posted September 21, 2003 11:49 AM              

PLUTO
*In the Eleventh/Twelfth House (at the end of the 11th)
* In Libra
* Conjunct Saturn
* Opposition Moon
* Square Sun
* Trine Venus
* Trine Mars
* Sextile Neptune
* Sextile Midheaven

MARS
* In the Fourth House
* In Pisces
* Opposition Midheaven
* Square Ascendant
* Square Uranus
* Square Jupiter
* Trine Pluto
* Trine Saturn (ed. Pluto's in the very end of Libra, Saturn in the very beginning of Scorpio)
* Sextile Mars
* Sextile Neptune

given their relative and respective strengths and the fact that they're both the co-rulers of the Asc. of the chart-in-question?

Thankya, thankya

posted September 21, 2003 11:54 AM              

* In the Sixth House
* In Taurus
* Opposition Pluto
* Opposition Saturn
* Square Sun
* Trine Midheaven
* Trine Neptune
* Sextile Mars

posted September 21, 2003 11:59 AM              

How much weight would you put on the MC when looking at aspects in a chart?

...'cause, if it's to be counted, then there're a couple more t-squares in this chart...

posted September 21, 2003 03:43 PM              

1. Pluto Conj. Saturn...Ouch! Imagine a pure Scorpio and a pure Capricorn teaming up to coach you through a football practice, but you can't see them, nor can you ask questions because they're in the house of "unknown forces". All you know is if you don't follow their lead, they catapult you into an end zone post. And they don't feel sorry for you when you're laid out bruised and aching either. They say "Quit whining and get up or you'll be trampled!". In the end, you've internalized their lessons so well, on a subconcious level (12th house) that you wouldn't dare oppose them for the life of you, although you probably won't be conciously aware of why you're compulsive about it.

2. Pluto/Saturn oppose Moon...Those hard-nose coaches don't get along with your emotional world too well. You're always in a state of trying to avoid displeasing the coaches, but trying to feed the needs of your moon world. A precarious balance at best! When you're pleasing one, you're *edit* disassociating the other and vise versa. However, if you don't please your moon, eventually you'll have a emotional melt down. The trick is to balance the two, knowing which one should take presidence in any given situation. It requires being very in-tune with your self, which is often only achieved through challenges and struggles that effect you to the very soul. (read: pain/joy)

3. Pluto/Saturn squaring Sun...Again, those hard nose coaches are frowning on you. Although, in the end they want the same things as you want for yourself. They just don't agree with you on how you should achieve it. Your self and your hard nose coaches both want to see you go to medical school. THEY want you to go on a scholarship, but you'd rather take out a student loan. You're not so sure all your best efforts will result in a scholarship. You'd rather have a sure plan, one that is less likely to lead to disappiontment. They say "Poppycock! You're just being lazy! You'll get the scholarship if you just heed our lessons!" You say, "But I don't want to depend on luck". They say "You're a coward". You say they're expecting too much from you. In the end, you want the same thing. But you can't agree on how to get it. This dispute is best ended by transits, timing, opportunities, and luck. Whichever route seems to open up first is the one that will be taken. But even if you haven't done it the way they would have liked, and you could tell you didn't have their support as you went along your way, both of you are thrilled when the goal is reached.

Ok, so you can follow this analogy to the bitter end, just put the faces of those hard nosed, stern, unsympathetic coaches on Saturn and Pluto. They want you to grow and be all you can be, but they don't tolerate slackers, and they don't hug you or kiss your boo-boos better. They say "See? That'll teach ya.

I find I can better relate and synthesize all the planets' influences when I see them as human teachers who are sterotypes of the signs they rule. Then, if the aspect is good, see them walking the high road of their sign. If the aspect is difficult, see them spewing out the negative side of that sign. If you look at the planets that way, you can get a feel immediately from any given aspect in a chart. To me, Saturn always looks a little like the school teacher in 'Pink Floyd', 'The Wall' movie. I dunno why. Venus always looks like a my Aunt Darlene, beautiful and kind and a very soft sweet voice. Always nice to everyone, but sometimes too nice. They don't want to go back out into the cold hard world. Her kids were all in there mid to late 20's by the time they moved out for good. (sadly, she passed away in 2001, but she was an Aquarius with Libra rising and a Libra moon)
Pluto just looks like a sinister, mean guy who knows magic. Maybe that instuctor from the Harry Potter movie.

Anyway, I digress. This person, whoever it is, has a pretty challenging chart. I am of the school of thought that the more ambitious your soul is in this life, the more challenging your natal chart will be. Perhaps you've got some making up to do. Perhaps you've chosen to fast track your way through Karmic lessons. Perhaps you're more evolved and you need more meaty lessons. Whatever the case may be, you're not going to live a simple, trouble free life. You'll probably achieve much in this life, because the tension will keep you in a constant state of trying to adjust/balance the conflicting energies. The people with the "hard" charts are the movers and shakers, the doers! So, don't be overwhelmed by it. The odds are, you'll achieve quite alot to be proud of.

posted September 22, 2003 07:50 PM              

It must be difficult to rock so hard.

You tricked me, though - you went back and edited instead of adding (the additions being quite nice and meaty, btw).

The above seems to me to describe the person in question (Jason), especially the about how hard he is on himself and last bit that you included. He is one of the most vehemently anti-anything of that sort people that I know. As a rather mild example, at 17 he dressed down his 21-year-old brother for getting drunk in front of him (the brother hasn't really drank in front of him since).
Ya dinnae even want to know how he reacts to more heavy escapes.

I'm going to think on your teacher/planet analogy some more; it seems like a good one.

posted September 22, 2003 11:55 PM              

Obsticles and disapproval, both temporary and more permanent seem to prevent this moon from getting what it needs. Always a price to pay for feeling good. Nonspecific fears may keep him in a state of edginess. Just a nagging anxiety, subconscious jitters that whisper the threat of a panic attack, or worse, out right hysterics. The need is for a feeling of quiet calm and an existance that is serene and dependable, but it's challenged when it seeks it. "How could you just sit there like that?! Why didn't you tell him where to go?! Why didn't you tell them ALL where to go?!" So, this moon is made to feel guilty when it's serving itself. How would this moon respond to those conditions? Depends. Where is it? In the 5th? In Taurus? Leery of "fun" for the sake of fun maybe, but needing it all the more. Leery of being creative, dreading opening the creative juices because there'll be a piper to pay if it's enjoyable. This could make a person rigid and awkward in relaxed fun settings. They may take the fun out of fun by making it feel like a critical task. "MUST ride every ride at the amusement park. No time to stroll. No time to gaze at the crowds. Now, march over to that fence right there and stand up tall. Ok, now, watch those fireworks...AT ONCE!!"
Or, sometimes they may just indulge themselves, then take their lumps later. And when you're ticking Saturn off, you can bet, there'll be lumps. Like, broken bones, broken hearts, stuff like that....????

posted September 23, 2003 06:06 AM              

I can tell you that he's one of the biggest worry worts in da world - I dunno, I've pinned that on this placement; don't get me wrong, though, it can be a nice kind of worry. It's a worrying about welfare, usually, although it can become an intense worry about the unknown future and betrayal (which probably has more to do w/ what we've talked about before than his Moon...or maybe an interaction?).

I want to write more in response to what you've said, but I've got to run to work right now.