posted December 15, 2002 01:00 AM              

Thanks for your reply! I ahve a question though. When you say "ruled by" do you mean people who's sun/asc. signs are ruled by those planets or people with strong Mercury/Neptune/Pluto influences?

Hmm...and no wonder...one of the people on my mind has Mercury Square Neptune...

posted December 15, 2002 01:06 AM            

The ancients also linked Mercury in evil aspect (square or opposition) to Saturn, Mars or the Nodes to liars. A conjunction (to these same points) could also be considered a bad aspect if Mercury was retrograde or out of his dignities. (in other words not in a sign that he rules {Gemini/Virgo}, or is exalted in {Virgo/Aquarius}.)

Dignity also goes a bit further than that, but that is fairly advanced traditional astrology to get into in a short reply.

Hope that helps.

Peace and Magic...

A

posted December 15, 2002 08:32 AM              

Very interesting points! What does it mean however for a planet to be "exalted"?

posted December 15, 2002 10:29 AM            

Well, when a planet RULES a sign it is at home. It is powerful and able to freely express its nature.

A Planet that is EXALTED is very well placed... sort of like being a special guest at a friend's house. You can still express yourself freely and are comfortable.. almost like a home away from home.

Sun in ARIES is EXALTED
Moon in TAURUS is EXALTED
Mercury in VIRGO is EXALTED or as the moderns say Mercury in AQUARIUS is EXALTED
Venus in PISCES is EXALTED
MARS in CAPRICORN is EXALTED
Jupiter in CANCER is EXALTED
Saturn in LIBRA is EXALTED

The transcendental planets don't fit into the ancient system of Essential Dignities. But some modern astrologers say that:

Uranus in Scorpio is EXALTED
Neptune in Cancer is EXALTED
Pluto in ??? is EXALTED

I don't think that the modern astrologers have fully made up their minds about where Pluto is EXALTED. Anyone have any ideas?

Any planet that is in the opposite sign from the one that it RULES is said to be in its DETRIMENT. It doesn't express it's energies very freely, due to the incompatible nature of the sign. Kind of uncomfortable, like being in the room with an ex friend or lover with whom you are not on good terms.

When a planet is found in the opposite sign from its EXALTATION, it is said to be in its FALL. Here it's sort of like not having your own home, and not having the money, freedom or time, to do what you want to do. So, you kind of have to work twice as hard to get half as much.

Hope this helps. Make any sense?

Blessings...

A

posted December 15, 2002 10:49 AM              

No, I mean the planets and their aspects to each other are what rule. A person with these aspects will exhibit those traits.

I worked with an ER doc who had Mercury square Neptune and almost everything out of his mouth was a falsehood. It was so frustrating. As an ER nurse, we take verbal orders constantly, I would repeat what he told me to do and he would say yes, then later he would say he never said that. It got to the point that I requested he write it down before I carried any of his orders out. Not exactly the thing to do in an emergency situation,

On the other hand, honesty is ruled by Jupiter and secondarily by the Sun.

Exaltation simply means a beneficial position by sign and degree of a planet where it functions well.

posted December 15, 2002 11:48 AM              

So, combining what everyone has said about Mercury, Neptune, Pluto, Jupiter and Gemini influences...and I'm looking at one person specifically...would all of these things in one chart contribute to a dishonest personality:
(he is a Leo Sun, Libra Asc., Aries Moon)

Mercury in Virgo Square Neptune in Sag
Jupiter and Mars in Gemini
Venus in Cancer Conjunct Jupiter in Gemini
Mercury in Virgo(he was a communications major in college) Square Mars in Gemini
Pluto in Libra Square MC in Cancer
Neptune in Sag opposite Mars in Gemini
Pluto in Libra opposite Moon in Aries

Also, Neptune in this chart is retrograde

Do houses matter in this case?

This is really interesting-thanks everyone!

posted April 26, 2005 06:32 PM              

maybe this link may help to understand Neptune aspects
http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Neptune_Sun.html

methinks ther be a positive and negtive side to all the signs and aspects etc
... i know a well respected ( for his honesty) lawyer with merc square to neptune .. may depend how one is aware of the influence and what one does with it .. i researched the nept influence as i was trying to get someone free of a heroin addiction ( they have Sun con. Nept. con Merc ... and apart from lying like there was no tomorrow .. they managed .. above all to delude themselves in all manner of ways )

posted April 26, 2005 07:49 PM            

planet sign degree house motion
Sun Capricorn 10°06'25 05 direct
Moon Capricorn 06°46'22 05 direct
Mercury Capricorn 27°22'30 06 direct
Venus Sagittarius 14°56'40 05 direct
Mars Aries 13°33'55 09 direct
Jupiter Libra 01°24'58 03 direct
Saturn Sagittarius 09°16'45 05 direct
Uranus Leo 05°57'44 12 retrograde
Neptune Scorpio 02°17'34 04 direct
Pluto Virgo 00°14'29 01/2 retrograde
Pluto is technically near the end of house 1 and is interpreted in house 2.
True Node Scorpio 28°28'10 04 retrograde
Ascendant Leo 14°31'26

Thanks for any insights!
'zala

posted April 29, 2005 01:13 AM              

although there is a very positive side to neptune, a mystical, dreamy, spiritual side....the part of Pisces ruled by Jupiter. Remember Pisces is a dual sign.

I have known someone with a Mercury Neptune aspect that had difficulties with the above, but honesty is also strong in this individual. You can't judge someone just from one aspect, especially with an outer planet.

The signs involved, the houses, the aspects, what the other planets are doing, it all adds up and each part of the equation is necessary to begin to add it up.

I have also seen the Merc/Neptune aspect cause a confusion, cloudy thinking, inability to keep track of some things............spacing out so to speak.

Great aspect for artistic temperaments, especially in Libra.

of course Libra also rules relationships, so it could manifest in that department rather than the art (Venus rules Libra)

posted April 29, 2005 09:14 AM              

The problem I have is loving and forgiving someone who has had a problem, I am still working on that one.

I do know a Neptune conjunct Mercury and he is a good liar too, but more for others, at work. He is at home a very honest person.

I have a tendency to be secretive myself with Mars opposite Mercury, but it's not evil! Unless, someone asks me to say something and I can't. I can't speak another person's words, which is frustrating.