posted May 01, 2003 07:46 AM              

I couldn't have put it better, myself.
My Leo bestfriend and Saggi mate constantly tease me about my 'leaky eyes' and 'mushy' ways. However, when crisis strikes or they get burned by their own flames, who do they run to for cool relief? The same 'soft' Fish they love to make fun of!
Why did I choose a Pisces Sun? Because I kNOW my own strength!

posted May 01, 2003 12:34 PM              

This...Pisces energy...bonds us so tightly, loving so deeply. We've been (and are still going) through so many challenges that others around us shake their head and wonder. Being "the mom"...I'm weary to the bone, I can tell you. Thank goodness for the spirituality of Pisces...it keeps all three of us going.

I have pondered my soul's choices before coming here many, many times, and yes, fate seems to play a major role.

Lunargirl, what beautiful insight. "Laughing while you cried"...that describes my daughters and me perfectly.

...And yet...as the saying goes, "That which does not kill makes you strong". Last year, my older daughter (Pisces Moon) experienced so many serious hardships, by the time she graduated HS she received a "Courage in Adversity" scholarship award. And now, my younger daughter's (Pisces Sun) health problem. Please continue to keep her in your prayers. Sorry I rambled; I can think of little else these days.

posted May 02, 2003 12:11 AM              

Thats not to say other signs can't do the same, it's just that Pisces people have more of an advantage in discovering the more spiritual side of life.

As a Pisces, it's your only advantage, and strength against all other signs. So don't be sad that Pisces, seems weak, be happy becuase those higher powers are just asking to be remembered.

I hate it when Pisces, gets pushed around by astrologers, who keep commenting on how Pisces are more likely to be drug addicts, and lazy people who can't keep jobs. Or that we're too romantic, and fantasy prone. All I can say is, it's very hard to be a Pisces, and we shouldn't be put down for our weaknesses. You know, they need to kiss our butts, and leave us alone, that's what people need to know about Pisces.

-Starlover

posted May 02, 2003 12:55 AM              

I am sure there are many who will disagree with me on that. But anyone who follows popular rock music knows how Kurt and Nirvana changed the direction of rock music for ever. He was a genious. It was such a tradgedy to lose him.

From what I remember he was Pisces, Pisces Rising and a Cancer moon. He had Mecury, Venus and Saturn in Pisces, Jupiter in Cancer and Mars and Neptune in Scorpio. I think he also had two Grand Trines in water.

I guess all that water in his chart was a blessing from an artistic perspective but probably ultimately why he took his own life.

(sigh)

Much Love,

Heidi

posted May 02, 2003 09:43 AM              

As for the drug influence with your sign... I do know a Pisces who has a problem. However, I know others that don't. I think it all depends on the person really.

I also really like hanging out with my Pisces friend... she allows me to be lazy and not give a hank what anyone thinks about it ! I sort of just become mush whenever she's around. Very relaxing.

posted May 02, 2003 10:04 AM              

I like Pisces a lot, and I admire its ability to swim in any patttern, regardless of current. That ability to cross boundaries (Pisces: "Boundary? What boundary?") is great, subtle power, utterly different from the Arien/warrior ideal. Although the women seem to cope better than men in this patriarchal society. The other 11 suns seem constituted to collide into each other (ego), whereas Pisces is the only one constituted to dissolve... like 11 different Nerf balls, and one big hole (sorry! so much for poetics! ).

Pisces is a sign of service, too... I personally know many who are healers, artists, or who carry the family shadow for other members, working out the family karma. The Virgo-Pisces axis is one of service. I have a 12th House Pisces Saturn (...sigh).

I imagine that a soul incarnates as a Pisces because it needs to experience integration and wholeness, merging with others rather than separation, and transcendence. That equal and non-judgemental capacity to experience bliss and self-negation, even self-abnegation. Without a structure it can flow either way. Beauty and despair as two sides of the same coin.

I never knew Kurt Cobain had that much water. He is missed.

posted May 02, 2003 05:06 PM              

Thanks, proxie for this thread! It *really* speaks to the piscean experience.

Also, is it just me, or has anyone else noticed there are not alot of Piscean men posting? It's interesting to note what Lunargirl said about the female coping better with this signs demands than the male counterpart.

And proxie, what you said:

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It's no small task to deal with the urge to dissolve, to have no ego - to be absorbed and become a part of...everything. But that's what we deal with daily. Others don't typically react well to those who see so many sides to any given situation that they've forgotten where they lie. And, really, how easy can it be to interact with someone who feels what everyone else around them is feeling, too? And who are we to complain? We understand the point of those who are frustrated with us, too.

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However, along with that ability comes the high sensitivity to others' energy, and I can just as easily soak up negative energy and then feel drained. Which can create a problem, because somehow, negative people tend to find that empathy comforting- so Pisces have to watch who they surround themselves with.... which is like imposing boundaries on someone who knows none (like Lunargirl mentioned), which brings you full circle... the Piscean predicament.

posted May 04, 2003 01:58 AM              

I have a question for you lunargirl... Earlier you said.."Pisces is a sign of service, too... I personally know many who are healers, artists, or who carry the family shadow for other members, working out the family karma. The Virgo-Pisces axis is one of service. I have a 12th House Pisces Saturn (...sigh)."

What is a Virgo-Pisces axis and what does it mean to carry the family shadow for other members..??????

posted May 04, 2003 03:52 AM              

The Zodiac has 12 signs, and one way of grouping them is to divide them across the 6 axes -- Aries/Libra, Taurus/Scorpio, Gemini/Sagittarius, Cancer/Capricorn, Leo/Aquarius, and Virgo/Pisces. You can think of each axis as a continuum where the same themes and interests are expressed in opposite ways, but with similar styles. Opposites who aren't as different as they might think.

This is a somewhat Jungian way of looking at astrology. It also takes into account the houses traditionally ruled by the signs, and includes the concerns and themes of the houses -- 1st/7th, 2nd/8th, 3rd/9th, 4th/10th, 5th/11th, 6th/12th. Virgo/Pisces is across the 6/12 house axis where the themes involve service, but service does not equal drudgery!

Aries/Libra represent the two ends of the spectrum of self/others and relationships, for example. Aries the individual needs to learn compromise (Libra) in order to lead groups, whereas Libra the compromiser and group person needs to learn about his/her individuality (Aries) to be a person. Different orientations, but surprisingly similar themes and challenges.

The Virgo/Pisces axis is traditionally about serving or helping others, though ways as varied as art, teaching, healing, to name only a very few. A Virgo computer systems analyst dedicated to improving a company mainframe is "serving" or helping others, and so is a Pisces dancer. But just as often you find a Virgo actor and a Pisces university administrator... etc etc etc. If Virgo is all about analysis and details, Pisces is synthesis and the whole (as I'm sure you know. ).

And when I said Pisces sometimes carries the shadow for other family members in working out the family karma, I mean that in my observation Pisces soaks up the problems and especially the secrets of the family -- any toxic leaks, guilt, the skeletons in the closet, etc.-- and internalizes it or lives it out in their own lives instead of the family member to whom this stuff actually belongs. They become the scapegoat for another's wrongs, or faults, or dark side. Like a son brought up by a father who was wild in his youth but pretends not to be, and then the son goes out and parties like crazy to escape the guilt and conflict he feels that he's picked up from his dad! Or when a child died, and nobody tells the Pisces about it -- somehow they know, and maybe live out the parents' depression for them. And I know Pisces women who developed ailments in their bodies that they later discovered was due to incest in their family -- even if it didn't happen directly to them. On the positive side, they can also become a healer for themselves, and sometimes for their family.

But "shadows" dissipate when Light and awareness shine their way... so once a Pisces carrying the family shadow realizes what they're doing, they can lay down that burden that doesn't belong to them. It's just that a little Pisces, well, they probably grew up playing happily with the skeletons in the family closet, so they might need time to figure out that these might have not been appropriate imaginary friends!

Hmmm, hope I made this clearer... did this make any sense to you thibolisa?

posted May 04, 2003 04:39 AM            

Pisces on the Ascendant and Virgo on the Descendant

Pisces rising can embody any of the various manifestations associated with this complex and elusive sign. Like the two fishes swimming in opposite directions in the glyph, the urge to form a concrete and solid sense of ego-identity conflicts with those forces which encourage the dissolution and transcendence of ego-boundaries. The resolution to this dilemma requires that the person with Pisces rising develop an identity which does not exclude the awareness of being part of something greater than the self. Too rigid a personality would make this impossible, and yet to diffuse an identity would create difficulties in effectively dealing with life. In the former situation, nothing beyond the ego –boundaries could filter into the awareness, while in the later case, the person is overwhelmed by his or her sensitivity and openness. The dangers are inflexibility on the one hand and chaos and disintegration on the other.

Pisces on the Ascendant may manifest on any of the three levels traditionally associated with this sign: the victim, the artist or the healer/saviour. The victim does not cope well with the more difficult realities of the world and seeks an escape route or crutch – perhaps turning to drugs or alcohol as a way of release. Vague and confused, Pisces rising may flow with whatever is happening, letting other people make choices for them. Some may try to escape the net of daily tedium and entrapment within traditional societal frameworks, turning to crime, underground activity and villainous behaviour.
However, another expression of this sign on the Ascendant is the artistic type. Inspired by the imaginal realms of the psyche, the artist channels his or her perceptions through some sort of medium. The third level, the healer or saviour, dedicates the life to serving others, endeavouring to make real a vision of life glimpsed in a more expanded state of consciousness. Pain “out there” in the world is felt as their own pain. On all three levels, to varying degrees, this Ascendant is taken over by something which obliterates or supersedes a more mundane existence or limited view of life.

A keynote for Pisces rising is the sacrifice of the personal will. However, if taken to an extreme, those with this Ascendant may repeatedly set up situations through which others take advantage of them. Besides being trampled on like the proverbial doormat, a lack of clear prohibitions and boundaries often means abandoning the self to emotions and appetites which in the long run are excessive and self-destructive. Virgo on the descendant provides the balancing principles of discrimination, common sense and a healthy respect of caution and limits. Others may need to provide these qualities but ultimately those with Pisces rising are much better off if they can find such traits within themselves. Some with this configuration will be so absorbed in spiritual ecstasies or high-flown missions that they will require partners to manage the more trivial and mundane necessities of everyday life (Virgo on the 7th). Sometimes the Pisces rising type will be so idealistic and romantic, that unconsciously they are highly critical and condemning of others (Virgo Descendant) for not living up to their expectations. Others with Pisces rising derive their identity solely through rescuing or serving others (Virgo on the 7th).

Physically, Pisces on the 1st may have a dreamy, romantic or mysterious quality in the face. The eyes may be large and almost like liquid. Often the overall features are soft and rounded. Like plastic, they can mould their looks into different shapes. In their manner, they may exude a receptivity and willingness-to-please allure, which charms and seduces others. Sometimes they exhibit such a degree of helplessness that others are inspired to come to their rescue.

posted May 09, 2003 04:28 PM              

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

posted May 09, 2003 09:20 PM              

Ithink the sols that are not ready to deal with their picean nature are the ones who abuse drugs and alcohol. Being Pices, you have to be willing to accept all the things that comes along with it...the intense emotion....and some people can't deal with that so they take the escapist route.

Self destructive behavior...I've had that too...but I feel like I used my Picean traits to overcome what I was predisposed to.

I would rather feel the emotion....there were times when I didn't so I have to be careful...especially with alcohol....I've never tried illegal drugs because I know it's just an addiction waiting to happen.

I'm a very spiritual person but I don't reveal this often in my everyday life.

I'm somewhat psychic too which can be really unsettling because I pick up on negative energies...death...illness...destruction....

Sometimes I view my picean traits as a curse...but also a blessing.

I am also a firm beliver that having a pices ascendant and moon...you're more "afflicted" than if you had a pices sun only....

posted May 10, 2003 12:14 AM              

You're right - it takes strength not to turn to escapism; that's what I was trying to say.
I wasn't referring to the easy outs of alchohol or drug use (both of which I, personally, don't indulge in often - I like them way too much), but of the equally available gentle languishing which I have seen overtake many a fish (especially including myself, on occasion).
Don't you ever just see *something* or feel *something* (it can be anything or everything, no matter), and wish - just for an instant - to let yourself be overtaken by each and every aspect of it?
I know I do -
I may even dabble a bit too much w/ that fire - swinging my hand in and out of it - just for a moment, a psychic glimpse, of that ecstatic sensation.

The hard part for us fish (or those w/ heavy Neptunian influence) is to not do so, to stay focused, and grounded; it's our greatest triumph to be able to remain a discrete Ego flowing through all else, and to be able to, then, bring ourselves back and relate the wonders we have seen.