posted July 24, 2003 01:21 PM              

moon in aries-

people born under this moon werent exactly babied. the faster they learned to take care of themselves, the better off they were. the mother was in no way a traditional feminine role model, possibly being the dominant parent and capable of changing her own tires and fuses. playing dumb and helpless was not for her, nor did she passively accept the position society assigned women. the positive traits of this parent were courage, spunk, liveliness, assertiveness, and a fighting spirit to overcome hardships. she had a strong desire to take action and achieve tasks of considerable difficulty, traits that were passed on to this offspring. the downside of this moon is that the mother was often angry at having to nurture and irritable with the childs needs. christina crawford had moon in aries, and we read about her childhood in mommie dearest. not everyone with moon in aries had joan crawford for a mother, but there still could have been milder elements of anger about nurturing. at best, it was benign neglect, which allowed the child considerable freedom for exploration. mom was so occupied with her own tasks and interests that her children had to develop independance.

moon in taurus

traditional astrologers class this as the best moon of all, and one reason is because of the kind of mothering the person recieved- a real cookie baking earth mother. she was the sensible, practical sort you could count on to be there when needed, and as a result, so are her offspring. she was good with money, although she doubtless overemphasized it, and was generous. her values were old-fashioned, and she saw no reason to change what worked for her parents and grandparents. her children got strong grounding and a solid sense of security. the work of advice columnist ann landers and her twin sister, abigail van buren, typifies the down-to-earth yet nurturing style of taurus moon. if your mother wasnt like dear abby, strongly suspect interference, look at *aspects.

*the word aspects is mine because she refers to a section of the book, and its based on aspects anyway. i dont have time to type out the whole book lol.

moon in gemini

mom was an interesting person and never let the grass grow under her feet. always on the move, curious about everything in her environment, she'd be classed as a kind of female peter pan. she was more like an older sister than a traditional mom- in fact in many cases an older sister did play the role of the mother and may be the person described here rather than the biological parent. responding positively to verbal development, she excelled during the 'why, mommy?' stage, fostering and even rewarding curiosity. there was a great deal of mental stimulation in the home and great emphasis on communication. she nurtured her childrens minds with far more attention than she devoted to the body, for tedious routine tasks made her skin crawl. confronted with a childs heartbreak, shed try to explain, talk it away, or change the subject. try to get her on the phone when your life is falling apart, and the line will be busy... for hours.

moon in cancer

many cancer moon people are obsessed with their mothers, not being able to let go of the things she did or didnt do for them. some cancer moons had too little mothering, and some had too much- the smothering love that doesnt let you grow up. for many, the relationship could have been either extremely positive (the mother of the year type) or extremely negative (separation or loss).

either the oldest child or the baby of the family may have cancerian planets, showing a special relationship with the mother (and even the father or grandparents) at some point. the oldest get undivided attention for awhile, then are put in the position of being mommys helper, often saddled with baby sitting for the younger ones. in adult life they find it hard to shrug off that role. the baby of the family, on the other hand, frequently isnt allowed to grow up, perhaps living at home in young adulthood, or looking for parent figures everywhere. for both oldest and youngest, adult forms of relating can be overshadowed by mommy/baby roles.

moon in leo

posted July 24, 2003 01:51 PM              

in this home, the mother was either employed or occupied more than full-time with her responsibilities, possibly nursing an invalid. it was probably the sort of household where you could eat off the floor and where order was valued over playfulness and spontaneity. this moon often represents a compulsive, supercritical parent who demanded perfection, then let you know you'd never get anywhere near that goal without her supervision.

still, she was a well-meaning, earnest individual of traditional values who had a great yearning to be useful. sometimes the need led her to do things for her family long past the time she should, a pattern that undermined their confidence in their own abilities. nonetheless, she was a practical, commonsensical person who passed on many useful skills and an instinct for the right way to do things. in many instances, this placement shows the influence not only of the mother but also of maiden aunts or parochial school nuns.

moon in libra

the mother was a romantic but in many cases was terribly disappointed in her marriage, since it didnt give her the love she hungered for. disappointed, she may have turned to this child as her primary love object, showering on mommys little darling all her devotion. the person grew up expecting this kind of love and attention as a prerequisite to well being. even children who were less favored were often placed in the position of mediating between two warring parents. they learned to please and charm others as a way to preserve the tenuous security of the household. conflict was highly threatening to the family, so they learned to seek peace at any price.

moon in scorpio

many scorpio moons came from exceptionally difficult family backgrounds, sometimes to the extent of suffering abuse, abandonment, or death of a parent. for many of them, trust was betrayed, sometimes repeatedly. histories of this sort leave scars, so people of this moon sign can be very bitter, suspicious, and alienated. they can be vindictive as well. getting revenge on the family is deeply satisfying to scorpio moon- billy carter was a public embarrassment to his missionary mom and the first family, and so was prince andrew of england, in his involvement with porn star koo stark. unfortunately the scorpions sting destroys itself, so actions this moon sign takes to show them are often self destructive.

does this picture of early trauma miss the mark for you? not all scorpio moons have had such extreme backgrounds, yet its safe to say that mom was far from happy at having to care for others. she was struggling with intense emotions and losses of her own, perhaps mourning a death in the family around the time the child was born. sometimes the resentment was covered up or even unconscious, and she may have gone so far as to overindulge her children out of guilt for not wanting them in the first place. but at some level, her offspring knew what was going on and wound up resenting her deeply for her lack of genuineness.

moon in sagittarius

mom was either a teacher, or a sunday school teacher, or should have been one, for she had an interest in educating her offspring and seeing them grow. she was a natural philosopher, seeking to understand the meaning of life and encouraging her children to ask these same kinds of questions. by and large, she was an optimist, looking for the lesson to be learned from hard conditions. in general, she was generous and warm, but with a variety of interests that may have kept her on the move rather than baking cookies.

when the children were grown, she could be an asset as an adviser, although her values were probably traditional and even religious. sag moon talk show host oprah winfrey is popular partly because her show is educational in an upbeat humorous format. being at home with mom may have been like living on the oprah show, constant inquiry into ever changing questions, championing the underdog, looking to find the truth. (if your mom wasnt anything like that, *look at aspects).

*again, i added that myself as i cant type out the whole book, and it relates to aspects anyway.

moon in capricorn

if *mater wasnt a professional woman, she should have been, for she had the capabilities, ambitiousness, and managerial skills. if her own career was thwarted by family duties, she may have pushed her children to grow up quickly and succeed. mom was critical and perfectionistic, perhaps too loaded down with responsibilities or too much older to have much patience with the trial-and-error way children learn. when i described this pattern to a capricorn moon client, she revealed that her mothers classic saying was 'im not raising children, im raising adults'. as a result, those with this moon sign grow up to be very tough on themselves and to strive mightily for their goals. they are self-disciplined, spartan people who dont coddle themselves or others.

(*latin for mother ~ana)

i also wanted to add something to this, i think it was tuesday with this placing? the neato thing about capricorns is that they seem reversed in their growing up. they seem to be old people when they are a child, and as time passes they get more childlike, as in less serious, more playful. thats just some interesting lore about capricorn, so take that into account too on the emotional level and regarding the mother with capricorn moon. ^_^

moon in aquarius

there are two kinds of mothers described by this moon. one is the modern, liberated woman, very much a freethinker and ahead of her time. she was the sort who had her childrens astrological charts done when no one else did, who had natural childbirth when it was considered indecent, or who initiated whatever trend in child care was then controversial. she did better with teens than with babies, because she valued her freedom and independance too much to be a traditional wife and mother. once her children were old enough to reason with, she functioned more like a friend than an authority figure.

the other, less together aquarian moon mother was very erratic or possibly somewhat flaky. she was high-strung or even intermittently explosive. she may have been a teenage mother or maybe just a perpetual adolescent, but she was only accidentally a parent. at least she wasnt aware until it was too late how much babies infringe on your freedom, and then she was stuck. child-care arrangements may have been casual, or there may have been separations, like foster care. because of her lack of consistency, her child grew up testing the limits of authority figures. (sometimes, as you'll see in the *section on security, there were serious disruptions in the family, so the aquarius moon may describe not so much the type of person the mother actually was, but the interruptions in mothering).

*again i cant write out the whole book but if anyones interested i could help, maybe paraphrase this if asked. dont know how long that section is. aspects will show this too anyway.

moon in pisces

there are two main kinds of mothers common to pisces moons. the first is the mother theresa stand in, forever rescuing the waifs and strays, full of compassion and spirituality, and only occasionally sliding off into martyrdom. this mother is placed on a pedestal by her offspring, and thats about as close as they get to see her, because theyre supposed to put their own needs aside for the starving orphans their mother cares for so devotedly. sometimes she is there for her children, exquisitely loving and giving, and sometimes shes mysteriously inaccessible. in many cases, her children try desperately to live up to her ideals and follow her example.

the other kind of mother was in such bad shape her offspring had to take care of her. maybe she was physically ill, emotionally troubled, or addicted to food or alcohol. still, there was something hauntingly special about her, some fey quality that caused her children to love her while simultaniously pitying and resenting her. being conditioned to hold mothers life together, pisces moon people are often attracted to situations where theyre the rescuers. or, if the deficits in nurturing were severe or early enough, they themselves could have suffered emotional damage that left them needing remedial nurturing.

posted July 24, 2003 02:01 PM            

My moons Virgo and the first paragraph is partially true and the second quite true as she was a Taurus mom.

How interesting & thanks!

posted July 24, 2003 02:16 PM              

She really was more like a friend than a mom to us, and to our friends too! Still is.

PS. She's the person who got me into Astrology in the first place. In fact, for my 12th birthday, she got me the Leo book from the 'Astro-Analysis' series. I still have it too, tattered as it is.
One year, she got me and my sis an Ouijia Board for for Christmas, and my Dad FREAKED OUT on her. Said it was sacrelige and blasphemous! (we got to keep it anyway)

posted July 24, 2003 02:21 PM              

my only fault with these descriptions is that they can be much gentler with the right house/aspects, or far worse. cant fault donna for that though, only so much she can do in one book. id recommend this book for anyone interested, its really good as is another of hers, i cant remember the title right now. i went into a little more detail in jason from oz's post about virgo moons. donnas book is probably the best one ive read about the moon, she also has a book i want called 'a lunar type in a solar world'. i think thats the title.

if i could get my chart done by anyone on the planet, it would be her or robert hand. they are just both really good, much better than any other astrologer ive read. some others are pretty good too but not as good as donna or robert.

posted July 24, 2003 02:27 PM              

not surprised about your dad and the ouija board, lol! sounds very taurean. its a little phenominon that most taurus'es who get into astrology (also cappys sometimes too) get into it with the idea to disprove it, then they cant, so they are most fervent astrologers, lol! i think thats so cute

i had that astro analysis too!! haha that takes me back! i dunno where mine went. lost in one of my many moves i spose.

posted July 24, 2003 03:59 PM              

Thanks, yes that was me. I've read that too and it's very true. As a child I never felt my age and as a young adult I still don't quite fit in with my peer group, especially teenagers, I always get along better with grownups.

posted July 24, 2003 04:28 PM              

yes, a conj with neptune doesnt surprise me. how tight is the orb?

in the cappy moon description take out 'career' and insert 'disability' and it sounds like it applies better. capricorn is a duty sign of course, and the moon in it with regard to your mother? you had a duty to her. it sounds like her family duties were thwarted by her disability, not to mention having a career. some moms think they should be taken care of, and others are the caretakers... its probably an issue with your mom.

posted July 24, 2003 04:33 PM            

My grandmother was a Leo with a Capricorn moon that wasn't as emotionally available for her kids, but they never lacked for anything. My grandmother and mom became much closer when my step-grandfather died (the same time my little brother was born). She moved in with us a little after that and lived with my mom until she passed away in 2001.

My mom was always looking for her mom's approval and then learned, when my grandmother was dying, that she was always her favorite. It was very moving for my mom and still breaks my heart to this day.

posted July 24, 2003 05:43 PM              

Neptune is at 2° Cap and moon at 6° Cap
so they're not too far apart.
Moon is in the 4th and Neptune is in the 3/4th cusp.

Let's see if I can explain this, it's kind of complicated.
She's a homemaker because she has social anxiety disorder and is a recluse (afraid to talk to or even be seen by other people outside the family) On top of that she doesn't speak spanish or drive. And mentally and emotionally, she's alot like a child, she doesn't understand things well and is very innocent and naive, very Neptunian. Sees things only the way she wants to see them. I have to explain simple things to her, like how to put on a seatbelt. And then she forgets. I wouldn't call her retarded though, she's an Aquarius and she's done some pretty innovative things around the house. We talk tons and have fun together. There's just this child-like quality that's difficult to explain and it makes me feel like the mother alot. But she insists on being the caretaker, she's very Cancery and protective (she has her moon in cancer or pisces) wants to do everything for her kids, I mean, her son doesn't even know how to make toast. He likes being babied and smothered but I don't - I guess my Cap moon makes me want to be self-reliant. She doesn't even like it when I go out to run an errand or for a walk, she wants her kids to be home with her all the time, forever (Well alot of moms do, but in this case it's extreme)

Anyway on top of it all, she has varicose veins in one leg and she developed an ulcer a few years ago. It's infected and the infection is recurring - the doc says it will keep coming back until she gets the veins operated. So now it's a physical disability on top of the mental disabilities.

posted July 24, 2003 11:36 PM              

Anyway, it was great of you to type all this up. I appreciate your wisdom and kind spirit. I just hope I can enlighten you somehow. Rock on!

posted July 25, 2003 08:32 AM              

My moon is in Capricorn and what's written for that aspect resonates a lot with how my Mum is. Yep, she's definately critical, never had any patience with me and my trial and error way of learning. She never wanted me to learn by my own mistakes it had to be through hers or not at all It's true I have grown up to be very tough on myself.

And what's been written about those of us with a Cappy moon seeming to be reversed in their growing up....that's exactly how I am and it's exactly what my Mum says to me "You was more mature and had more sense when you was 5 compared to how you are now" Spooky

Thanks ~ana

posted July 26, 2003 12:49 AM              

what you said about your mum is very interesting. i have a capricorn moon and like you, didn't find the cappy moon description very accurate. the pisces moon did fit somewhat better.

posted July 26, 2003 02:28 PM              

dont forget that the moon is merely one indicator of a parent. ill get into the other soon! (mc and ic etc) aspects are a factor too.

posted July 26, 2003 10:05 PM              

isn't that strange?...the one thing I've longed for from her andnow I don't know what to do with it. It's like how can you miss something you never had? and then when you get it what do you do with it?

posted July 27, 2003 01:14 AM              

Well, I'm a CancerMoon middle child, with sisters with Capricorn and Aquarius Moons respectively. I read their descriptions too, and all describe a different facet of our mother's personality. Recently I read somewhere how my older sister's chart makes her an "ignored child", which struck home -- she's one independent Aqua! -- which then makes sense that I often got that "oldest child" vibe from my mother. So in a way, it does fit. Interesting.

posted July 27, 2003 05:09 AM              

anyway things that can screw up a moon position are conjunctions most of all. the closer the orb, the more hard it is to separate the two. other ones can make an effect too though, and we are seeing this in action. some of us are amazed at how accurate these descriptions are, others cant see much of it at all. perhaps i should type out her section on how aspects etc affect the moon... i dunno how long it is, ill read it tonight, maybe i can just condense it.

ill show you with my aspects how my moon is portrayed 'off the chart', and maybe it can help you to interpret your moon placings.

its in aries like i said, and so read the moon in aries first. now, it has four aspects, two are the asc and midheaven.

the moon opposes mercury but its a relatively loose orb, of 8 degrees. my merc is in libra Rx. in an opposition both bodies involved can see each other for what they are. they arent hidden, they are directly opposed, facing off. now, i learned from a very early age that communication was the key to dealing with my mother. i could neutralize her in a heartbeat with a sincerely written letter or note. it was very important that it was written, if it was verbal we would argue more because she wouldnt listen to reason (and mars, my planet of action, is in cap which is 'slow and steady gets things done'). *ack, doh... i forgot that uranus is also conj merc, not enough orb again to directly oppose moon but the same thing applies with what i said about the influence of uranus with jupiter. its so clear there too and i was thinking about it in the back of my mind, how a merc opp moon when merc is conj uranus can signify 'interruption'. sorry about that, im not being very clear. perhaps ill tidy this post up tomorrow when im refreshed. *sigh* i wish i had some energy.

there was no place for emotion in my very libra merc, with sun in libra, if something wasnt fair id bloody well say so, and i was a very logical arguer, not emotional at all. instead of saying 'that hurts me' id say 'thats not fair' which wouldnt faze her a bit, she didnt give a crap what was fair or not, as her life was hardly fair too. problem was, my natal merc is Rx, so i probably wasnt able to argue with success in those instances anyway. if i 'slowed' it down through writing, i could get my message across by a careful crafting of my words. does that make sense?

then we have jupiter opposing my moon. jupiter is also in libra. again, its an opposition, and both sides see each other for what they are. in this case the opposition was pretty bad for me, although oppositions arent always negative. in this case it was though. jupiter is luck, generosity to an extent, benevolence, expansion, all those things. my mother was a huge drain on me financially in adult life, and she was hardly generous while growing up. she was very selfish and would buy herself the latest expensive diet foods (which sucked so bad) and high heel shoes, perfume, clothes... her excuse was she had to be well groomed for work (she was a hairdresser). bullcrud i say. she had over 100 pairs of high heels! thats just gratuitious.

anyway, i would end up taking ketchup and mustard sandwiches to school for lunch. in this case, the opposition worked poorly as mother was hardly a nurturer to begin with, and that opposition took energy away from the nurturing aspects of the moon.

emotionally i didnt get much from her either. shed be cold to me, in fact its family legend that she barely ever held me, and i wasnt typically receiving of hugs when i was a kid. emotionally (moon) it was at cross purposes (opposition) that i would get emotional (moon) expansion (jupiter) from my mother (moon). jupiter is also conjunct uranus so its involved indirectly. uranus can signify 'interruption', and that often happened too. she would promise me some reward (jupiter) then take it back (uranus) hurting my feelings (moon). didnt happen all the time, as even though uranus is conjunct jupiter which is opposed my moon, the orb isnt enough, but it still applies in a muted way.

a note on that- i knew deep down that she didnt have my best interests at heart where generosity was concerned (opposition) but i still tried for a long time because i craved that emotional closeness to her, even if i had to 'pay' for it with my generosity. its not important to me anymore, i finally learned that ill get my emotional strength from within (a very aries moon thing). its the way the universe wants me to get it! to love myself... which had been a problem for my first three decades of life. i still struggle with it now but im way better.

another note on this- my mother had lots of money at no less than two times in life, probably more like 5 through selling of houses and various insurance claims. she had an inheritance from her aunt, and she also had her share of proceeds from the sale of her mothers house. she promised me all sorts of things like a computer of my own, and guess what? i never got it. it literally KILLS her to spend money on me, she used to make me pay for my own food when she had just left my dad (i was 18 with no job), and as far as the inheritances? she spent SO much money on her so called 'friends' that it was obscene. very very typical behavior when we look at that darn jupiter opposition (and also her 11th house would be interesting if i had her birthtime). i dont have saturn in the 8th so when she dies i probably will have some sort of legacy from her, although itll just be the junk shes accumulated over the last few years. who knows, and i dont really care although i do think i deserve *something*. i hope that doesnt sound harsh but its how i feel.

houses also have an effect too. my moon is in the third, the house of the household chores and daily things that we do like chores, routines. taking the bus for example would fall under this category. my jupiter is in the 9th, the house of higher education, and she actually did pay for a course for me once, which doesnt surprise me. i didnt complete the course as i wasnt 'healed' yet with certain aspects of my ptsd. i couldnt handle it and dropped out. she was generous where higher learning was concerned though, ill give her that. not financially, she couldnt at that time, but she was very supportive of it.

now, the aspect to the asc. thats a trine. i think thatll be the last one as ive gone on long enough, im sure you all see how aspects fit. the asc is a trine though so i want to include it.

so moon is trine asc. that means that emotionally it appeared to others that i was ok with the mothering i got. independant aries moon trine a sag 'public mask', for sure. nobody had much of a clue that my mother affected me as much as she did, and it was really only when i became an adult that my aunts etc were privy to how badly she hurt me. its a case of a trines energy working harmoniously to an end, yet it wasnt very positive for me as if someone had of noticed early on, it might have ended up better off. who knows? i cant tell what might have happened had a different path been taken.

as it was my water relatives gave me as best they could, emotionally.

whew! im tired after all that. maybe tomorrow i can help tie things in with the moon. i gotta help teva though and am looking at his chart tonight. maybe tomorrow i will have some insight. ^_^

posted July 27, 2003 05:22 AM              

hope thats the right smilie code lol

ps you are so lucky to have the positive effects of a moon in aries! good on your mom!

posted July 27, 2003 05:27 PM              

Aquarian moons can be so out of touch with their own emotions that they can be subject to manipulation by more emotionally charged people. They regard emotion with a kind of hesitant curiosity, and an envious respect. They know that emotion holds power, yet they may feel emotionally 'impotent' sometimes. This is what draws them to Scorpios or Pisces or anyone who seems more emotionally "powerful" than they.

They need to learn how to FEEL their way, rather than RATION their way through life.