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poops
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posted January 13, 2003 07:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Everyone,
A good friend of mine has just been introduced to Astrology and as I have given him as much info as I can do, I was wondering if anybody wished to take a look at his chart to get different opinions, as he is so eager to ' know ' everything and I know he'd really appreciate any insights that anyone can come up with....

If your interested, feel free to add your insights and I will pass them on to him as he is a real inquisitive sponge at the moment and just loves to learn whatever he can

His D.O.B 6th May 1977 ( 2:10 am ) Sydney Austrlia.

Also a question that I need to clear up for him........Would I read his sun as being in the 2nd or 3rd house and do I also read his Neptune and Moon as the 9th or 10th house???

Thanks to all in advance as I know he'd appreciate any info that you wish to contribute.

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posted January 14, 2003 06:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone????

Pretty Pleeeeaaaase.....

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posted January 14, 2003 06:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
G'Day Poops

I'm really sorry - I very much a beginner and I can't give you any personalised advice - but what I can suggest is that you go to <www.astro.com>. This is poss the best Astrology site you can visit... just type in your details and you get a report on the major aspects...

Another thing i can suggest - seeing we live in the same country and all I bought the BEST book the other day - called "Astrology for Dummies" By Rae Orion... sounds like the, well, dumbest book on earth but it is SOOOO good coz it's like a cookbook - taking you through chart analysis step by step - so you can come out the other end with a chart almost fully analysed Anyway - it worked for me

Take care and good luck - he must be a nice bloke - being a Taurus and all

LOL
Nebel

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posted January 15, 2003 12:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Nebel,
Thanks for your reply...I have checked 'him' out on astro.com and forwarded this info onto him, but he just wants to know EVERYTHING and I'm afraid that I am not that advanced in Astrology yet, so I thought others with more knowledge might be able to tell him more.

And, YES, he is a great guy...Taurus and all


Thanks again!

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morgana
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posted January 26, 2003 06:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a quick response...

I'm not sure whether this is what you need to know, but:

If a planet is within 5 degrees of the house cusp, it's considered to be in the next house already. For example, if I have Sun in 26 degrees of the 1st house, it's interpreted as to be in the 2nd house.

Sorry about my grammar...

morgana

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poops
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posted January 27, 2003 06:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Morgana ,

Hmmm, now I'm confused???

I think his Sun should be taken as being in the 3rd house and also his Neptune and moon in the 10th....would you agree with this?

I'm not 100% sure if they are within 5 degrees of the house cusp?

Thanks for your help

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posted January 28, 2003 02:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Morgana,

I think that would make his sun in the 3rd house, and also Jupiter and Neptune in the 10th, does that sound right to you?

Thanks

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posted January 28, 2003 09:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, poops!

Yes, the Sun is in the 3rd, it's almost in exact conjunction with the cusp of the 3rd house, so that would make its influence in this house stronger than any other planet in this house (that's the general rule).

Jupiter is in the 3rd, yes, and Neptune is in the 10th house, it's influence also being stronger because it is in conjunction with the MC.
And his Pluto is in the 8th house, not in the 7th.

At least this is what I've been taught...

I see he has a double grand trine: Mars-Neptune-Saturn and Venus-Neptune-Saturn. This has some relevance, but I'm not really sure what, maybe you should check it out here (although I don't know much about this site):
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/GrandTrine15.2.htm

morgana


He is quite an artistic person, isn't he, with Asc. in Pisces, Sun in Taurus and Neptune on the MC?
Is he a very emotional, assertive and lound talker in spite of his quiet Pisces Ascendant?

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posted January 28, 2003 05:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Morgana,

Thanks for clarifying the houses for me.

I'm not too sure if he is artistic or not, but he has been very successful in business at a very young age. He is extremely confident and radiates warmth and wisdom, far beyond his age.

He was the head honcho for a motor racing team, but has decided that this is not his calling, and seems to be in the middle of an awakening, of sorts.

He is not loud, but is assertive in a non threatening way. He seems to have a very romantic nature and is quite a chick magnet.

I'm off to check out his grand trine.
So, I pressume a grand trine is when there are three or more planets in the same element???

Thanks again for your help Morgana, he'll love it!


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posted January 29, 2003 05:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, poops!

OOps, I don't know about the elements... But a grand trine is when three planets are connected to each other with a trine.
For example, he has Mars trine Neptune, Neptune trine Saturn and Saturn trine Neptune, and this makes out a big triangle (a grand trine) in his chart, you'll see it.

Thanks for telling me about what he's like. I'm just learning, you know, comparing what people with different chart placements are like in real life. It's one thing to read it in a chart and quite another to see what they're like in person, that's what I've discovered anyway when I was starting to learn astrology and was too clever for my own good

Wish him luck for me!

morgana

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posted January 29, 2003 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Poops Hi Morgana
A Grand trine is a combination of both things. The trines as you said Morgana (which will show on your natal chart as a blue triangle if you look at your chart on astro.com). Grand trine will be in one element only.
ie: Fire Grand Trine, Water Grand Trine, Earth or Air.
Sue

PS: You can have more than one Grand Trine in a chart and they could be in different elements eg: Fire Grand Trine and an Earth Grand Trine.

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posted January 29, 2003 05:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really?

So if you have three planets connected with trines, and they're not all in the same element, that is not a grand trine?

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posted January 29, 2003 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Morgana
I'm "up to my neck in something" (workwise) at the moment...but I'll copy and paste some info below for you
Sue

Grand Trine
The Grand Trine is a 3rd Harmonic aspect, and occurs when three planets are in the same element (Fire, Earth, Air or Water), each forming a Trine to the others. A Grand Trine forms an equilateral triangle, and in Sacred Geometry, the equilateral triangle is said to represent the level of pure being. In this manner, a Grand Trine is similar to a planet being in a sign that it rules: when a planet is in its rulership, it is operating on the level of pure being and on its own terms. While this may be good for the planet, it's not always easy for an individual to integrate this energy. A Grand Trine, then, is the pure expression of an element.

Trines in general, and even Grand Trines in particular have a reputation for being wonderful, positive, enjoyable aspects. This reputation is not entirely deserved, however. Each aspect has its own nature and function, and none are better or worse than others. The nature of the Trine is ease and harmony, and Trines represent a constant, open and effortless flow of energy between the two planets (or three planets in the case of a Grand Trine). Trines do certainly indicate talents, and they are certainly comfortable aspects because they are always there, always operating, and never require any conscious effort to maintain. The challenge with Trines comes when we try and control or stop the flow of energy, to change the patterns of behavior encouraged by the Trine. This is even more difficult with a Grand Trine, because the three planets are linked in a closed circuit of energy that is able to build up a tremendous amount of momentum.

Grand Trines can often feel like too much of a good thing. Because they are so easy and comfortable, and because they truly represent the easy way out, they can discourage us from exploring and developing the more challenging areas of our charts and of our lives. More than that, we have a tendency to take Grand Trines for granted; Trines are notoriously lazy, and Grand Trines often represent vast untapped potential. The talent is there, the creativity is there; what is missing is the drive to make use of it. Grand Trines often seem to illustrate the maxim "what we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly."

There are four different types of Grand Trine ­ one for each element.

FIRE. Grand Trines in Fire tend to be extremely active. The element of Fire expresses through action and activity. Individuals with a Grand Trine in Fire may always be on the go, and also must learn not to over-extend themselves. The element of Fire, like a flame, will burn as hot as it can until all of its fuel is gone. A Grand Trine in Fire can often contribute to an impulsive nature; it can also indicate a tendency towards absolute honesty, since the Fire Signs can only express themselves from their true nature and are incapable of deception. Grand Trines in Fire can be very intense, and emphasize the tendency of the Fire signs towards expansive and sometimes explosive expressions of joy or anger. Individuals with a Grand Trine in Fire must learn to conserve their energy, and to explore the full range of emotional expression rather than simply expressing the most intense and primal emotions.

EARTH. Grand Trines in Earth, on the other hand, tend to be the least active. The element of Earth is associated with the material plane, and individuals with a Grand Trine in Earth will tend to be very grounded and practical in their approach. Earth signs enjoy structure, and routine, and security, and a Grand Trine in Earth is the most likely of the Grand Trines to become addicted to certain behavior patterns. Earth signs are extremely sensual, and enjoy all of the physical pleasures and creature comforts that the material world has to offer. A Grand Trine in Earth seems to say that if it feels good, then do it, and this aspect pattern can generate a wide range of excuses and rationalizations to make changing bad habits (quitting smoking, for example, or sticking to a diet) that much more difficult. Although a Grand Trine in Earth can indicate creative and artistic talent, as well as the ability to realize and manifest ideas in a tangible way, the challenge to actually take action rather than indulge in comforting activities is always present.

AIR. The element of Air relates to the mental and the social realm. Individuals with a Grand Trine in Air tend to be extremely social and relationship-oriented. Air signs are all about making connections, about forming ideas, and about expanding our understanding of the world. All of the Air signs are double signs, and therefore all of the Air signs have an inherent understanding of duality and seek to find the balance between opposites, to discover the connection between them. With a Grand Trine in Air, an individual would tend to have a very active mind, and to be the most comfortable operating in a detached, objective, and theoretical manner. While Air signs enjoy a wide variety of social contacts and exchange of ideas, Air signs are not comfortable with emotions, particularly with the more intense and powerful ones. Air prefers to move quickly along the surface, rather than explore too deeply. Grand Trines in Air prefer talking about things and thinking about them to actually taking any action, and because of the swift-moving nature of the element of Air, these individuals may tend to have a rather short attention span. It may be less that they find it difficult to focus on one task for any length of time, and more that they don't see any need to do so (another rationalization courtesy of a Grand Trine).

WATER. The element of water relates to the emotional and spiritual realm. Individuals with a Grand Trine in Water tend to be extremely sensitive to emotions, both their own, and those of others. The Water signs each operate on the deepest, the most unconscious, and ultimately the most transformative levels. Individuals with a Grand Trine in Water are likely to trust their instincts and their intuition, and to make choices and take action in their lives based on how they feel. These individuals tend to be very in tune with the spiritual and psychic realms. The planets involved in the Grand Trine will largely determine how openly these individuals are able to express their feelings, but whether or not they feel comfortable wearing their hearts on their sleeves, individuals with Grand Trines in Water go through life feeling things intensely. This depth and intensity of emotions, however, can often result in oversensitivity, and excessive emotional drama. Individuals with Grand Trines in Water may be at their best when there is a crisis, when someone needs help and someone is there to care for them (and either role is perfectly acceptable to a Grand Trine in Water). These individuals may tend to try and create a crisis, however, in order to experience the healing, the transformation and the emotional energy.

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posted January 29, 2003 05:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Sue, Hi Morgana,

Thank You both for your help, I'm sure he'll love to hear about this!

It certainly seems like a nice asset to have.

These Grand Trines sound pretty cool, wish we all had them!


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posted January 29, 2003 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Poops
You've very welcome....
Grand trines....yup I have 2 both in fire....
BUT I do have a T-Square.....zzzzzzzz
Which actually explains my current legal situation......dam...gotta watch that T-Square...wish I'd known about it 15 years ago before I got involved with my ex

Actually a chart with just Grand Trines and no T-squares isn't necessarily that great. Grand Trines show where things come easy to us...sometimes so easy that we take them for granted and can become "lazy" with regards to those things. Usually a chart with Grand Trines needs a T-Square to "kick it's ass" into action
Sue

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morgana
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posted January 30, 2003 05:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Sue!

Hi, poops! (again )


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poops
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posted February 01, 2003 05:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Sue,
You go "kick ass" girl!

Hey Sue, do I happen to have one of these Grand Trines? Or a T-Square for that matter?
Sorry, I know I should probably know that, but I don't!

Hi Morgana ( again )


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posted February 02, 2003 04:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Poops
No you don't have any Grand Trines in your natal chart....no T-Squares either.

Sue

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posted February 03, 2003 02:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Sue!

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