” (Goodman, Sun Signs 323). Odysseus becomes by his own choice, a crusader of a seemingly lost cause, optimistic in its triumph.
A touch of wisdom, along with an indefinable air of duty comes over Odysseus with the acceptance of his role as father of Telémakhos in book 16. He has progressed into Capricorn, the sign which is ruled by Saturn, the Titan god of discipline, hard work and responsibility. Capricorn is the symbolic mature soul at the point of old age (Goodman, Love Signs 28). The regular Capricorn is sensible, sober, kind, and cautious. In this phase, when Telémakhos expressively questions Odysseus’ authenticity, Odysseus comes across as stern, advising, “This is not princely, to be swept away by wonder at your father’s presence. No other Odysseus will ever come, for he and I are one, the same; his bitter fortune and his wanderings are mine” (Homer 296). He is quick to establish a formal tone to their relationship, an honoring of tradition. Odysseus is also driven by the fact that Capricorns find that “public scenes and raw, naked, uncontrolled passions embarrass them” (Goodman, Sun Signs 363). Odysseus, in his ordeals both symbolically through the zodiac and literally through the voyage home, has gained a greater respect for authority, and he now concedes, “It is no hard thing for the gods of heaven to glorify a man or bring him low” (Homer 296). He has been humbled, and is able to “see the law as necessity for the protection of human rights and safety”; accepting the gods control because his progression into Capricorn brings need to “revere achievement, knowing full well its price” (Goodman, Love Signs 28). After being kicked by one of the suitors in book 17, Odysseus “walked along, debating inwardly whether to whirl and beat the life out of this fellow with his stick, or toss him, brain him on the stony ground. Then he controlled himself, and bore it quietly” (Homer 317). And again, when his old hunting hound Argos, upon hearing his master’s voice, “did his best to wag his tail nose down, with flattened ears, having no strength to move nearer his master”, and Odysseus sentimentally “looked away, wiping a salt tear from his cheek; but hid this”, (Homer 320) he exhibited the fundamental Capricorn trait, self-denial. He knows precisely how to accomplish the necessary image, and unlike previous stages, he’s “acutely aware of the dangers of impulsive action” (Goodman, Love Signs 28).
Odysseus proves his worth after the brawl at his palace with Iros in book 18, and his speech to the suitors after its victorious conclusion signals his progression into Aquarius. The sign of Aquarius is ruled by Uranus, the Earth god of “progress and technology -- anything that is radical” and “electricity and astrology” (astrology.com). It is the symbolic second childhood. The usual Aquarian is original, futuristic, unpredictable, and shrewd. Odysseus, in his Aquarian phase, calms the hysterical crowd of suitors, when he daringly asserts,
“I have a word to say to you, so listen. Of mortal creatures, all that breathe and move, earth beats none frailer than mankind. What man believes in woe to come, so long as valor and tough knees are supplied to him by the gods? But when the gods in bliss bring miseries on, the willy-nilly, blindly he endures. Our minds are as the days are, dark or bright, blown over by the father of gods and men…No man should flout the law, but keep in peace what gifts the gods may give” (Homer 340).
His words reflect a “mix of cold practicality and eccentric instability” (Goodman, Sun Signs 397). Next, it is fascinating that of all the possible tasks, when standing around among the men, waiting to speak to Penélopê, Odysseus declares, “I stand here ready to tend these flares and offer light to everyone. They cannot tire me out, even if they wish to drink till Dawn” (Homer 346). He chooses to symbolically provide the “light” of truth, for reasons undisclosed to those he serves, in an otherwise dark situation, much like the archetypal Aquarian “pours out his knowledge both determined and anxious to share it” (Goodman, Love Signs 29), even while wishing to hide their own motives. Then, in a final sweep of justice perpetuated by the influence of Uranus, which is also the “unpredictable and violent planet of change” (Goodman, Sun Signs 403), Odysseus angrily shouts, “Contempt was all you had for the gods who rule wide heaven, contempt for what men say of you hereafter. Your last hour has come. You die in blood” (Homer 410). He is showing evidence of the Aquarian tendency to “envision a golden and glorious future that may be attained only by blasting old customs and outdated ideas to clear the way for spiritual awareness, through the thunderbolt path of accelerated Karma” (Goodman, Love Signs 29). Purging his home of the human refuse was merely the final step toward regaining his idealistic world, full of rainbows and promise.
With this essential task behind him, Odysseus is free to progress into his final stage, Pisces. The sign of Pisces is ruled by Neptune/Poseidon, god of the sea. Pisceans are generally charismatic, despondent, sensitive, and indirect. Odysseus, in his Pisces interlude from the start of book 23, is full of “lazy good nature” (Goodman, Sun Signs 439); when he approaches Penélopê in his true form for the first time in 20 years, with an understanding deeply gained by his passage through the 11 prior signs of the zodiac, “A smile now came to the lips of the patient hero, Odysseus…and said: ‘Peace: let your mother test me at her leisure” (Homer 432). His attitude with regard to his long absence also indicates the Neptunian “carelessness about tomorrow” (Goodman, Sun Signs 438); however, his temper is aroused by Penélopê, who commands, “Make up his bed for him, Eurýkleia. Place it outside the bedchamber my lord built with his own hands” (Homer 435). Her final test “tried him to the breaking point” (Homer 435), and his Piscean mutable skill of communication took over, and he burst out, “Woman, by heaven you’ve stung me now! Who dared to move my bed?” (Homer 435), chastising that further reveals Odysseus as “bitingly sarcastic with a clever, caustic tongue” (Goodman, Sun Signs 439). Yet, of all that he accomplished as he matured, nothing brings to a close this progression more completely than his reaction to the violently vengeful suitors’ families in book 24, Odysseus’ closing act , when Pallas Athena pleaded for them to “ ‘Call off this battle now, or Zeus who views the wide world may be angry.’ He yielded to her, and his heart was glad” (Homer 462). His last challenge of the signs, as a Pisces, was to fight against taking the effortless choice of road through life, “conquer the swift current, and find serenity in pure waters” (Goodman, Sun Signs 445); for Odysseus, harmony after the routine of battle was his challenge, and his new beginning.

Sources:
Goodman, Linda. Linda Goodman’s Sun Signs. New York: Taplinger, 1968.
Goodman, Linda. Linda Goodman’s Love Signs. New York: Mannitou Enterprises Unlimited, Inc., 1978.
Homer. The Odyssey. Trans.
Robert Fitzgerald. New York: Doubleday, 1961.
Uranus: Understanding Astrology – astrology.com. 3 Oct. 2002.
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Yay!!!! Loved It... I'm now looking at the Odyessey with slightly different eyes...Again, amazing stuff....Thank-you for sharing

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oh my, VAA, ace stuff!

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Thanks fellow Knowflakes for all the encouraging comments! I am seriously considering Donna's suggestion about publishing it, but what is a "Master's Thesis"?
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Well, I just got the paper back today, and guess what?
I got an A!!!!
Also, my Pisces instructor's comments were:
"This was quite an education for me, and it was also a display of your abilities. Exceptional application of these ideas."
He even gave me a few suggestions on examples I could include that would fit in well, such as the significance of Odysseus taking on a beggar/old man's guise when he was supposedly progressing through Capricorn.
That indicates to me that he was really paying attention, which pleases me.
His openmindness is a trait I am beginning to appreciate.
And, speaking of Carlo's thread on our interactions with opposites, this teacher is my opposite since he is Pisces and I am Virgo.... interesting thought to contemplate.

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Have you been with a Pisces guy before? You could write a great poem, that much is clear, you're a terriic writer and exemplary Virgo girl (hint hint, wink wink, say no more say no more)...

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