posted March 01, 2003 03:55 PM              

How can a person either

a) make an 11th House Saturn in Virgo ( 23°43'35) that's in an opposition with their 5th House Sun in Pisces (22°40'46) work for them? What if their 2nd House Neptune in Sag (at 22°38'17) forms a tight square with that same Sun? How about if their Saturn Squares their Neptune by 1°05 (although I guess that was implied by the above figures)?

or

b) allow those above dynamics to work whatever wonderful magic lie within them?

Thank you very, very much to whoever can help

as it's my novice impression that Saturn and Neptune aren't necessarily the most breezily compatible roommates/co-workers,

Corri

posted March 11, 2003 04:38 PM              

The Piscean Sun exemplifies the word "sensitivity", for better or worse. At its most challenging it can be a vulnerability, a taking on of other people's problems and then feeling guilty if you don't or can't help them. This could be amplified if, for example, the rising sign is Libra with its emphasis on fairness. At it's most positive the Piscean Sun is an awareness that eludes most other people.

The Sun-Saturn Opposition may relate to feelings of restricted or frustrated energy expression. Someone or something may be perceived as limiting life direction.

The Square to Neptune adds a nebulous quality to the aspect, making it challenging to accurately assess the situation.

In many ways, Saturn and Neptune are polar extremes. Whereas Saturn represents structure and rigid form, Neptune is totally nebulous and impossible to pin down. One possible interpretation would be losing focus or groundedness. On a more positive note, it could also be "giving substance to the dream".

Hope this helps.

posted March 16, 2003 08:55 AM              

Thanks for the moral support

donmcbroom -

Awesome-blossom, I'm happy to know that you're around and I'm glad to meet you

I apologize for it taking me so long to respond - I was out of town for the week in an area that had no available internet connection.

And doubly thank you for giving both the potentially positive and negative sides of the placements/aspects.

In many ways, Saturn and Neptune are polar extremes. Whereas Saturn represents structure and rigid form, Neptune is totally nebulous and impossible to pin down. (A) One possible interpretation would be losing focus or groundedness. (B)On a more positive note, it could also be "giving substance to the dream".
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(A)Worry and anxiety regarding lovability, self-worth issues need to find anchor and learn to distinguish what "might be happening" from what the pure facts are. The imagination can easily conjure up things to be insecure about, (B) but can also be a more postitive, take-charge attitude allowing the person to visualize how things can and will be.

I actually vacillate a bit between approaches "a" and "b" in both excerpts...so I guess I just have to learn to lean more towards the latter.
I do have the benefit(?) of an 3rd House Aqua Moon and 1st House Uranus and then Scorp Rising and Leo Mars in the 10th (conj. my MC and pert dern close to my NN) - so I may have given myself some rope to work (or hang myself...lol) with.

I looked-up your site, too: some more articles for study

posted March 16, 2003 09:59 AM              

Thanks for the feedback.

Often I find that just by making clients aware of the polarities of various measurements that they have already experienced both extremes to some degree.

But when they ARE aware, their free will and the quality of their conscious decisions can help to guide them to their highest potential.

Thanks for checking out my Web site and I'm very glad you enjoyed it.

posted March 16, 2003 03:45 PM              

I see your T-square gives you a lot of struggles. As much as Sun in the 5th house makes you full of love for people, animals,pleasures and lovers, as much saturn in 11th house tends to shatter down your hopes and wishes. Its like everything starts glorious and blissful and ends up in tears. Neptune at the apex of that T-square only makes you blindfoled for the real reason why the things doesnt work when love is concerned.
Saturn in 11th house makes for a very few friends and also makes you un-sociable and unwilling to attend huge parties and places where a lot of people gathers and you will be supposed to socialize with them. Your friends may be only a few, but if you have any- they are usually from your childwhood and very relable, usually older then you.

posted March 19, 2003 05:44 PM              

That's what a T-Square is...

Thank you for "typing too much"

Re: the following:
What I am trying to say is that you, my dear, gotta find a nice guy with a major planet, even better a stellium, at 22'Gemini, which will fill in the empty leg and transform your 3-legged T-square into a 4-legged chair

That would explain my disturbing attraction to Gemini guys...
So, again, thank you - even if your post hadn't been helpful in any other way (and it was), that's good to know.

Jumping back - Bah, I don't think that the T's as bad as all that. There's always a way to work with something, it's just a matter of finding the material that can be molded inherint in whatever's being approached.
For instance, my Saturn might be in part a handy mechanism that keeps me from getting too close to people too quickly; 'cause, with my other planetary influences, I tend to become those that I'm close to - not completely, but nearly always to an extent, and never intentionally, and I feel intensely their own sorrows and happiness.
Even with people I don't know I often find their mannerisms seeping into my action.
So, there: Saturn as a helpful partner -
I could even say that it in my 11th gives a good thwap to my 10th House Jupiter and Mars (and 5th House Sun), preventing me from rushing too quickly, helping me to slowly build the sturdy foundations necessary for their grand plans.
And my Neptune...let's see...
Well, like donmc said, my Saturn dancing with it may ground its fantasies; it may help it to scale them down to realizable (but still wonderfully fantastic) size.
I bet that T-Sq accounts for some of my more precognitive dreams, and for my intuitions and rune reading. And, heck, it couldn't've hurt while I was compiling this list of attributes ( )

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Add: See:
In the astrology course it says that
"Neptune Square Sun: You may be overly vulnerable emotionally. There is also a possibility of escapism into a fantasy world resulting in a loss of reality. You may suffer from low self-esteem because you cannot realize your ideals. This may be because you have difficulty in focusing your energies and identifying your goals."

And I betcha a dollar that my Saturn Sq., while prolly not helping out too terribly much in the confidence dept. (although, geez, with my Leonine placements I'd be insufferable if there wasn't some dampener), puts some weight on my tendency towards escapism and some thrust towards focusing my dissapated energies.
Yeah.
I rock.

posted March 19, 2003 11:05 PM              

Re: People with a T-square are never lazy, these are one hell of firecrackers...
That's funny - I threatened to kick this one Georgetown student's arse for making fun of my accent; and then when this other guy came and completely disrespected my team's basic humanity, I held my tongue for a moment but then got this amazing rush of energy and...well, it wasn't all that nice. The site leader @ the Hab site I worked on last week described me as "wirey".

Hm. Very, very interesting - cause the planets and houses involved are

2nd House - Neptune in Sag
5th House - Sun in Pisces
11th House - Saturn in Virgo
And the "empty house" - 8th House Ruled by Gemini, and with the 22nd deg. of sign w/i it

I'll think about that on and off for a while - just let the facts swirl around to see how they come together.

Iiii'm all excited now.

posted March 23, 2003 10:20 AM              

I do include the ASC, MC, and Nodes as far as T-Squares are concerned.