posted January 08, 2003 02:20 PM              

As far as I know, neither the Church believes that 12/25 was the real birth-d of Jesus. They say that this date it's a symbolic date.
Jesus' date of birth is not a dogma that cannot be objecteded.
Here in this forum, there is a topic talking about this subject, " Jesus is Virgo...etc "

Hi Bases Loaded

posted January 08, 2003 04:04 PM              

The first step is to reject Dec 25th. It´s too easy to know how. When we read the Gospels, we see that date is completly wrong. And after reading the history we understand why that date has been accepted for many centuries.

December is a cold season in Israel. When Jesus is born, the angels appear to inform to the shepherds. Those men were "living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks AT NIGHT" (Luke 2:8). Would they be doing that at a cold night? No way.
The Bible doesn´t mention anything about a cold season, winter, snow, etc. And Jesus said that his followers had to appreciate the significance of his death, not of his birth day. That´s why the true date is not present in the Bible, but only the date he die in: Nisan 14th, during the first full moon of the year.

That date was taken by the church from the Roman´s pagan celebrations. Dec 25th was the date chosen by Romans to celebrate winter solstice, when orgies and indecent behaviors were quite popular. Therefore , that date does not honour Jesus.

posted January 09, 2003 05:47 PM              

Ok, I'll do my research and see if I get close to the date, but with certainty it was in the summer...

Tuesday, as far as I know, he is Cuban ...and a special person btw .

Love
Jakie

posted January 10, 2003 03:25 PM              

Jaqueline, you're always so nice. Thanks for answering Tuesday's question with that complement. I don't deserve it. And about the true date, I have to add that the "first ful moon of the year" means that according to the Jew calendar, of course. Nisan is the first month and it starts with the spring of northern hemisphere (from March to April in our calendar). Why do you say that the date isin the summer? Let me tell you that the exact day won't be found.

posted January 13, 2003 12:27 PM              

I don't have enough time now...I'm using a pause in my schedule...yet, I'll right about my thoughts tonight

Ok, If you deserve or not...I decide
And I think that you are a special person !

posted January 20, 2003 11:10 AM              

However, Jesus´ death has a clear date in the Bible. Nisan 14th is an important date in the Book. We can read about many events to prove that date is right: He was arrested after celebrating the Passover with his disciples. The Passover is to celebrate when Israelites were liberated from Egypt, when they were slaves (Nisan 14th, Exodus 12); we also see that Jew leaders didn´t want to arrest him "during the Feast"; Jesus was "the Lamb of God", and his sacrifice was to liberate the humankind from the sin and death (John 1:29). So, Nisan 14th was the perfect date for that sacrifice.

By the way, Jesus was not crucified. The cross was taken from pagan traditions too, and it was a religious symbol even many centuries B.C. Some times the cross was a falic symbol, and that way the cross becomes a disrespectful symbol for true Christians.

Jesus was fixed on a vertical pole, with no crossbar for hands, but for the "writen charge against him" (Matthew 27:37). His hands were above his head, nailed together on the pole. The cross was an execution instrument used by Romans, not by Jews. Jesus had to die according to Jew law for criminals. The reason is a topic for other conversation, if you like.

posted January 20, 2003 11:21 PM              

Geez everywhere you go phallic symbols...

Thanks Bases Loaded