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Topic: indian (vedic) and western astrology
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posted November 01, 2003 12:49 PM
 
the details...
sun sag 4th house
moon sag 4th house
asc virgoand according to western astrology
sun scorpio 4th house
moon scorpio 4th house
asc leo which should i rely on? i general which is true? ------------------
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posted November 01, 2003 01:18 PM
I don't know the answer but someone here can help you  I use whatever system is at www.astro.com and that seems accurate. ------------------
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posted November 01, 2003 03:08 PM
I don't know anything anything about Vedic astrology, if someone wanted to explain it that would be great!------------------
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posted November 02, 2003 02:55 AM
i was feeling so sleepy when u wrote my first 2 posts that i completely screwed up with this one.
the tru details are...
*western astrology*
sun sag
moon sag
asc virgo*indian astrology*
sun scorpio
moon scorpio
asc leo so what am i? sag or scorp? ------------------
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posted November 02, 2003 02:37 PM
Choose one system and follow it. Since details of interpretation vary, both systems can be correct. I would recommend Western, since that is the dominant system here.------------------
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lioneye68
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posted November 02, 2003 03:14 PM
Weird. Why do the two systems vary so much in sign placement? That really deminished Astrology's credibility to a newcomer who's still skeptical. Why do we have to make everything about astrology so debateable? Why can't there be just a fundamental set of rules that are absolutes - reliable and true every time? Open to conditional influencing, sure, but logically so. How the heck can you be a skilled interpreter of something that has no constants??? I'm afraid I have to disregard Vedic astrology altogether, because the lack of consistancy with Western Astrology makes me doubt the whole lot of it. BUT Western Astrology has alway rung true to me.So, if you ask me, you can shove Vedic astrology where the sun don't shine. (pun intended) IP: Logged |
Duality
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posted November 02, 2003 04:57 PM
The two systems vary because IIRC, the tropical is based on seasons while the Sidereal (Vedic) one is based on the 27 star constellations.
If one happens to have any planet beyond 23:30 degrees of any sign in the tropical, they won't be changing signs, just "go back" to the beginning of the sign (which is my case with almost all my planets).
The two systems have a lot in common but Vedic astro has some additional things in what concerns aspects. They don't necessarily contradict. They are complimentary! Vedic astro is also a lot more precise in what concerns Predictions while Western astro is more accurate in it's psychological analysis.I have found both to be very helpful.
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So, if you ask me, you can shove Vedic astrology where the sun don't shine. (pun intended)
How nice of you Lion to discard such an ancient art that more than a billion ppl have been practicing and relying on for thousands of years.
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posted November 02, 2003 09:28 PM
Perhaps....but less confused and frustrated that way  However, you have managed to clarify why there are differences, and I appreciate that, even though you felt you had to resort to name calling while you were at it. IP: Logged |
Duality
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posted November 02, 2003 10:09 PM
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So, if you ask me, you can shove Vedic astrology where the sun don't shine. (pun intended)
Lion, this remark from you was beyong rude. What if someone said it about Western astro which you like so much? What if someone told you PERSONALLY to shove it down there? There's a lot more to Vedic astro that could keep someone learning for many years. Until you've done that or even bothered to know what it was all about, don't be so fast to dismiss it with such contempt cause let me remind you - Many Western astrologers can't seem to agree among themselves about things. Not to mention how many "laymen/women" think astrology is BS - All kinds of it. IP: Logged |
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posted November 02, 2003 10:54 PM
If I had a nickel for every time someone bashed astrology right to my face, and basically told me only idiots believe in that stuff, well I'd have alot of nickels.
The philosophical 'parting of ways' prevelant in Western Astrology also frustrates the heck out of me. Placidus or Koch, or Equal house? Who knows?! Take your pick! Interceptions are very important. But am I using the right house system, so I can be sure my interceptions are for real? Who knows?! What are the indicators for marriage? The whatsamathing has to conjunct the whositcalled, OH NO! That's not right, the composite has to be trining the doohicky!It's just that when I want to know something, I want to know. BOTTOM LINE. There's so many descrepancies among Astrologers, and Astrology methodologies that I about lose my patience with it all sometimes. You can't get a straight answer most of the time, if you get any answer at all. It's like nobody really knows for sure. Unless, of course, you DISAGREE with something. Then, all of a sudden, EVERYONE knows better.
It's not so much the differing philosophies that annoy me, but the inability for anyone to explain their origins, or under what circumstances one might be better than the other, and why. Blah. I don't even know what I'm trying to say. I'm just irritable. Sorry.
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posted November 03, 2003 01:34 AM
I know Lion. I feel the same way many times. I really didn't mean to call you names,lol.BTW - As for
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The philosophical 'parting of ways' prevelant in Western Astrology also frustrates the heck out of me. Placidus or Koch, or Equal house? Who knows
Vedic astro has a very simple solution - The whole house-sign method. The ascendent sign (no matter what degree it is) will be the sign of the first house, the 2ed house will get the succeding sign and so on. The planets will fall according to their signs in the house/sign they should be in. Their logic for doing that is based on a few things:
They give great importance to signs and their lords. They maintain that the sign gives the whole "color" to the planet. That's also the reason that two planets in the same sign will always conjunct no matter the orb although they do recognize tighter orbs too.
They give HUGE significant to placement of a lord of a house in a certain other house.
They also have a whole system of "YOGAS" which are certain placements/configurations of planets or lords of houses.
There are many other things to it all. quote:
It's just that when I want to know something, I want to know....
If you want 100%, if you want certainty - Learn Math, lol.
I think we just have to accept that there is no "certainty" in astrology. Actually, that is a good thing cause putting the astrologer's skills aside for a moment, there's free will at work.
Getting certain answers is very nice - WHEN the answers are positive and glowing but what happens if you get a really bad prediction? Whould you like to know that it will happen no matter what you do and that you can't change it no matter what?IP: Logged |
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posted November 03, 2003 02:21 AM
Dear Dual,I agree there isn't 100% certainty for any atrological chart only Probablility. Other factors detemine outcome. Like.... ingrained belief systems, level of awareness and gut instinct. Free will as you said before. blessings,
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posted November 03, 2003 02:24 AM
chill up duality and lion. its ok. i'm skeptical about astrology itself. by the way, i came to know that there is a 24 degree difference in the placement of planets. vedic is minus 24 degrees that of western. and so te 5 planets i have in sag according to western are in scorpio according to indian.
and its true that the psychological understanding is better in western terms but predictions come out to be more true in indian, atleast for me.
but again i see my self more sag than scorpio. like i want to do manythings at a time and travel the world and avoid restrictions and etc...
thanks anyway.
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posted November 03, 2003 03:13 AM
historically, indians were the first to know and mention about all the 9 planets.
indians discovered '0'.
indians came to know about there neing something called atom. they anmed it 'anu'.
all these facts do describe that indian astrology can't be crap.
so being an indian i started researching for information about indian astrology on the web. and i came to know this...
the out planets- uranus, neptune and pluto are generational planets which decide the psyche of the generation. saturn gives structure to these psyche which is then passed on by the balanced jupiter. if we were to co-relate astrology and psychology we would come to know that outer planets are the one that effect the right brain of a person. to know more about the right brain search on the web.
now, as a normal person's day to day life is based on the idea laid down by more effective people, predicting without considering the individuality and detached thinking of the outer planets is more effective. for eg, in a city like NY with millions of people only a few are distinct enough in their fields and know the collective perspective. although there would ahd been many born at the same time as that person was in the same city. so only for this person uranu's detached thinking or neptunes psychic ability or plutos deep rooted thinking can be considered. the ancient indian astrologers knew thins and so they never brought the outer planets into pictures although in great scripters they are alwyas mentioned.
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posted November 03, 2003 10:06 AM
I think, because I have been posting enough to know other's individual reactions to certain things, and inherent personality traits, I am safe to say that Lioneye's reference to 'where the sun doesn't shine' is a funny astrological reaction to confusing philosophies, internal editing for peace within, and a pun-ny way to reference it, as she has a great sense of humour. I may be less sensitive, but I truly don't find offense in that, as I know it is tongue in cheek and not meant to offend anyone. I am not a champion on one method against the other, I think they can all potentially combine....after all, that is life, there are no certainties, you just have to find the idea/ parts of an idea, that resonate within you. It might be aliens and marshmallows for me, and that is my opinion, but that doesn't make your opinion about hampsters and puffed wheat any less viable for you. ( Hampsters and puffed wheat? I'm whacked today!)
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posted November 03, 2003 02:11 PM
 Yeah, you're pretty whacked...I like it. Thanks, Pixel...you're right, it was meant in jest, caused by my own confusion and frustration, but I guess it was read as offensive and disrespectful. Not something one should joke about I 'spose...Ah, well...one day I'll have ALL the answers - when I pass over the great divide. That's something to look forward to, me thinks. IP: Logged |
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posted November 04, 2003 02:51 AM
actually the 'one sign one house system' in vedic astro is a compromise to the fact that indepth psychological analysis need not be done for individuals. over the time even astrology became a business in india. while in west the individual is given first choice to do what he/she wants and to expand his/her horizon and then astrology is considered only if the individual wants to consider, things are compulsion in india. everthing is done on the basis of astology. from a child's name's initial alphabet to whom he/she marries. besides indians are over practical. no one thinks distince enough to explore his/her full potential. and whenever they do its is suppressed by more powerful but selfish people making it a complusion to 'follow the tide'. so most astrological data can me removed and just a general predictions is given which for an average indian comes out to be true. but for those flying high like our late prime minster indira gandhi all predictions by vedic astrologers came false and only western astro truimphed.
bejan daruwalla, a prominet indian astrologer who follows western astrology primarily says both system are true and should be combined.lets take an example. i have sun, moon, jup, uranus in scorpio and asc leo as per indian astrology. obviously it is a powerful combination. when i was 16 i wanted to become a fighter pilot. it came as a storm to my family and relatives. because i was not 'following the tide' i asked an astrologer if my stars supported me (they did but back then i didn't know) and all the astrologer would say is become a businessman or a doctor. such over practical the indian surronding is. and becomes of family pressure and tricks played by my double aries (western astro) father who other wise is also a leo with aries asc in vedic, i lost my dream forever. and now that i'm just doing a normal course vedic astrolgy predictions comes out to be more effective for me than western. ------------------
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