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Topic: Could you help me please Bissie?
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Nebel
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posted November 23, 2002 09:16 PM
 
Hiya Bissie  I posted this question on the 'Soul Unions' section and Stella suggested I ask for your help... If you have a chance, could you please offer your opinion on this relationship (Other than the obvious age difference!). Being a complete novice i'm having trouble seeing if this is a long term relationship - or i should run the other way (Seeing past my emotions is a little difficult - I'm sure you understand) Thanks very much
Nebel Him: 16/2/63 at 23.30, Hamilton Victoria, Australia.
Me: 4/5/81 at 7.30, Geelong, Victoria Australia. ------------------
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Cate
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posted November 23, 2002 11:00 PM
Hello Nebel, I am a close friend of Bissie's and will be responding in her stead until she can answer you herself. I hope you do not mind.
I will look over the charts tonight and give you what I find on the morrow. *Remember that time incrementation is a human contrivance. Age of the soul can never be measured. Do not fret about age.
I will give you a blanket reading with no judgements. It may reveal a combination of what you do and do not want to hear, which would be true of anyone. I sense in you, however, a depth that understands this. It is good to meet you, Nebel.
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Bissie
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posted November 24, 2002 02:17 AM
thank you, Cate. You are such a good friend Nebel, sweetheart
I had some time tonight and looked at your chart, I am sure Cate will give you in addition a very good insight on your relationship as she is the queen of synastry. I will tell you only this - if you have enough strenth, run away from this relationship NOW.
It won`t work for good.
I don`t doubt the good intentions of this man towards you but from what I see in your synastry - this relationship will hurt you on such a deep level, it will be hard to heal afterwards. He does find you fascinating and intriguing, you sure touch him very deeply but your relationship plays out a VERY harsh karma from past life. I am saying this only because I wish to prevent more grief for you and for him. I know it will be hard for you but you have to move on now, trust me on that. Let me explain : Your strong stellium in Taurus - Sun, Moon, Asc, Venus and Mercury is located right at the missing leg of his Mars/Saturn/Neptune T-square.
In two words - from the bottom side of your chart his Saturn squares tightly your Sun,Moon,Venus,Asc and Mercury, which spells for many troubles. Saturn in square to another`s Moon and Venus is quite unpleasant by itself only, in your case it also squares your Sun, Asc and Mercury.
In addition to this, from the north side of your chart his Mars squares all over again your huge stelium.
I have no words to explain how heavy and harsh is that confuguration. If you let go off hands at times of quarrels - it can even lead to physical abuse.
On the top of that - his Neptune sits exactly on your DC in opposition to your stellium, which makes you compltetely blindfolded and fascinated by him. His Sun sits on your MC and you may see in him all those qualities you always have been looking for in a man. And he may very well be the personification of your ideal man but it seems like it wasn`t meant to happen in this life time. I think that this man somehow is aware that he will hurt you deeply and that is why he pushes you away, he certainly is very drawn to you (your Uranus squares his Sun and conjunct closely his Moon and Asc) but the result won`t be good. All I am trying to do with saying all this is to keep you away from troubles. This is a very karmic relationship and I am sure if neither one of you call it quits now - you will be on and off again and again and it may very well end up in a disaster because a harsh karma has to be played out. well, its 2 AM already and I am going to sleep.
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posted November 24, 2002 11:12 PM
Gee Wez Bissie - All I can say is thank you so much - So So much for your advice
I guess on a deeper level I could 'tell' that this relationship was destined to hurt us both - but like you say we are both fascinated by each other and it is so difficult to pull apart. I'm still a little stunned by your words - and i have no idea how i'm going to end this relationship but I will try... Thank you so much again
Cate: Thanks for your help as well - i look foward to your words
Always the best
Nebel ------------------
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posted November 25, 2002 01:23 AM
Okay.
I looked at several charts and included the so-called major asteroids when looking at your synastry. What I want you to take with you is what your chart says about you in terms of relationships. I think your best bet is in understanding what you are attracted to and why this may or may not work according to the rest of your chart. What I am not going to give you is an ABC reading, i.e. Sun in Taurus = ...
There are many websites that do this. What these websites do not do is offer a big picture scenario- and this is where I step in. I will do my best to point out to you what I think deserves the most focus in your chart; there will be several areas. Then, I will take a look at the synastry.
As Biss pointed out, you have a very crowded stellium in Taurus spanning your 1st and 12th houses. The 1st house is made conscious in the personality so planets here will be much easier for you to deal with, if in fact, they need to be dealt with. Your 12th house planets are what need attention. They work naturally on a very subconscious level and both your Luminaries and your Mars reside here. And, depending on which house system you choose, other planets may reside here as well: Chiron, Venus and Mercury. The house system used is entirely your choice.
The fact that Chiron is in the middle of this stellium is extremely significant in terms of your ability to relate. It is your "wound", so-to-speak, a wound you were born with and not one that has since developed, and we all have such a wound. I strongly advise that you read as much as you can on Chiron. If on-line articles are not enough, buy a few books. Chiron features very strongly in your chart and the money would not be wasted.
**I also suggest that you find whatever information you can on the house placements of your stellium planets, as well as Chiron. On a basic cookbook level, you may go to www.astrology-numerology.com or, better, www.elysian.co.uk/ and astrodienst.com. Chiron will be more difficult to learn about with fewer sources. However, to get the best on-line reading I would go to astrodienst.com, under Free Charts, under the AstroClick Portrait, and tell me what you think. It is a top-notch site, currently.
Now, what this stellium does is pull the Taurean theme into very very high relief in your personality. You are so strongly Taurean, that there is little about you that isn't, though planets in conjunction can create all kinds of energies in a chart. This means that you are almost entirely 1. earthy, 2. fixed and
3. personal. To read more on what personal signs are, go to www.astrologyclub.org under articles, under Intro to Singletons. Scroll down a bit and you will see a segment on Orientation.
Despite the ins and outs of the individual aspects, and they are important, Taurus rules your chart. Even your chart ruler, Venus, is in Taurus. Again, astrodienst.com will explain the subtleties of the aspects more fully. Keep in mind that Taurus, with its many beautiful, classically Venusian traits, is a vey stubborn sign, for better or for worse. This means that you will strongly hold onto certain things, people and philosophies, even when all signs point to moving away from them... What astro.com will not provide is the "translation of light theory". When you look at your chart, you will see that your Mercury-Venus conjunction opposes your Uranus in Sco. The translation of light theory holds that if planet A links to planets B and C, then planets B and C are linked, EVEN when no in-orb aspect links them. Consequently, your Uranus is opposing your entire Taurean stellium. So when you get to the cookbook interps., remember to include Sun opposed Uranus, Moon opposed Uranus, etc. Now, you will note the energy of such a configuration is unstable to say the least, which conflicts very strongly with your Taurean core. And with Uranus in your 7th, your are attracted to that very instability which causes you eventual distress. You may use the Taurean stubborness WITH the desire to travel the road less traveled in relationships (opposed 7th Uranus), to your possible disadvantage.
Continued...
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Cate
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posted November 25, 2002 01:24 AM
Continued...What the 7th house planets also indicate, according to Carl Jung, is our shadow self. Not only are you attracted to Uranian/Aquarian types, but you project this energy onto such partners. In other words, YOU are the unstable element but are much more aware of the instability in the OTHER person. This has a great deal to do with your current situation and so is all the more important. I would imagine, however, that this pathology has plagued you your entire life. I have a 7th house Gem moon, and I cannot tell you how often I project it onto others. Read about the Shadow Self at www.shadowdance.com and www.thezodiac.com.
**What makes your Uranus stand out even further is the fact that it is a singleton. It is the only planet in water. I refer you again to astrologyclub.org and this time, read the entire intro as well as the article discussing this particular planet. Also write to their Ask the Astrologer section and discuss your chart in terms of the 7th house singleton Uranus- 12th/1st house Taurean stellium opposition.
You also have a T-square involving your Uranus, your stellium and your Aqu MC. As with any T-square, the object is to fill in that missing leg, or the part of your chart that would make that T-square into a Grand Square, thus balancing it. For you, this would mean the sign of Leo and 4th house themes. *Why this might be difficult: The planetary rulers of both are part of your T-square, so... ***pay particular attention to your Sun and Moon in sign, house and aspect. Very important. Though it is best to fill in our own missing leg, because it takes conscious work, we are often simply drawn to people who fill it in for us. Your Aquarian is a prime example. His Leo Mars fits the bill. However, though on some level you feel as though he "completes you", and this is natural, his Mars in Leo is a singleton and it is not well-aspected in his own chart. It is not only angular (10th, which publicizes it), but it is part of a very serious, debilitating T-square. This means that what seems to help balance you is a part of that man that is supremely difficult for him to make peace with- and a part that you are having enormous conflict with.
I know this seems like a lot, so take a breather if you need one.
Your Pluto is very underaspected, only sextiling your Neptune, inconjuncting your Merc-Venus conj., and trining your MC, so this is a planet that is difficult for you to integrate into your personality. In the 5th house, it has a direct influence on romance in your life... perhaps you desire emotional and psychological depth in romance, but once encountered, have great difficulty meeting such energy head on. You are lucky that it is not peregrine, (or entirely unaspected). You do have Plutonian outlets in your career (MC) and in your 8th house Neptune. Look more deeply at the inconjunct relationship.
Two of your planets, Jupiter and Saturn, in conjunction, in the 5th, are linked to your 7th Uranus. The two houses of romance are natally connected, then. Jupiter is at 1 deg, which is a Critical Degree, meaning significant, not ill. The fact that your Saturn is really only linked to three non-personal planets (Jup, Uranus and Neptune), suggests that you cannot personally (Sun-Mars) relate to the themes of Saturn, and likely seek Saturnian themes outside yourself. Hence, the older man. Though it's in the 5th and not the 7th, it links to the 7th house directly, thereby fusing its energies with that projected Uranus. (The sextile link is out-of-sign only in the Tropical chart and not in the Vedic chart, to clarify). Your best bet is to consciously pull these Saturn/Uranian energies inside yourself in order to prevent becoming heavily reliant on a second party. I am less concerned about the Jupiter link. I will check around to find articles that might better outline how do accomplish this integration, but in the meantime, keep it in mind when inspecting your relationships.
Lastly, I brought up your singleton Uranus. Singletons are so significant an dastrologer could do a singletons reading alone and cover a huge portion of a person's psyche. You also have a double singleton Neptune, as it is the only planet in a fire sign AND the only planet in a mutable sign. The Uranus is more closely linked to your personal planets but the Neptune is a singleton twice so deserves as much attention. Read the articles on these very closely while applying them to your current situation.
There is, of course, much more to our lives then mere astrology, and our personalities certainly can't be encapsulated in one chart alone. But this reading does a fair job of covering useful knowledge, and I hope you benefit from it and the research in some way.
I will post the synastry you have with the Aquarian in the following post.
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posted November 27, 2002 05:25 AM
Hiya Cate
Hope everything is great for youI'm going away for a few days so I'm not sure when I'm going to get back to Linda-Land... I just thought I'd let you know because I'm REALLY looking forward to your next posting - and I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you  I also wanted to thank you VERY much for your help with my chart - although I haven't had time to look over your words fully, a few things have really struck me... -Firstly, when i began reading about the singleton Uranus it sounded like the words were written just for me - in other words i never knew how prominent Uranus was for me untill you pointed it out. (And I mean prominent to the extent that it almost explains me to the letter without including the rest of my chart )
-Secondly, you mentioned that i may seek Saturnine themes in other people - how true! Most if not all of my friends are at least twenty years older than myself!
-Thirdly, you said that i have a t-square involving my MC. I'm glad you pointed this out to me because i never thought that t-squares involved the MC - and this knowledge now solves a lot of 'gaps' in my chart interpretation
- Lastly (For now!), I was surprised that you mentioned that because of a rule, Uranus was opposite my entire Taurus stellium - i had never heard of this rule, and again, it fills in a lot of gaps in the chart interpretation i have been working on I have been trying to read my own chart for ages now - i read every astrology book i can find but it takes one person like you to point little things out like that to make it a hell of a lot easier Thank you very much again - i look forward to your next words Always Best
Nebel
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