posted August 14, 2003 02:38 PM              

I have been reading here for years.

I feel a little uncomfortable posting birth information on the following 2 people, but I guess it is okay. The mother (Oct. 16, 1952, Little Rock, AR 3:15 pm)left her son just a little after his birth(Jan. 11, 1981, Little Rock, AR 7:21 am). He grew up with his father and different women who sort of came and went out of his Dad's life. The woman who were there the longest had drug addiction problems. Now this boy also suffers from drug and alcohol addictions. He spent 2 years in jail for armed robbery. Now is is out and just finished his first year of college - chem major and great grades. Unfortunately, he just got picked up for drinking and driving. Sounds like he will go back to prison (he is on probation). I don't get it. He has sun, rising, mercury, and venus in capricorn. Capricorn? Capricorn is too sensible for that kind of thing! He has pisces moon - square neptune. Maybe that is it. Shouldn't he eventually be okay, with all of that capricorn in him? Also, what about his relationship with his mother? She is depressed, paying for his college, and doing what she can to help him. He is generally pretty nasty to his mom. Their synastry looks complicated. Any way, I care about these 2 people. Any advice for them?

posted August 14, 2003 11:05 PM              

Just a brief general comment about a young Capricorn for you -- unlike later in life, when they have defined goals, in youth they can be great partyers, rebels, sensualists, etc. -- that active earth nature needs to experience through the senses, and often goes to extremes! Since you seem to know astrology, imagine a cardinal Scorpio! Young Cap can be like that. They can take a lot of time to settle down. So yes, to answer your question, he should settle down later -- I'd imagine that this latest problem really troubles him, after such an academic accomplishment. Maybe you can reinforce this direction of his talents and energies and encourage him. It sounds as if the problems of his early life are still affecting him emotionally.

A water Moon can have addiction problems -- they need to keep away from all drugs and alcohol, IMHO -- PiscesMoon can be unstable if afflicted, and the Neptune square exacerbates this. Perhaps he is nasty to his mom partly because he takes on her emotions without realizing it, and can't handle her depression/anger and guilt. He may be acting out her anger at him/the world.

I hope someone can look at their charts for you soon.

posted August 15, 2003 08:57 AM              

Cappys are ruled by Saturn and among other things it means we can be REALLY pessimistic, melancholy and gloomy. And we may underestimate our ability to cope with the world. That "i'll never master it" feeling tends to hit us strongest when we actually have mastered something, and are already eyeing the next mountain-top instead of enjoying the present moment. We also often fail to congratulate ourselves for the road we've already passed.

A Cappy starts getting along with the world better when they, quoting a Cap astrolger Bob Marks, "realise it is impractical to be miserable". I don't think there are many of us who have managed to learn this before the first Saturn return.

posted August 15, 2003 03:09 PM              

The second type of mom sounds fitting here...

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moon in pisces

there are two main kinds of mothers common to pisces moons. the first is the mother theresa stand in, forever rescuing the waifs and strays, full of compassion and spirituality, and only occasionally sliding off into martyrdom. this mother is placed on a pedestal by her offspring, and thats about as close as they get to see her, because theyre supposed to put their own needs aside for the starving orphans their mother cares for so devotedly. sometimes she is there for her children, exquisitely loving and giving, and sometimes shes mysteriously inaccessible. in many cases, her children try desperately to live up to her ideals and follow her example.

the other kind of mother was in such bad shape her offspring had to take care of her. maybe she was physically ill, emotionally troubled, or addicted to food or alcohol. still, there was something hauntingly special about her, some fey quality that caused her children to love her while simultaniously pitying and resenting her. being conditioned to hold mothers life together, pisces moon people are often attracted to situations where theyre the rescuers. or, if the deficits in nurturing were severe or early enough, they themselves could have suffered emotional damage that left them needing remedial nurturing.

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posted August 15, 2003 03:38 PM              

She is as I said above and I don't speak to her. I will speak to the girl but her mother is not a woman to me, not even human, I refuse to speak to her on the phone, I just hang up.

You may think that's cold but I have seen a lot of mothers use their sons and daughters like a bank account, until they are in their 40's with no life. And the worst is they have no pity.

Well enough said, there are a lot of nice pisces moons out there, it has a lot to do with stress aspects and that one has her moon opposite saturn, and her moon is in the 10th. Her daughter is a Sag with Aries rising, impressionable.

posted August 15, 2003 03:41 PM              

For that reason I don't offer her daughter anything to drink anymore, I know how hard it has to be living with that.

I have pity but it's tempered with shame for all mothers when I see that.

posted August 15, 2003 11:47 PM              

The addict is a very self-centered person. They tend to make excuses why they're taking that next drink and blame others into stressing them out so much that they had to have that next toke or whatever. And they truly believe they can control it and that they can quit anytime they want to.

What can you do for the addict in your life? Pray for them. Support them. Don't try and force them to change or quit...they will only resent you the entire time they stay clean, which will be shortlived and ugly. Ever meet anyone who's on a dry drunk? They have to want to get out themselves. And most have to hit rock bottom before they are ready to change their lives. And that is exactly what a shift from addiction to recovery is... a life change. Like I said, stand by them, love them, but more often than not you have to give tough love. And believe me, it is tough. And you don't know if you're going to get through it because you wonder if they're going to survive this.

I'm sorry. I know I didn't answer your question specifically, but I am very very knowledgeable on all addictions, both professionally and personally. If you have any questions or just need someone to listen, I've been there.

posted August 16, 2003 12:23 AM              

though this could be the case in certain circumstances, for the most part it is quite the contrary.

once addicted they are quite self centered as most will do anything for the next "fix" whatever it may be...but for the most part, there are deeper, more emotional issues that contribute to the person who becomes addicted.

posted August 16, 2003 01:34 AM              

On that positive note, yes it would be better to look at the chart.
I don't know how to attach a chart but
His Sun, and Mercury are in his first house ruled by Capricorn. His Mars is in Aquarius in the first but not conjunct the Sun and mercury. Sun and Mercury are conjunct. They are both square Pluto in Libra in the 9th.

There is some fire there, Mars in the 1st is a tough aspect, try telling that person what to do! Early life is tough and hard. He has constant energy and no place to put it. Physical work would be good. He may be mentally frustrated.

Neptune in Sag squares the Moon in Pisces. He is someone nurturing and caring on a physical level. He has a protective side. The chart is very left sided, and so the ego is big, he may resent reaching out to others and can't talk or ask for help.

Jupiter in Libra is Square Venus in Capricorn. I know at least two recovering alcoholics with this exact aspect. Jupiter is Square Mercury in Capricorn, Saturn in Libra is Square both Mercury and Venus.
I see someone who is lied to and gullible. With Venus in the 12th, he wants to be saved or save others. Earth signs are people pleasers. Then Vesta in Virgo in the 8th may mean a desire to control life and death, fascination with rituals and being part of a group.

Jupiter makes a good aspect to the ascendant. His friends make or break him. Even though he can lie easily people trust him and he needs that trust. If he can get into a position where people depend on his word and predictability he would be happy. His life could be easier.

Jupiter in Libra I have found to have a real people pleasing side, and a love for social lubrication.

Chiron in the 4th in Taurus points to a loss in childhood, a loss of faith and a deep need for physical affection. I think he is seeking that out, especially with Ceres in Cancer in the 6th.

He's not lucky in business, and not good at being friendly. He may have a temper he can't control. Plus his emotions pull him so that he may stay in one mood for days even weeks. He can be morose and it takes a lot to pull out. If he didn't have to make routine decisions daily, and could work with the public he may be happy. The sooner he gets help the better.

His Midheaven is Scorpio, which is interesting. He needs to feel needed by others.

I think he has a real fear of appearing weak, or needing others in his life. North Node is in Leo in the 7th house, emphasizing how important his relationships are. No bad aspects from Uranus, or Mars, and Saturn is unaspected. I guess that sexually he is experimenting, and his sexuality is very important to him.

The Moon is in the 2nd, values, worth, and his Saturn and Jupiter are in the 8th. Saturn in the 8th wants to find extreme emotions, and needs control, this aspect can also mean being taken advantage of by the opposite sex, financially and sexually.

He is unconventional with Uranus at the top in the 10th, and all that fire in the 1st make his strong willed and defiant. Then you have all the heavy moody energy from the 12th, 8th and 4th house, and the moon in the 2nd. The only fire house is Pluto in the 9th. The only air house is Neptune in the 11th which gives a strong desire to part of a group or the head of some project. The military, a club or organization of some kind would appeal to him. Timothy McVeigh had this aspect as well as the moon in Pisces and a Taurus Sun. It's said there is some kind of masochism in that combination. Having that myself I can relate. It's people pleasing.

Any other analysis? I have a friend with a Virgo son who went through this in his teens, he straightened out around 21. Even being a Virgo his dependence on his girlfriends still got him into trouble.

It's too complicated to read his chart, his mothers and a synastry. I would just look at one to start. Why is the mother depressed? It's not her life. Is she getting help for her depression too? People do not live in a vacum. If she's paying for college that's fine but I 'm sure it doesn't help him any at this stage he needs help with his alcohol addiction not help with his checkbook.

If he needs to be a AA meetings, he can take himself. His mother can go to codependents Anonymous too if she wants to help. College can wait until he is able to control his addiction. He needs to go to AA College and then everything will get better. Don't wait, get him the literature ASAP, and tell him his mother is doing something about her life separately too.

posted August 16, 2003 01:44 AM              

Read up on singletons, especially Neptune and Sag, and the 11th house because it looks like he is trying to merge into something greater than himself and make a difference. Groups and clubs have a big appeal and being the one who makes something happen. I would read about the 11th house because I think it says boss or leader, one who makes decisions. He just doesn't have that in his day to day life and may be looking for that.

So this is a very complex chart. I would consult a professional astrologer.

I just keep seeing someone who feels a total lack of physical affection from the outside world, that's my take.

posted August 19, 2003 12:51 PM              

Thank you for your comments, suggestions, and chart work. You have made a difference. The mother is my friend. I - copied/pasted many of your posts and e-mailed them to her. Although she is not involved in astrology whatsoever, she said most of your comments (especially Natasha's) fit him perfectly. Also, she felt freedom - some freedom from guilt and responsibility for her son's actions. Somehow, the analyzing of his chart made her feel that his actions were, in a way - predestined and out of her control and not her fault. True or not, I believe her depression may lift and that she will be able to move on with her own life. She is middle aged, but has a lot of life left!! What has been done has been done. She feels less responsible. Best of all, she is looking into counseling for her son. He is not completely agreeable, but "will probably come around."

So, your hard work was not in vain - Natasha.