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Topic: Cesarean births
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Tuesday
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posted August 26, 2003 11:34 AM
 
Hi everyone, I've been on vacation in Florida. I really missed this place  For years now I've had a Virgo sun/Virgo rising/Sag moon friend who always said she must have been lied to about her birth date. We both agree she has Virgo sun traits but she says she feels and acts more like a Libra. We also get along like two air signs, and I get along better with Libras than with Virgos. We've discussed theories endlessly, such as nature/nurture (her mother and sister are geminis, and most of her friends are air signs) Finally yesterday I was on the phone with her, and we were joking around again about her birth chart problem when I asked, "Were you delivered naturally?" She said no. I asked if she was delivered by a scheduled cesarean and she told me she was. She asked if that was it, I said I dont know, maybe. So I was wondering if a cesarean birth would make you feel like you were born at the wrong time, since you did not get to choose your exact birth time yourself ? It makes sense to me. IP: Logged |
Cat
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posted August 26, 2003 02:01 PM
Hi Tuesday 
My personal opinion is that the soul chooses it's birth time and I don't feel that a caesarian would change that (as that relates to method as opposed to the time of birth). There could be other things in your friends chart that would give the Libran influence. eg: Does Venus conjunct her asc? It conjuncts mine and some people say are you sure you're a Virgo rising....but even though I have a full mouth (ie: lips) and Venusian eyes, I am a Virgo rising.
Also is she absolutely certain re her time of birth? And why does she feel she feels and acts more like a Libra?
Sue  PS: Oh, and how's this for spooky......I'm a Virgo Sun, Virgo Rising with a Sagittarius Moon. IP: Logged |
Lunargirl
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posted August 26, 2003 05:16 PM
Hmmmm...Cat, do you think that a squared Moon to a double Sun/Ascendant could be some kind of marker for a mild identity conflict? Just wondering, after reading these posts... Lunargirl IP: Logged |
Cat
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Registered: Oct 2009
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posted August 26, 2003 06:01 PM
Hi Lunargirl
Hmm that's an interesting question. I've never really thought about it or looked into it before. My Virgo Sun & Rising would by sign only (as the aspects are too wide) square my Sag Moon. I've never felt I was anything other than a double Virgo with Sag Moon etc. It was a few people who thought that I was Libra rising but I never did think that.
What's your experience of that in people's charts?
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Tuesday
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posted August 26, 2003 08:34 PM
No Venus doesn't make any aspects to her AC nor is it in her first house. She's always told me she fits the descriptions of Libra better. And I kind of agree. If anyone is willing to take a quick look, here is her info:August 27, 1982
8:33 AM
Poplar Bluff, MO BTW, I noticed her Ascendant is in the last few degrees of Virgo and asked if her birth time might have been a little off, giving her Libra rising instead. She said it was accurate. IP: Logged |
Oxychick
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posted August 26, 2003 09:33 PM
Interesting question. I was born via C-Section too I've often wondered what it would have been like if I had been born on the expected due date. Hmm..I would have been a Pisces Sun/Merc./Mars, Taurus Moon (and for kicks, if it had been the same time, a Cancer Rising). VERY different. Does your friend have any planets in Libra? IP: Logged |
Lunargirl
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posted August 27, 2003 11:54 AM
Hey, Cat,awww, I was hoping you had already done some research!  OK, I'll have to look at my old charts for people, and see if I notice any pattern. But definitely I will be looking for it in any new charts I erect. I'll be sure to check in with you if something comes to light. cheers!
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Aphrodite
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posted August 27, 2003 12:06 PM
I was brought into the world through c-section. My mother was in labor for 3 days. Regardless of having the potential Saggitarius Moon squaring a Venus in Pisces, had that procedure not been done, I would not be here. Now you all don't want that do you?  I am glad I was breathing air 3 days later because I got all these sweet Venus trines. And no, I don't have a Saggitarius Moon squaring Venus in Pisces! IP: Logged |
Cat
Newflake Posts: 0
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Registered: Oct 2009
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posted August 27, 2003 12:54 PM
Hi Lunargirl
I'll wait to hear the results of your research
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Rev. Alice
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posted August 29, 2003 11:03 AM
TuesdayWhen your friend's chart is run with the proper conversion of clock time to Local Mean Time, she has 11 Libra Rising.
---Below I will insert instructions.----
To get a correct chart, the clock time (either standard or daylight, etc.)
must be converted to Local Mean Time. Without doing this, all charts for a
given north or south latitude, within a time zone (as +6 hours) will have
the same ascendant, even if they are several hundred miles apart. Local
Mean Time can be understood as Sun Time, as it is based on the time when the
Sun moves across the chart's location.
Without making this adjustment, charts can easily be 15 or more degrees off
at the ascendant. Some programs appear to make the adjustment, but very often this is simply a reference to the fact that virtually all computer astrology programs know when and where daylight time, wartime, etc. has been used and makes the proper adjustments for these practices. That is not the same as the LMT adjustment, which should follow it. Many of you are using astrodienst. To get the correct chart from them,
select "manual time zone", then cursor all the way down. At the bottom is
LMT. This is what you want for a correct chart. ------------------
You are a blessing and you are blessed.
Rev. Alice www.lifeprints-for-living.com IP: Logged |
Tuesday
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posted August 30, 2003 04:12 PM
Whoa Rev. Alice :O That makes a big differenceIP: Logged |
Lunargirl
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posted August 30, 2003 06:39 PM
Rev. Alice -- thank you!!!I can see many differences in my chart once I use LMT. I never knew that this was necessary -- you have just made a huge difference to the way I, and many here at Lindaland will read natal charts from now on. It's both the beauty and bane of the computer generations -- we don't do manual calculations, and therefore we rely overly on programs.  Is LMT necessary to erect accurate transit, progression and other charts? Many thanks,
Lunargirl IP: Logged |
joyrjw
Knowflake Posts: 338
From: El Cajon,California, USA
Registered: Nov 2010
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posted June 09, 2011 05:23 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Rev. Alice:
TuesdayWhen your friend's chart is run with the proper conversion of clock time to Local Mean Time, she has 11 Libra Rising.
---Below I will insert instructions.----
To get a correct chart, the clock time (either standard or daylight, etc.)
must be converted to Local Mean Time. Without doing this, all charts for a
given north or south latitude, within a time zone (as +6 hours) will have
the same ascendant, even if they are several hundred miles apart. Local
Mean Time can be understood as Sun Time, as it is based on the time when the
Sun moves across the chart's location.
Without making this adjustment, charts can easily be 15 or more degrees off
at the ascendant. Some programs appear to make the adjustment, but very often this is simply a reference to the fact that virtually all computer astrology programs know when and where daylight time, wartime, etc. has been used and makes the proper adjustments for these practices. That is not the same as the LMT adjustment, which should follow it. Many of you are using astrodienst. To get the correct chart from them,
select "manual time zone", then cursor all the way down. At the bottom is
LMT. This is what you want for a correct chart.
I tried this and there was definitely a difference. Does that apply to California time as well? ------------------
"The most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched, they must be felt with the heart”
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