posted February 16, 2003 06:21 PM            

Are you sure your Leo Moon makes you lazy and dogmatic?

Mine's at 14* Leo, trines Mars, sextiles Jupiter, conjuncts Pluto, conjuncts the Midheaven, conjuncts Chiron and joins my Leo Sun in the midheaven. But that doesn't make me "dogmatic"

posted February 16, 2003 07:13 PM              

I've a Leo moon, it conjuncts Pluto and Jupiter, opposes my Sun in Pisces and squares Saturn in Sag. I'm very lazy unless something takes my interest and then I become obsessed for a while until I get bored.

posted February 17, 2003 01:01 PM              

Wow, a Leo sun AND moon! What's your rising?

I also have a tremendous pride, sometimes. but I think all of the air in my chart helps me let things go and forget about them once all is said and done.

I found this online, pretty interesting and it's from www.indigoray.net

Moon in Leo
Fire Sign

The number one emotional detriment to the Leonine Moon is their pride and their ego. Because they are also one of the four fixed signs, the phrase “pride goeth before a fall” is a slogan for these rather emotionally stubborn Moon signs.

As a Fire sign they are full of passion and often express their emotions physically. Leonine Moons are likely to be people who have no trouble with public displays of affection. They are often the initiator in a relationship and in control of its physical expression. Like their companion, Aries, in the Fire sign triplicity, instant gratification is essential.

As lunar Fire sign personalities, those with Moon in Leo are magnanimous and passionate in the expression of their feelings. Unfortunately, Leo’s tendency for exaggeration can lead to being viewed as insincere. The excitement of a particular moment may cause them to sincerely and passionately say or do things that may later be forgotten.

They have difficulty distinguished emotions from ego. It is ego that prompts them to consciously or subconsciously dominate emotional relationships. For those of us who work with a Leonine Moon personality, it would be wise to exercise caution. Above all do not wound the pride of a Leo. This is a case of catching more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Leo Moon personalities can be extremely stubborn. They have purpose, determination, and tenacity when it comes to getting what they want. Strongly idealistic, they are capable of great personal sacrifice for causes in which they passionately believe. If proven that the cause that they believed in was deceptive, if will often take the Leonine Moon forever to come to the conclusion because of their pride. Again, tenacity and stubbornness come into play.

They are very assertive when it comes to protecting not only their own freedom, but the rights and freedoms of others. They have a jealous nature, though they are not particularly possessive. When a romance ends, they are more apt to suffer from a wounded ego than a broken heart. Leonine Moons are likely to have artistic talent, or at least great interest in art, architecture, and design.

Famous Women Leonine Moon Signs: Bambi Bembenik, Bernadette, Jacqueline Bisset, Lizzie Borden, Lucrezia Borgia, Catherine Deneuve, Marlene Dietrich, Faye Dunaway, Jane Fonda, Anne Frank, Ruth Gordon, Martha Graham, Queen Latifah, Gypsy Rose Lee, Eva Peron, Julia Roberts, Jane Seymour, Gloria Steinem, Margaret Thatcher and Twiggy.

posted February 18, 2003 12:48 AM            

No dear, I'm not making fun of you and thanks for posting the Moon in Leo info. I assume that interpretation is for Moon in Leo with a fire sign Sun?

My rising is Scorpio

posted February 18, 2003 05:08 PM            

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But that doesn't make me "dogmatic"

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LOL!
Excuse me, jwhop, but I beg to differ.

Dictionary.com describes dogmatic as -Characterized by an authoritative, arrogant assertion of unproved or unprovable principles.

You've put forth some pretty authorative opinions on a couple other threads and when I've tried to debate the validity of those assertations you don't seem to respond. I can only assume it's because you can't prove your point.

Sorry to jump in on your thread here but I just had to laugh when I read your statement there, jwhop. It gets back to that thing I mentioned on the starhawk thread about our shadow self. We all have them, it's like our blind spot in our inner world and you've just displayed it perfectly here.

I don't say this to get on your bad side, even though with my Scorpio moon and Leo rising I probably wouldn't have to do much to rub you the wrong way, I say it only because if you are on this site it must mean that you are interested in personal evolution and yet some of the statements you have made around here smack of ignorance and primitivism. I'm just trying to help you on your journey and I would hope you would do the same for me when I need to be called on stuff.

posted February 18, 2003 07:04 PM            

Leave it to you to find an off brand and corrupted dictionary. If you had taken the trouble to check a front-line dictionary, Merriam-Webster to be exact, you would have found a different definition for dogmatic. Even so, I have no problem with you calling me dogmatic as long as you don't object to me tagging you as a collectivist. You have managed to establish those credentials rather well.

You didn't read the post with understanding Harpyr, have to work on that you know. We were talking about Moon in Leo. What I said was that, ("Moon in Leo"), doesn't make me dogmatic. Could be Mars in Aries, you know.

I didn't mean to slight you by not responding immediately to your posts. Someone has to keep the wheels of commerce rolling or we won't be able to pay for the coming removal of Saddam Hussein.

No reason your Leo rising and Moon in Scorpio should be a problem between us Harpyr. As soon as you get past your affection for discredited collectivist institutions, everything will be fine Neither do I have a bad side--well, I do favor the right profile over the left

By the way, whoever told you the United States is a democracy?

posted February 18, 2003 10:50 PM              

Now, I have Leo Moon and Scorpio Rising. I am not lazy, but a procrastinator, big time.

I would also like to add that exaggeration is a Jupiter quality, therefore more prone to Sagitarrius, rather than Leo. All the Fire signs prefer honesty over deception, that is a trait of Fire.

Also, strong opinions are a trait with any of the fixed signs, therefore, Scorpio, Leo (and their opposites) give rise to opinions, which are not necessarily dogmatic. Although dogma can refer to stubborn holding of tenets or beliefs which aren't proven, it is a matter of semantics and I tend to view dogma in light of church teachings, or in the religous sense, as that is the common use of the word, in my opinion based on my stubborn, opinionated Leo Moon and Scorpio Rising.

to all of you!!

posted February 18, 2003 11:53 PM            

Least you could do is join my side since you started this thread. After all, you've been slandered along with me. I don't think our definition of dogmatic matches Harpyr's.

Hey, tell you what, when the "vast right wing conspiracy" emails the talking points of the day to me, I'll forward them on to you. The secret decoder program, takes about a week---discrete knock on the door, man dressed in black gives recognition siganl--"Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the biggest sap of all"--your counter sign is
Marx.

Or, do you plan to sit on the sidelines and stir the pot?

Hi Donna, I learned something new. Didn't know you're a Leo Moon, Scorp rising too. Want to join the "vast right wing conspiracy"?

Thanks for clearing up dogmatic and exaggeration. Didn't even get close, my Jupiter's in Gemini. Have you checked Harpyr's Jupiter---probably Sagittarius.

Well, I don't know about "opinionated" Donna. I tend to think of it in terms of "thoughtful"

jwhop

posted February 19, 2003 12:00 AM              

I think I'll just continue to stir the pot a bit...whatever concoction this is doesn't seem to be quite done yet. And besides jwhop, I think you're holding your own just fine...just fine...hehe

My retro Jupiter is in Leo.

And you know...I started this thread to talk about Leo Moons, not political conspiracies (though it's a fun read!).

I'm one who can admit that I simply don't have enough of a knowledge base to argue intelligently on such matters. Often times, I'm just too shallow for my own good and try to veer away from arguing issues that can never be solved by arguing alone...like politics and religion. This is not to say that I don;t have opinions (and strong ones sometimes), and I certainly know that to stand idly by is often worse for a cause, but I'm still undecided in my views and for me to make uninformed judgements would be far worse.

posted February 19, 2003 12:44 AM              

Now I went and read through that dern (thanks Proxy, wherever you are) thread about the Anti-American sentiments.

Ok, I just edited this post after re-reading that whole thread.

You guys...

*Quickly steps back from the bubbling cauldron before it becomes too tempting*

posted February 19, 2003 06:10 PM            

To try to bring this back to Leo moons..my best friend growing up had a Leo moon and Scorpio rising too. And she too leans heavily to the right-wing side of things.
So this sparring we've had going on, jwhop, has been reminding me strongly of a debate that has been ongoing between her and I for many years.
When I bring up certain points that she has trouble coming up with a viable argument against she plays the conspiracy card too.
It's like a knee jerk reaction when the heat gets too close that alot of right wingers like to cry.
History has shown though that whenever major things like Pearl Harbor, Iran-Contra, the Bay of Pigs, etc. the White House never tells the full truth. 9-11, and now the coming war in Iraq are no different.
Funny how all those corporate scandals that were alittle to close for comfort to major players in the bush Administration have now entirely dropped off the radar of mainstream America. Pretty convienent, no?
Okay, I will leave the political talk to other threads now, I'm sorry to take this one off topic