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proxieme
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posted January 08, 2003 05:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey ya'll.
I know I ask for help on here more than I can give it, but may I impose once again?

My sister.
My sister dropped-out of school when she turned 17 (as one my do in VA); she'd been in High School for three years and was still taking freshmen classes. She's taken the GED 2x now after being enrolled in a "Turning Point" program; she had to contact the head of that program either yesterday or today so that she could get back into it so she could take the GED again.
She didn't.
The head called my Mom's work asking to speak to my sis (my Mom's office is located @ my Grandparents'...family company, long story); my sis wasn't there, although she had promised my Mom that she would call sometime in the morning and then be dropped-off. She cannot now enter the program and cannot re-take the GED until she's 18.
My Mom, once again, cried in the middle of the office.
She usu. comes in to work w/ my Mom, b/c otherwise she physically attacks my brother or step-brother (she recently stabbed my step-bro in the leg) or gets into a fight with someone and breaks half the dishes in the house or puts sugar into someone's gas tank. To be fair, the others do fight back, but I've been there to see these things start and escalate - she finds someone's weak spot and goads and goads (she is incredibly perceptive) until she gets a reaction, and then explodes on that person.
She parties every night and then spends the day curled-up on a chair in my Gma's living room hung over, etc. She constantly has sex w/ multitude guys (and it's not "oh, I'm a free person" kinda sex" it's "I get drunk or high on something and then...and then I don't exactly remember what happened, but I woke-up and my pants and underwear were off and I was a bit messy" kinda sex) and she has been since she was 12.
She lived w/ our dad for a while to give our mom a break, but our pop didn't bend the way my mom does. He also didn't accept that she's really only nice to most people most of the time as long as they can do something for her. After a series of shouting matches, there was a fairly physical fight, and she left/was kicked-out.
She's back w/ my Mom now, and doesn't have a job and refuses to get one - or keep one once she does get it. She's also (as noted a bit b/f) taken back to destroying other people's stuff.
She's obviously deeply hurt, and I'd like to know if there's anything anyone can do to help. I know that what must be done must be done by her, but as her sister I would like to be there when she decides to...well, when she decides to decide.
And I don't want for it to sound like she's a "bad" person - she's not, and she can be a really sweet kid; but her present behavior (well, her behavior for the past 5 years) is hurting those in the family that have to live w/ her (I'm 22 and am no longer there ), as well as my Gma b/c she sees what her granddaughter's behavior is doing to her daughter. And you could say, "Well, they should just accept that they have no stake in her behavior and can't possibly change it, so that it won't bother them/contribute to outbreaks of shingles/etc," but good luck telling that to a mother and grandmother.
My father, who my sis's very much like, has stopped talking to her.

So, I was wondering if one of ya'll could take a look at her chart and see what there is to see there...
but, astro.com isn't coming up right now for some reason, and that's where I have her info stored...grr.
I'll post it in a while.

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proxieme
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posted January 08, 2003 06:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okeydokey, here it is:

17 Sep 1985
local time 05:36 pm
U.T. 21:36 sid. time 16:13:50
in Fairfax, VA (US)
77w18, 38n51

Thank you to anyone out there for any help you can give.

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theFajita
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posted January 08, 2003 10:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Proxieme I don't really know what to say except I support you and your family. Gosh you sound so mature for 22 I am sorry I do not know what else to say! But (((hug)))


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Carlo
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posted January 08, 2003 10:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

At first glance, I would say its traceable to the murky Scorpio she has going on, particularly her Moon/Pluto/South Node conjunction in that sign...yipes. A Scorpio Moon is not easy to wield, but then attach Pluto in his strongest suit and blam, the natural response mechanism (Moon), is jolted for life. No Moon-Pluto conjunction is easy, yet her generation, the Pluto in Scorpio gang, are the first to be able to have Pluto in the sign that he is given new rulership of, conjunct that generally uneasy Moon sign.

There is the tight Leo Venus-Scorpio Saturn square which will cause the ostentatious sexual nature and slutty libido, since it is def showy (Leo) in a highly sexed (Scorpio) sort of negative, indiscriminate way.

Sadly, things like that cannot always be so readily resolved by any amount of positive thinking, which, being a Virgo, can cause her the extra melancholy and heaviness of Earth, and a way of only seeing the flaws and negatives of most or every situation, the imperfections. So she succumbs to it, rather than decides to rise above it, lets the heaviness drag her down. The amalgamation of all the Earth and Water, itself not very easy or stable on its own, causes quicksand rather than a flourishing and lush garden.

And then when you put her North Node in Taurus opposite that Moon-Pluto conjunction, there is the difficuty of learning to go in that Taurean direction, since it's pulling opposite the way she should be heading, toward a more Taurean ideal and direction, like building a life and career and income and so forth. Thus, her South Node, being exactly opposite the North Node, would be stapled to that Moon-Pluto conjunction, and thus her South Node is what is called overactive, as in way. I am a Virgo with a Taurus North Node, in the 11th, so I build (Taurus) a community of friends (11th house). She has the benefit of the accidental dignity of that Taurus N. Node being in the second (Taurus) house, so it shouldn't be impossible for her.

Her only Air is a generally unhelpful Jupiter position that is at once in the 12th house, and retrograde, and in the not so Jupiterian sign of Aquarius. Well, her Aquarius ASC here is not counted by me, since it's only companion in Air is that unfortunate Jupiter placement. If it were a positive Air aspect, any at all, you could attach the Air ASC and say that the person has the benefit of Air, yet she probably starves for it, figuratively and possibly literally.

That is what I see with my labcoat on, since I suspect you don't want or expect it to be sugarcoated. How to transcend and rise above, someone else maybe can address. I just know what I see in the chart. Possibly medication, I really don't know. Maybe her life can and will turn around, I hope so, I'm with you Corri

Love,
Carlo

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proxieme
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posted January 09, 2003 11:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Fajita for your support
It means a lot.

Thank you for being w/ me on this, Carlo, and thank you a thousand times for your analysis; it's been incredibly useful. And you're right: I wouldn't have wanted it sugarcoated or toned-down - especially since what you've written does offer hope. Her Scorpio placements may be a pain in her butt, but Scorpio's also capable of dramatic transformation, right? It kinda offers the problem and the cure in one, she's just got to get the catalyst to start it off.
One question (and I may be completely off-base on this one, so feel free to slap me down): could her lack of air be indicative of the extremely troubled relationship she's pretty much always had w/ our dad (a Libra, and pretty much the only air Sun in the immediate family), and her subsequent "searching" for an airy male surrogate? (The guys that I've met, although only a portion of the whole, have all seemed air-sign-ish.)

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N_wEvil
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posted January 09, 2003 12:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i can only really speak from personal experience here..I dont know all the facts (in either case) - im just going on hearsay which is bound to have the truth slightly stretched.

Over summer, i met up with a Virgo girl who had allegedly had quite a wild life as a teenager....but thats not the point.

The point is that when I met her she seemed VERY together and capable....as i stated above im not sure if the rumours i heard were true (prolly rubbish her very-pathetic-and-nasty Leo ex threw up) but if they were, she managed to get herself sorted out.

So i guess its just a message of hope really...people change alot from 17 to 20...but maybe she has to make these mistakes now to learn what she needs to.

My thoughts are with you on this one - wish i could help more.

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theFajita
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posted January 09, 2003 09:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Proxieme I am supporting you all the way! And your sister to and your familia!

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taj
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posted January 15, 2003 10:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Along with what N_wEvil says, this may be HOW she needs to learn her life lessons. Not easy to see the WHY of it but it is to be accepted as thus.

Kin are all karmic relationships. So THANKS for wanting to help her.

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theFajita
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posted January 15, 2003 11:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you ever need to vent or talk Proxieme I hope you know I am here and I know others here too

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proxieme
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posted January 16, 2003 11:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Fajita

And, there's no reason for this one, but, eh...I like it:

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theFajita2
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posted January 17, 2003 02:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it's me! I know it says Fajita2 but it's me. I am out of town for the wake and funeral for my grandma. I really liked what you told me in my thread

And I like the comic too

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