posted July 03, 2003 05:15 PM              

Your grandmother was indeed a wise woman. Pidaua, the American Indians have much Knowledge of existence and the operation of human and spiritual life. They still have much to offer for those who have “ears”. However, as was indicated in another post, at times terminology confuses communication.

I did note this question when it was initially posted. However, I refrained from commenting since I am not here to step on anyone’s “sacred cows”. Now you and Pidaua have indicated that you already Know the broader aspects of this phenomenon.

It is possible for the soul to “die” while the human body continues to function. At this point, the person may simply be “vacant” with various, not so nice, energies working through him/her. Occasionally, the body is completely consumed by and inhabited by an entity, also not so nice.

These entities are not “dark souls”, in the sense that we may understand the term, although they too are part of what we call Creation. God created evil, but He does not approve of it.

Peace
Meili

posted July 03, 2003 05:55 PM              

Just to balance out the good? Why couldn't creation just be all good?

posted July 03, 2003 06:00 PM              

I do not have words to express my thankfulness to you.
I have struggled with this question for months. I hesitated to post it because I too am aware of "sacred cows". My teaching and inner kNOWledge often lead me in a very different direction from that which is accepted.
However, your words resonate in my deepest Heart. Many, many of todays teachings say that there is no evil, only 'bad' choices. Others, say that we are always in control of the darkness and negativity around us. I am afraid that I do not agree.
While I do beLIeVE we can LEARN to control those 'other' forces, or at the very least, protect ourS-elves from them; it is also my feeling that our ignorance of them or failure to ackNOWledge them, gives them quite a bit of room to 'play'. That is only my personal belief but I have seen enough evidence to confirm it.

Elder, could you elaborate on the causes of a Soul's 'living' death? Can this Soul ever return to its original body home?
In the case of one who has been 'inhabited' by another entity, can they be rescued?

I hope my true question is clear to you. I feel it is.
I have done much meditation on the part I play in this. Some things have been revealed to me, but not all. Thus I reach out to others for assistance.

Wado!
May your Path be Peaceful and ever UPhill!

posted July 03, 2003 06:47 PM            

You are 100% right. I did not post all of what I was thinking, mainly because there is so much that I keep inside and I understand that there are some that may not want to either hear or understand the beliefs. Yes, I have seen those who have lost their Spiritual Souls and all we see is their "bodily" soul. To me, they are the
People that only live for this world, to experience things of the here and now / flesh. If only they would allow their Spiritual soul to feed, then they would see the bigger picture of why we are here and what we are to do as far as what the Creator had designed.

I have been blessed in that I was not only brought up with organized religion, but having a full blood grandmother on my father's side and a full blood great-grandmother on my mothers side, taught me so much about life and being open. I only met my greatgrandmother once, but my paternal grandma still lives and tells me about the old ways. Last week my father and I spent time at the reservation and then went down along the river to gather pollen. I am making a medicine pouch for my little nephew / godson.

I believe that we have the free will to feed our souls or not. There are times when we get out of balance, that is human, but we need to take precautions. For me, when I begin to feel out of balance, I take time to be alone and meditate.

It is good to hear from you. I wish I knew more about you.

posted July 03, 2003 07:26 PM              

Many of today’s teachings and messages are distorted. To say that there is no evil is to say that all messages come from the Great Spirit, or Ones who walk in the Path of Light. Stated thus, the “absence of evil” is an absurd statement.

Evil is not the red sign that it is presumed to be. Evil is subtle and clever and can even “fool the elect”. Evil requires its own respect or it will, as you say, “play”. The People understood these things, but much of the teaching has been lost. There is some Medicine that the People do not have, and never needed. Curing the negativity of madness (accidental or ignorant) and curing purposeful evil require to different sorts of Medicine, if indeed such a cure exists for the latter.

When the soul dies, it cannot return to its body. It is a “dead soul”, no longer extant. The entity which inhabits the body is not something to be saved, at least not saved by those such as you or me. There is no “rescue”. Rescue must happen before soul death.

Revelation is a gift. Petition for more and pray for protection, wisdom and guidance from you ancestors. Use their wisdom to filter, discern and navigate the new terminology of this New Age. Finally, search and pray for the one who “Walks in your soul”. Love is the greatest gift.

posted July 03, 2003 07:33 PM              

Review my thoughts to LoonyFish. Hold fast to the old ways and do not let your Knowing be distorted or confused. It is a difficult time and all souls are called to Service. Those who can tranlate the old to the new will be critical.

May your Service be accepted.

posted July 03, 2003 08:34 PM              

I am the Nanny, or the Crone, or Beloved Woman or just "Meili". As you know, Names are many and irrelevant. Does this help?

posted July 04, 2003 03:05 PM              

I cannot seem to find the words I need.
My whole S-elf was caught up by your advice to "hold to the old ways"!
It has been a long time since I practiced or participated in ceremony. Years actually.
I was recently discussing with my best friend the loss of center I feel at having left behind this source of Peace.
Just a few days ago, I received a message in a LEXI that perfectly described a cleansing and centering ceremony.
Surely, this is a strong message from the Spirit.
BUT, (there is always a but) I also FEEL very strongly that when I take this step and return to personal ceremony, it will be the beginning of a crisis or conflict with the 'other' energy I have been maintaining an uneasy truce with. I can't say WHY I kNOW this, I do and that is that.
I NEED to find an understanding of WHAT I will be facing and HOW to handle it, BEFORE I take this step.
So far, I have been operating on pure instinctive kNOWing. However, the negativity has reached the point of making me question my own S-elf.
Does that make sense?

Thank you for your wisdom!

Greetings Pidua!
We have so much in common! I too had the blessing of equal but opposite learning as a child. My maternal Grandmother held fast to the Way. She was blessed with so many gifts of Spirit. It was her unfailing wisdom and strength that helped me feel comfortable in this world that seemed so strange to me.
My Choctaw paternal Grandmother was thoroughly 'civilized' and 'evangelized'. Since my father refused to be a part of my Life, she felt that she had to take up his slack. She thought it best to "set me on the right path" by teaching me to be a 'proper Lady'. The battles between my Grandma's were legendary in our family. LOL! These two Matriarchs, each extraordinary in her own way, passed to the other side EXACTLY 6 months, to the day and hour, apart. Opposites to the end!

It's nice to kNow there is someone out there who has shared that kind of upbringing!

posted July 05, 2003 12:11 AM              

Ceremony is important. The movements have Meaning although you may be unaware of exactly what is taking place. The movements in sacred ceremonies direct and distribute energy properly and that results in the “Peace” you speak of.

The Cleansing of Water is very important, especially moving water. Surely it is a message from Spirit.

You are right about the crisis. When there is movement to the Center, every force around that Center will strive “scatter” you and pull you from the Peace.

In former times, before the white man, only the very Wise Ones needed to know the particulars of the Path. The People lived in peace and harmony with each other and with nature. Thus, it was never important to describe the nature of Struggle and the concept of test and failure that operated for those who guided the People.

Now, living in a world which is set up contrary to nature and life, the needs are different. Please take my words carefully and understand that they are not meant to be negative, merely descriptive.

The Crisis that you sense is because you have inherited a spiritual nature that Knows and Understands the Law. However, the life you lead is contrary to the Law and results in false justification. When you again participate in Ceremony, you will need to acknowledge these false actions and cleanse your spirit of false justification. And this is the beginning. Then the Struggle I spoke of begins. Of course you will be tested. Of course you will fail and these failures will be painful. But the pain will have Purpose and you will leave the meaninglessness of arbitrary pain in the pages of history.

Finally, your hesitation comes from confusing this future pain with your past pain. They are different. This future pain breeds endurance, purity and transcendence while the past pain breeds only confusion and delusion.

Hold to the old ways my dearest sister, and find your spirit walking with the Elders and Beloved Women who rightly guided the People to peace and harmony.

posted July 05, 2003 02:28 AM              

You have seen what was written on my heart and read it back to me.
You are absolutely correct about the source of my hesitation. And about the contrariness of my present Life.
Indeed, you have confirmed most of what was revealed to me. In no way did I take your words as negative.

There is so much that I would ask you, but I hesitate to impose. I have enjoyed your other posts very much. The ancients wisdom shines through your words.
Thank you so much!

posted July 05, 2003 02:40 AM              

Your joy is mine. When Friends speak it is always from and to the Heart.

As you know, those who look for balance all walk the Way. As you also know, there are many paths but only one Way. The journey is eased and our burdens are lightened when we find a companion to travel with. It may be a journey of a few miles or eternity. At this moment, we are companions and I am here to Serve and to Learn, just as you are.

Ask what you will and if the Wisdom is present I will share. If it is not, then we will “struggle” on together always seeing, hearing and sensing for each movement of the Way.

posted July 05, 2003 03:48 AM              

I have a description for you that may help us to clearly see certain aspects of your nature.

Most people are born either right handed or left handed, but the Law indicates that one should evolve to be ambidextrous. Let us assume that you were born right handed, since that is the most “common”. From an early age, the right hand “Knows” what to do and how to do it. It is a natural Knowledge that requires no tutoring. This is your Indian Knowing. The left hand has no such natural knowledge and must be “taught” the dexterity and fluidity of the right hand. This is your White World. First, you must retrace the Knowing of the right hand. Once you re-solve the mystery of that natural Knowing, you can communicate it to the left hand. This is True Balance, when energies are equally fluid, equally masterful. False Balance is a canceling or accretion process that merely “feels” like two things are “equal”.

By the same token, this will explain your ancient teaching of the “two souls”, the “good” and the “bad” which must come into balance so that harmony may ensue. This True Balance is when the “bad”, clumsy, ignorant soul is taught by the “good”, graceful, naturally wise soul to be fully an equal. Both souls become equally dexterous, equally good and equally wise so that there is no distinction between them. Ambidextrous souls, harmonious and powerful.

There are more layers to this analogy, but we will allow this to move as it is.

Peace
Meili

posted July 05, 2003 04:49 AM              

I am not sure how to ask this question without sounding egotistical. Trust me, ego is not involved here. So please forgive me if I ramble while trying to gather my thoughts.

Many years ago, I was told that I was marked for a special gift from Spirit. But it was not mine for the taking, I had to earn it. I was told this gift would only be earned after I experienced a time of solitude and pain.
A Teacher, who came into my Life much later, confirmed these things and added that I would be sorely tested to win this gift.
My own Path has wandered through the years but always brought me closer to my goal. I have Lived, Learned and experienced much.
Perhaps because of this prediction, perhaps because of something deeper, I have always feared being alone.

Last year, the Uni-verse took it out of my hands. I was left completely and utterly alone for several months. It is too long a story to tell, but it was a very painful period of my Life. However, in the end, it was time well spent. I Learned more about myS-elf than I ever had.
It was during this period that many questions were answered and much was revealed to me. At the end of this time of solitude, I felt stronger, more aware and more balanced than I had in a very long time.
Truly a period of Pax et Bonum.

In one of those amusing twists the Uni-verse likes to throw at us, I ended up relocating to a place that is a couple of miles and 7 generations from my family's ancestral home in the mountains of Tennessee. It is a place I have dreamed of since my youth. Literally dreamed of.

Just when I became convinced that, finally, I had paid the price and my gift was to be Peace and Happiness, the Path twisted again.
Someone whom I care about deeply and had been trying very hard to help find their own Way, underwent a Soul trial.
I have become convinced, by much evidence, that they failed. I feel that the person I knew and Loved is Lost. The 'person' who has taken up residence in their body is...frightening, for lack of a better term.

This 'person's affect on me has been both draining and disturbing. I sometimes become physically ill in their presence. At the same time, I am being bombarded with messages from Spirit. Revelations that have made my head spin! And a growing sense of urgency that there is something I still must Learn or do.

So, I suppose my first questions are these...
Could I be correct that this 'person' is not my Loved one?
If that is the case, how can I positively determine, other than my feelings, if this is a 'negative' entity?
And the question that sounds egotistical...
Was this 'entity', if indeed that is what it is, sent specifically to me?

I realize that others reading this will find it too, too 'out there'. Believe me when I say I have questioned my own sanity at times. I am still searching for any other explanation! But at the same time, I am Listening, as I always try to do, to my own S-elf.

Thank you again, Elder, for any guidance you may provide. Most of all, my gratitude for Hearing me.

posted July 05, 2003 06:03 AM              

What a wonderful description! It coincides perfectly with a Teaching I was given!
I was told that I could choose the 'right hand' Path or the 'left hand' Path, both would lead me to a place of Power. But only by merging the two Paths would I come to a place of One-ness.

It is true that my 'left hand' side feels clumsy and uncomfortable. Compensate as I may I just don't 'fit'. On the other hand (no pun intended) it is a constant struggle for me not to submerge myself in Spirit.
I am comfortable there and can easily lose sight of the world around me.
This fight for balance is aggravated, in my mind, by those around me who Live mainly in the physical world and have no understanding of my need for retreat from that world on a regular basis.

I am a giving, serving person and I find it very difficult to turn away when someone needs me. Even when that means that I suffer.
I think that is part of what is going on with me right now. Part of the reason that I am feeling a strong call back to ceremony and interaction with Spirit.
But (I told you there was always a but) how can I be sure this isn't just escape from a painful situation?

I am normally not this confused OR confusing.
You just don't know how much you have helped by merely letting me express these things!

posted July 05, 2003 08:36 PM              

First, I will say to you what my Teacher once said to me, “Have fear, have fear that among the daemons you become like them”. Association with one who is soul dead is absolutely a wrong committed against your own soul. Association with one whose soul is dying is always harmful, but the degree of harm depends on many things. To name two, first, your own awareness and perception. If you are strong in Ceremony and the sacred rites, you may be able to “help” such a soul. However, also see the second aspect in which you consider the level to which the dying soul has descended. If it is far gone into darkness, offer your prayers but treat the soul as already dead for your own protection.
From your words, I can say that your “feelings” are a truer indication than anything I may offer. You have been rightly guided and long prepared for the coming “urgency”. Why then would you question your Knowing at this point?

Know also that there is another story told of Noah and his “family” during the great flood. Noah was promised by God that he and his entire family would be saved from the foretold deluge. As Noah warned and pleaded, one son, a recalcitrant soul, refused to Believe. When Noah was ordered into the ark and told to seal the doors, he accused God of breaking the covenant made between them that Noah’s family would be saved. God replied that Noah’s family WAS indeed saved since those who were “like” Noah were those who Believed and sought refuge to God and believed God’s messenger. Others were not his “family”.

The gift you seek and that has been promised is Peace. Not happiness. Happiness is a transient thing while Peace of the Soul can be eternal. But before you can affect any change in another, you must first affect a change in yourself. Trite but true.

Immerse yourself in Ceremony and Rites. Return to your right hand and study that natural Knowing. Until that is done, avoid the confused spirit of your loved one. If the love one further descends into the Dark Madness before you are strong enough, cleansed enough and wise enough to assist, then that is the Design of the Destiny and you must submit to that reality. Love in ignorance is accepted and blessed, but Love with Awareness is holy and perfected. As you Know, a perfected thing has the power to transform many things and that is why you must strive for awareness. Do not be distracted. Focus on yourself and your own development. Finally, contemplate. Your loved one would not make you ill. Your Desire for the Spirit results from necessity, not escape. Your desire for Service is part of the Design, not an indulgence or ego centered.

Finally, I will offer you another story. When God issued the Divine command “Be!”, only humanity was able to answer “I am”. This declaration of existence is that which makes the human experience unique. Your longing is the longing of the Heart to declare its existence and answer the command “Be!” Turn away from all other created things and the Beloved Creator will answer your longing and declare your existence into eternity.

Peace
Meili

posted July 07, 2003 05:43 AM              

You have, once again, given me both confirmation of my own thoughts and more to think about!

Why do I question and doubt my kNOWing? Ahhhh! Would that I had a simple answer. Most of all, it is my sense of grief at losing another battle with darkness. I am sometimes angered by the fact that so many Souls are Lost because of their own 'blindness'. And I am often frustrated when the 'blindness' is simply a refusal to See.

This Loved One was warned of approaching darkness.(Not by me.) But felt that they were above all that 'nonsense' because they didn't beLIeVE in 'it'. So many times I tried to point out that 'not believing' in something DOES NOT mean it doesn't exist. Alas, I made no impact! My sorrow is, admittedly, partly a sense of failure.

Elder, do you not beLIeVE that Peace is Happiness? I have always seen them as somewhat synonymous. I am never Happy unless I have some sense of Peace. Although, now that I am writing it, I must admit I have felt Peace in a state I would NOT call Happiness. HMMMMMM...

You are correct that I cannot consider this person, in their present state, as 'family'. I am taking steps to protect me and mine, as I am not the only one to sense this 'darkness'.

I spent much of this day in quiet contemplation. Your words serve to reinforce my conclusions. I must take the time to put my Spiritual needs first. As strange as that feels to me, it is not something I can neglect any longer.

Thank you again for your Wisdom!
May your Path be ever in Peace!

posted August 10, 2003 04:11 PM              

I agree that there are paths that are worn and those that may be discovered, but which will slow the traveler's arrival at the destination, but I don't feel that this is to concern me. I feel that there is a path wide enough for the blind and slumbering to travel. I cannot leave them behind. At least some of them must be shown a way too, before it is too late. If you were to look at the many worn paths from a birds eye view, you would see that they all share a common direction. This is the Way. This came to me three weeks ago, I have shared it with only one person until now:

"In the quest for truth and meaning in life, there is a path that defines the Way. None may be led down that road to understanding, still we need not follow its winding curves alone. For as to each falls the task of choosing his footsteps, so also may we choose to mark the trail where we stumble.

Look carefully for the signs left to you, sisters, brothers. They are everywhere, left eons ago by those who, having made the journey, could not bear to leave you behind. Hear too the cries of one who has seen the way and longs for what he had before he strayed from the path. Take these offerings of love and find in them the way to your birthright, to your happiness."

Your wise and lovingly offered words did not fall on a deaf heart, for I believe that in them I see the cause for my confusion, for although my purpose is to discover that common path, I cannot blaze the trail until I have been to the destination and begun to nourish my soul from the waters found there.

Please, I am your humble student for this journey down one of the more well-traveled paths, it seems clear that following is what I must do for this leg of my journey toward my intended purpose.

posted August 10, 2003 06:02 PM              

The Friends share a common thread. We do have a PASSION for those that trod the Path with us, those who are behind us, and a great Love for those who are Guiding. We all share a PASSION for humanity. We call in our own voice and express our Passion in our own way. But the sound of a bird’s song is more sweet when it is joined by her brother’s song. For this you have my eternal gratitude.

We are all students and we are all teachers. So, perhaps it is more accurate to say that we will embark on the Journey of Destiny together with me in the lead at the Present, and with you Leading a different Call in the Times to come. So it has been said that the Legends of Time are Walking the earth, waiting for the Master of the Ages to summon them to fulfill their Duty and the Call of their Soul.

Nourish your Soul Daf, and do not weep for the deaf and blind. The Creator's Names are Most Merciful, Most Compassionate and He will care for them as gently and with as much Love as he cares for the Holy Ones, Hidden and Revealed. There is no preference given in this Journey.

Save your Wrath Daf, for a time when it will have a focus and a Purpose. The Creator is the Master of the Day of Judgment and His Name is Divine Wrath. He will liberate His Creation from the Unholy, whose Name is The Beast.

I will see you soon and we will share and shout the Divine Names and, in them, find the perfect expression of our Passion. But we shall whisper the Names of the Beast, and trod carefully that it is not awakened. Fear with respect and Love with Awareness.

Your Friend.
Meili