posted April 22, 2003 09:49 AM              

Actually I saw a mixture (can I do that?!) between Libra and Scorpio.

posted April 24, 2003 08:53 AM              

I had my pic up in the photo album... though, as shy (??) as I am.. I removed it.

posted April 24, 2003 11:25 AM            

Anyway, that's pretty interesting about the ASC descriptions. I have a Virgo rising, but I also have a large mouth and full lips. I almost towards the edge of the ASC and should I have been born 15-20 minutes later, I would have a Libra ASC.

The description of Aries seems more typical of me (I have an Aries Moon and Sag Sun), with the high cheek bones and even a few moles on my face. (I am sure that race / ethnicity also plays into things).

I wonder if those of us that have Pluto (or other planets) conjunct ASC may have to factor those characteristics into the equation.

We have a Knowflakes photo album if you want to check out some of the rising signs and their pics.

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"Lahn dádzaayú nahikai leh ni' nyelíí k'ehge," Goyathlay (Geronimo)

"Once we moved like the Wind"

posted April 27, 2003 08:01 AM            

Agreeing to differ is very difficult for many people.

posted April 27, 2003 12:29 PM              

I looked at all the descriptions. I have large round eyes... not bulging. They are penetrating. One of my friends who is into astrology swears that she sees Libra with Scorpio?? I looked at the Virgo traits... I don't have a single one.

I'm short"ish". I have the naturally curly hair. My mouth is sort of pouty... I remember a few people asking me why I frown?!... I'm NOT!!

Also, I've heard that a Libra Asc. will have to watch their figures?? I do! I'm not over weight... curving... I keep up on a work out routine.

I don't have the pale complection that's noted for a scorp.

I don't know... I'm rather shy I think. Yet, not always!

I've had my chart read by J.W. and he has me at Libra rising. Also, he was extremely accurate in what he told me. I won't lie about it... as that's really not a virtue I'm that good at anyway!

Hey Ms. Pidaua!

posted April 27, 2003 12:35 PM            

Re you saying:
"is not an opinion--it's a conviction, based on firm and solid evidence!"

I never said that your "opinions" weren't based on anything.....I said "we should agree to differ". I studied (and continue to do so) astrology at the same Faculty as Liz Greene. I doubt anyone disputing that she knows a thing or two about astrology
So you see my "opinions" are not something I've just "dreamt up".

You also made a lot of other points in your post....

"Please do not think that I am trying to tell you or anyone else what to do or choose--or that I am claiming to be an authority on astrology--I am not and never have done so!"

I never said you were.

You also said....
"I only say, and have said, that I know (I LEARNED)the means by which one can get totally functional horoscopes."

I don't dispute that and I am open to listening to you and also seeing the difference in the 5 charts you have kindly offered to look at for people on this site. Having studied astrology myself, I am always open to other peoples thoughts, ideas, studies etc etc. I'm not about to throw everything I've learnt out of the window without seeing some kind of proof.

I can feel your frustration and that you most certainly strongly believe in everything you're saying. That's demonstrated by your need to put certain words in capital letters - that comes over as you shouting your point across. What I will say however is that your posts do come over a bit "preachy" and you "appear" to be very "rigid" in your views.

eg: Virgo Rising and the thin lips/small mouth. You answered my post by saying if I don't have a small thin mouth then I cannot be Virgo Rising. On that point I said we should agree to differ because I most certainly am a Virgo Rising and I do not have a small mouth and thin lips.

You also said.....
"tell such a person that I do not know what I am talking about--and who says so out of opinion, not fact".

How can you say that other people on this site are saying things out of opinion and not facts? How well do you know everyone on this site? What do you know about them in the little time you have been posting here?
So aren't you being a bit judgmental yourself?

Finally you said.....
"I don't mind having disagreement, as long has it's intelligent disagreement--meaning: non-opinionated, but factual disagreements--where we can come to an understanding by factual knowledge--WHEN IT APPLIES TO FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE--using evidence to support what one says".

Please understand that that statement of yours is a "two way street" - it works both ways.

So you see your last post has forced me to go through it bit by bit answering and making comments because you could not accept the fact that I said we should agree to differ re the Virgo rising and my mouth.

I am also interested in knowing how you do your chart rectifications. You've asked for major points in people's lives. Which is the way I know a chart rectification is usually done in order to assess a correct birth time. So how does the rectification you do differ from that?

Please understanding, I am not attacking or disputing what you say. I am asking for more clarification.
Sue

posted April 27, 2003 01:43 PM            

Thank you for your response. I am a saggie sun sign with a big mouth and full lips. LOL....and yes, I do suffer from Hoof and Mouth on lot's of occasions. LOL One thing I have noticed, which may be a result of the Virgo rising, I do look around 25 even though my age is 33. I still get carded and I had one EPA guy in my office ask how someone in their early 20's get to be a Sr. Research Associate / Product Manager. He hit the floor when I told him my true age. Gotta love Oil of Olay!!! hee hee (Actually, both my parents look about 10 years younger than they really are).

Hi Cat!!! How are you? My Virgo ex has a full mouth too, but two of the Virgo men I work with have skinny lips and tiny mouths. I would have a hard time kissing someone with a tiny mouth, I would feel like a human plunger. LOL...I crack myself up!!!

Hi Ms. Scorp,

How's your weekend going? I am dying to hear how Lost Leo faired with weekend in Vegas!

See ya,

posted April 27, 2003 06:57 PM              

I took a look at your pic. You are an attractive lady! I can't help it... I see something attractive and I HAVE to comment on it!

Weekend is going pretty good. Getting caught up on a few things. Hope yours went well!

Also, you don't look 33! Not that that's old.. because it isn't. However, you look my age!

posted April 28, 2003 05:09 AM            

I'm slightly when you say....

"I was born in Bronx [Woodlawn], NY and having the coordinates in degrees and minutes only [40N54, 73W52] will produce my ASC of 16° 43' 03" and MC [having intercepted 4th and 10th houses] at 27° 00' 08", verses having the exact coordinates: 40N53:40, 73W51:43, which will produce my at ASC: 16° 43' 03" and MC 27° 08' 00"--see the difference?!"

posted April 28, 2003 09:19 AM              

Alright, here goes... I am a Scorpio... my asc. has always said Libra. Now, if the asc. can only go in reverse from Libra.. how do I have so many of the Scorpio traits?

I understand that due to being my sun sign that I would possess some physical traits. However, I possess quite a few!