posted December 31, 2003 01:29 PM              

I've been looking at Chiron lately, as a needed planet to consider in synasty charts, but I can't find enough on it to use it yet.

posted December 31, 2003 01:38 PM            

Oh, and Hand says that the house placements and aspects are far more important in a composite, than what signs the planets are in.

posted December 31, 2003 02:07 PM              

Trillion, yeah, I think I WILL pop over there and check it out. Thanks!

posted December 31, 2003 06:37 PM              

.gloria

posted January 01, 2004 11:42 AM            

My natal Chiron lives in my 7th, and conjuncts his Mercury in his 10th. Soooo...cool.

But anyway, the reason for this post is that I was thinking of your dilemma. Ever considered the ties between Eros and Psyche? I'd heard about them a while ago, then just over the holiday bought the book "Mystic Medusa's Soul Mating." Silly title, I know! It was published in England, and it's kinda cool. Simplistic perhaps, but cool.

Anyway, not trying to barge in or reduce Lanny's valuable knowledge...but...

posted January 01, 2004 12:09 PM            

Oh, here's what the book says (and of course it has a vested interest), so take it for what it's worth:

The asteroids Eros and Psyche were named after the eternal lovers of ancient mythology. These dashing asteroids have become most linked to soulmating and True Love. They are the power players of the love game. These two are the most accurate astro indicators of our most secret sleves and the soulmating potential of any relationship.

I don't know if all that's true...but I do see their value.

posted January 03, 2004 07:48 PM              

*My Psyche's at
2d Aries in the 6th
*My Eros's at
9d Taurus in the 7th
(in between my 7d Taurus Venus and 11d Taurus Chiron)

Hm.

*Jase's Psyche's at
18d Scorpio in the 12th
*Jase's Eros's at
8d Aqua in his 3rd (his Sun's at 1d Aqua)
*Jase's Chiron's at 23d Taurus in the 6th

*Our Mid-Point Composite's Psyche's at
25d Cappie in the 3rd
*Our MPC Eros's at
24d Pisces in the 5th
(in between our 17d Pisces Moon in the 4th and our 29d Pisces Venus in the 5th)
*Our MPC Chiron's at
17d Taurus, at the very, very end of the 6th/very, very beginning of the 7th
(the Asc in this chart is 17d Scorpio)

Hm.
What do ya'll think?

Oh, der...our significant data is as follows:

Jase:
Sun Aquarius 01°41'28 - 3rd House, direct
Moon Taurus 02°30'27 - 6th House, direct
Ascendant Scorpio - 28°02'09
Mercury Capricorn - 18°28'16 2nd House, retrograde
Venus Aquarius 20°43'20 - 3rd House, direct
Mars Pisces 03°43'45 - 4th House, direct
Jupiter Sagittarius 05°02'27 - 1st House, direct
Saturn Scorpio 04°02'41 - 12th House, direct
Uranus Sagittarius 07°58'14 - 1st House direct
Neptune Sagittarius 27°59'50 - 2nd House, direct
Pluto Libra 29°29'58 - 11/12th House, direct
Pluto is technically near the end of house 11 and is interpreted in house 12.
True Node Cancer 03°54'09 - 8th House, direct
22 Jan 1983 local time 02:10 am
in Ancon, PAN

posted January 04, 2004 05:47 PM            

In your case, proxie, let's see...

In short, Jason's Psyche to your Eros--"the dynamic tension is truly something to behold. Often they are officially the complete opposite of one another, something is bound to be diametrically opposed. They get it on via an instand emotion of Not "wow, we are so similar" but of "You complete me." Happier than any other kind of couple to not just tolerate but relish the differences between them, they give one another 'free to be room.'

Your psyche to his Eros...serendipity strikes hard and fast as these two suddenly wake up to the fact that they're fully in love. Yes, this couple is the most likely to already know one another--they're so naturally compatible and happy together that they often bond on a purely platonic level, knowing from the start that this person is someone they want to have in their lives indefinitely. "

posted January 04, 2004 11:11 PM              

It's one Eros to another's Psyche right?

So you don't look at say, Eros to another's Sun, Moon or Venus? This theory is strictly Eros to Psyche?

This is very interesting...

Thanks,

.gloria

posted January 06, 2004 11:48 AM              

Was what you saw on about.com something like this?:

6. Immortal Lovers
(Ooh baby, ooh baby...)
Now here's one you probably haven't heard of before... I originally got clued into this connection by astrologer Kira Ivory, although I'm not exactly sure how she uses them. The Immortal Lovers concerns the minor asteroids named Eros and Psyche.

If this is a relationship between a male and female - then first look for the male's birth Eros conjuncting the female's birth Psyche. This even appears to work with sign conjunctions which aren't in orb. In my experience, finding this cross aspect between lovers is fairly rare... (If this is a relationship between same-sex partners, then first look for the more masculine partner's birth Eros conjuncting the more feminine partner's birth Psyche.)

Bringing it down a notch, this also seems to work fairly well with (in orb) aspect oppositions and squares. Then, to a much lesser degree, it can work with trines and sextiles. (Although, as a general rule I don't consider trines and sextiles when comparing Eros and Psyche.)

Then... check to see if anything's up between the female's birth Eros and male's birth Psyche. Finding a double whammy cross aspect between lovers (involving conjunctions, oppositions and squares) is rare...

Note: Finding a double whammy between family members seems to be rather common (which is sort of a scary thought, but consistent with many of the differing theories on reincarnation).

Paul's Eros was in aspect opposition Linda's Psyche and Linda's Eros was sign conjunct Paul's Psyche (another double whammy).

For those folks interested in checking for cross aspects between Eros and Psyche, the only software packages I know of that can calculate Eros and Psyche (such as Solar Fire 4) are a wee bit expensive. So a less expensive alternative (but somewhat difficult to master) is the free Astrodienst Online Advanced Chart Calculator which offers an option for manually adding in any of the asteroids. The asteroid number for Eros is 433 and the asteroid number for Psyche is 16. (For those who just can't get enough about Eros 433. Kim Falconer's site has info on all things Eros.)

posted January 06, 2004 12:02 PM            

But the book I bought goes further, and says even without an aspect within orb, there can be some powerful stuff between Eros and Psyche---BUT, I must say that as fun as I find the book to be, it is a bit overly simple.

pixel, what are the signs and I'll look it up for you...

posted January 06, 2004 02:45 PM              

Towards the upper right-hand corner, see where it says "CLICK TO GET ADDITIONAL TABLES"...

You'll get more detailed into. Even the Declinations!

.gloria

posted January 07, 2004 08:06 PM            

I'm just going to give you what this lil books says, keeping in mind it's simplistic, lay-person type astrology. Still, there can be value found in everything.

The book does not take into account exact aspects, but interprets sign-to-sign. Another reason it's simplistic...because, of course, you can have out-of-element aspects which could be very powerful and significant, but a lay-person wouldn't know that either.

And of course types of aspects color everything, but you guys already know that!

So pixel, for what it's worth:

Your Eros to His Psyche:
Always evolving, ths relationship is perpetual poetry in motion and a non-stop work in progress. It's as if eache 'adoree' must make constant -if tiny- attitude adjustments in order to let the love affair shine. If one or the other gets too stuck in a certain paradigm, the whole liaison starts to stall and, if they are not careful, bog down. It is amazing how often this romance is characterized by one of the parties loathing (or at least not much liking!) the other person. Yet, if this is the case there will be nonetheless a kind of incessant buzz at the back of their mind. Once sighted, these guys are never out of one another's minds. Another astro clue: they often meet each other at a time of personal crisis. The mutual emotion is like "Whoa! and now this!" They are also highly likely to be a rebound affair, albeit one that might go on forever!

His Eros, Your Psyche
Your friends suggest therapy as soon as possible but you don't give a damn what the shrink thinks. Nobody from the outside ever really gets this love affair but the people involved don't care. Not for one second. It is most likely to begin via an act of rebellion from one half of the pairing. Smehow, one of them is in riot about society and its expectations, so disillusioned and over love that it's not funny. This romance pops up as the proverbial bolt from the blue and each heals the other. It can even materialize like this: a brief encounter, a few words spoken and someone heads home to his or her life. The practical details of being together on a day to day basis bore this pair. They often seem to wind up in a dynamic that encourages them to polarize like a long-distance romance or some reason why they can't be too involved with one another's family. That's how it goes. And, as you might expect, this is an attraction that can quickly blow over. But when it doesn't? It lasts forever and a day. And still no one understands.

Pixel...my current love interest and I have that same his Eros/her Psyche...and it's a little uncanny. We met on the Friday after September 11th, few words, some attraction, never guessing how close we would become. And no one gets it! And...we do have a physical distance problem that may never be rectified. We'll see....

Hope this was of interest for you, I'll be curious to hear if any of it resonates.

posted January 14, 2004 08:17 PM              

Are there a brief set of rules expressed in the book, or is it all interpretational based on respective placments?

Thanks,

.gloria

posted January 14, 2004 08:29 PM            

.gloria, what the book does is a simple comparison between one person's Eros and the other's Psyche. But, the basis of the book is that this IS the sign of soulmates, the aspects between the Eros/Psyche. There may be something to it, and the book is fun, but I still think it's done simplistically.

According to the book:
"It's those dashing asteroids, Eros and Psyche, that have become most linked to soulmating and true love. They are the power players of the love game. These two are the most accurate astro indicators of our most secret selves and the soulmating potential of any relationship."