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Swerve
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posted January 07, 2004 01:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Calling all Fish,

Just wondering if any of you have figured out "the lesson". You know, the one that will see us become Godlike beings and understand the Divine. I expect a lot of us THINK we have the answer, and I'm sure hearing these would be interesting.

I wonder if the Lunar and Mercurian placements we have will affect our understanding and insight into these matters. I figure we are a little too quiet when really we are the ones walking the hardest path of all and learning things the other signs could possibly only guess at.

Anyone game?


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FishKitten
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posted January 07, 2004 03:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was much younger, I often wondered if the lesson of Pisces was pain...feeling it intensely whether it be our own or others'. As time went by, I began to think there was much more to it. We feel tend to be a very empathic sign and it occured to me that the pain I felt never lasted too long. I started to think that perhaps our lesson was that pain could be transmuted into joy...like alchemists always tried to transmute lead into gold. Of course, there are many lessons in any life and many are individual lessons, but in general, I think maybe we are alchemists.

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Swerve
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posted January 07, 2004 03:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Fishkitten,

I wonder if what you were perceiving there were the myriad sides to any emotion, situation, happenstance. So many perspectives to arrive at, so many positions you could take. Perhaps as old souls we can use the experience of life that we have accumulated through those lifetimes to interpret and compare all sides of a story, and with our penchant for looking for the meaning and indeed inherent love in anything we experience either first-hand or through another we make a connection that would be powered by "real divine inspiration".
But whether that is a skill or our actual purpose I am not so sure. Seems too obvious for the deepest of signs does it not?

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proxieme
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posted January 07, 2004 05:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was actually thinking about this post while walking around campus and putting up fliers for my department.

Perhaps, in a way, it's to see.
Not to "observe", not to comment, but to see - to let all that passes before us pass through us and to let emotions and experiences - both "our own" and those surrounding us (but, really, is there a difference to we Fish?) - envelope without overcoming us; and to finally remove ourselves from Reality as it presents itself even as we see and merge with the underlying Meaning and Oneness, Love and terrible Beauty that Is.
Perhaps "our lesson" is simply to Be.

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proxieme
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posted January 07, 2004 05:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But, backtracking - how is the above done in a world which requires Ego in order to function?

Eh.

Maybe not.

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icetickle
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posted January 07, 2004 05:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, I'm not a Pisces but my moon is in Pisces and I can't even explain what that has made my life like. Like fishkitten said, the pain is often turned into joy, but mine is often an isolated and lonely joy. I don't know why...

People can't tell how deep my emotions run, and I take that its because my sun in Sadge causes me to laugh and clown around (my mars is conjunct to my sun so sometimes I am a real fireball). People perceive me as aloof and detached at other times with my Aquarian ascendant. I really do feel very Pisces though and I try so hard to shake it off. 4 planets in Sadge and I still feel the effects of being born with the moon in Pisces and I don't know how to be comfortable with that, I search for ways to loose the oversensitivity. Sorry to be depressing but I'm having one of those days.

Don't get me wrong, I think Pisces is a wonderful sign, but I have had a very unusual life with hard experiences so I just wish my moon was somewere else so I would feel less pain for myself and the people who I have seen suffering.

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FishKitten
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posted January 07, 2004 05:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Prox...very well put.

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astro junkie
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posted January 07, 2004 10:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm also not Pisces, but I think I put out a very subliminal Pisces vibe, maybe due to Chiron, Pallas & Juno in Pisces.

In other words, my WOUND is a Piscean wound. In order ultimately heal in this lifetime, I need to find the key to universal love, and I feel like I've got lots to say already. In terms of the world, I've always felt like a child of the universe and have always believed I'm here to inspire people on a global basis, OK?

It's also VERY easy for me to break down my boundaries and merge with whatever is out there. Maybe too easy...

But the thing that's so void in my life which has taken it's toll has nothing to do with the world-at-large. My deal is not having been a truly loving relationship in my whole life.

If I didn't talk as much and let another make most of the decisions, I'd pass for a Pisces.

One thing I wish I understood about you's. HOW do you allow someone else to make the decisions? What kicks in? Sometimes I wish I really could take a backseat, per say.

Thanks,

.gloria

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proxieme
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posted January 08, 2004 01:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well...I don't usually let others make the decisions, at least not the major ones...but, then, I do have a Scorp Asc and a 29d Leonine Mars in the 10th exactly conjunct my 29d Leo NN and my Jupiter (by degree, at 3d Virgo).
AND I can talk quite a bit (but, then, I do have 3rd House Aqua Moon).

Re: the "usual" tendency of Fish, though: I suppose that it's because much of the time we kinda feel that it doesn't really matter who makes the decisions. They're just *decisions*, and *something* will happen - whatever was "meant" to happen - regardless of the decision-maker.
Much of the nitty-gritty of life often seems inconsequential to some Fishies, y'know?

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FishKitten
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posted January 08, 2004 01:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm Leo rising and Leo moon, so I make any decision that matters to me in the least. The rest of the stuff is just like Prox said...inconsequential to me and something will happen one way or the other, so I just don't worry about it.

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hooked
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posted January 08, 2004 02:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
astro junkie,

It's like proxieme was explaining, pisces know and believe that they will be taken care of no matter what. There's just no need to orchestrate everything, when we know that there is no absolute or correct way of going about things anyhow. I think we are more at home with taking in what is already set and finding our own way through creativity.

Hi Swerve,

When I think about the lesson, I think about what it means to swim upstream.

I think this can mean many things depending on where you are in life. For me, right now, it means getting a handle on building a solid sense of self that is apart from significant others or success or failures. Things can be wonderful when there are loving people around and things are in order, but when those things aren't there it's important to know that things are ok and we still have love inside of us.

I think pisces most valuable skill is compassion. If we can find ways to use this skill to move us rather than let it paralyze us, I think we would be swimming upstream.

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Swerve
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posted January 08, 2004 03:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Hooked, hope you are well.

For me there is a burning desire to discover the "truth" behind life. Surely, this is something only a Piscean can achieve. Yes, I too am aware that most things in life are inconsequential or relevant against the ultimate universal backdrop, but for me it goes further.
I sometimes wonder if life is a way of the universe acknowledging itself by creating an intelligent consciousness, thereby applying meaning as a natural by-product. In terms of religion (of which I subscribe to none in particular), "God" could be developing a system of improvement of human consciousness that covers all aspects and viewpoints, learning and building until it reaches a level of understanding that transcends simple human existence and provides an outlook from which he can himself experience his creation.

This is only something that I daydreamed through on the train and obviously isn't a working theory with much thought put into it yet. But I am consistently thinking upon these lines.....

Don't forget that most Pisces fall at this final hurdle...and compassion and understanding, plus the fact that we are all "psychic sponges" could possibly be the illusion Neptune uses to wean out the flawed guppies. All that emotion and sensitivity could prevent us from seeing the actual path ahead or above. Just a thought.....


Swerve

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financechick
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posted January 08, 2004 09:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pices Ascendant, moon and Jupiter here.

I agree on the deep emotions part, I cry so easily and get my feelings hurt so easily but I hide it very well. I'll be the first to tell you that I have a big old brick wall up around myself. As much as I long for love and a companion, I just can't (other's say won't) reach out for it because I fear hurt and betrail (or is it betrayl). But, i would say I can see a lot deeper into things that other's can't even begin to get a grasp on.

I don't know, in all honesty, I feel totally cursed with all these strong pices placements, really cursed.


just my opinion. hope I didn't offend anyone.

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PlayfulPonderingFishMoon
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posted January 08, 2004 10:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, this is a great conversation.


My two cents...


I suppose I believe that for me, with my own Pisces Moon, the ultimate lesson is truly about balance.


I am here to learn how to achieve the task of serving myself and serving others all at the same time.


This is an intoxicatingly difficult task sometimes, because of the pull of all the different energies I can feel all at once.


And it has really actually been a huge hurdle for me to finally "accept incarnation" in this lifetime as well...


meaning that you might say that I really didn't want to totally leave the "spirit world" behind to come fully into my life and embrace it and such until extremely recently, just within the last few months as a matter of fact.


I think the Pisces lesson for me is all about finding balance in every way that you can think of to find it as...


like finding the balance between Spirit and Earth, and finding it between my needs and everyone else's needs, and finding it between this and that, and finding it between here and there, and finding it between so, so many other things in life too.


Well, that's my discovery about it all anyway.


Has anyone else noticed a huge difficulty with achieving different types of balance in their lives as well?


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astro junkie
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posted January 09, 2004 01:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

My thoughts:

Pisces intuitively KNOWS the truth, but frequently chooses imagination and escape.

The following signs are not only dual, but deals with truth and balance:

Pisces - two fish - upstream/downstream
Gemini - twins - light side/dark side
Libra - scales - weighing between two decisions

Aquarius pours the water of humanity's knowledge out to all of us. Pisces ultimately gets to swim in it!

"God Consciousness" or Source, whatever you want to call it, is CELEBRATING it's self-knowledge through us. Very little of what we experience as life has anything to do with US.


FinanceChick:

Rough busy week, I haven't forgotten about you, plus learning more stuff on here and will pass on to you.
I know a lot of your fear of betrayal has to do with your "pride". And I don't mean "pride" in a bad way at all. Ego and pride keep all of us from going 100% insane in an instant. If we are all here as Players, yet in our own compartmentalized bodies we are aware of ourselves, without that tad of ego and pride, we'd go insane.

I've cursed my Cancer Moon more times than I can count. Try thinking of it this way just to see how it fits you... you're pride is alive in order to deliver to the rest of us the spiritual truths you find when you dive into deep Pisces waters.

.gloria

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NikiSpeedy
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posted January 09, 2004 02:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have plenty Pisces - Sun, Mercury, Jupiter, North Node Conjunct in 19 degrees in 4th house. All trining Scorp Asc, 23 degrees.

An element of truth to the comment Prox -- of just b e i n g. -- We are often way too quiet and people don't even know we HAVE opinions.

Lol -- i do believe that i am STILL working out my "mission." Miss Late Bloomer here. All those pesky inconjuncts in my chart, with Pisces planets being focal in a Yod. I have thots that I will surprise EVERYONE when i burst out of my shell in the near future -- i feel it coming on. hehe

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Swerve
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posted January 09, 2004 10:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi guys,

Just thinking about something I did as a chils that seems to be very Piscean to me. I remember how everything used to make an impression on me, from stories to movies (especially Disney), comics that I read of fantastic places, and more importantly fantastic people. Heroes that cared for other people and served with their actions. I noticed that the adults around me bore absolutely no resemblance to the characters I had adored and loved.
That is when I made a vow never to lose my childish innocence and the ability to see the real "magic" and "love" that were a part of the world I had envisioned entering. Still to this day I hold a large part of myself to this and resent the self-serving, greedy, ignorant and inconsiderate beings we call the human species. Is it any wonder we daydream when we clearly see and feel the potential in ourselves and others, only to be disappointed by their failure to find the best in themselves.
Perhaps my Scorpio Moon and Ascendant make me less forgiving that some Fish, and my Aquarian Mercury and Venus find it hard for them to present any other case than self-interest for their actions. But I still hold to my principles to keep that dream alive somehow.


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proxieme
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posted January 09, 2004 11:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's funny that you should say that, Swerve - I remember being a young child and saying, "I'm never going to grow-up, at least not to be like those around me."
Although I never had heroes.

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Swerve
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posted January 09, 2004 12:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Proxieme,

I wonder if that is a more common theme than we would anticipate? Maybe shows more insight into being Pisces than we might think.


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astro junkie
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posted January 09, 2004 10:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Again, for some reason I can relate to the Pisces energy. There was no child more impressionable than I. Totally with the fairytales (I saw Bambi when it originally came out in the theater, o.k.? And I still cannot even THINK about how that ends without my heart being totally crushed)...

Also... remember what is said about every sign's opposite. Although they may seem to be completely opposites, they actually contain THE EXACT SAME traits. It's like looking at the other side of the SAME coin...

So, Pisces IS very well known for being hypercritical, just like Virgo. Libra IS known for being great war strategist and can be confrontational, like the Aries. Aquarius IS arrogant just as Leo is.

I rarely, if ever, hear a Pisces talk about how they just "go with the flow", and are all-loving and into universal love without ALSO pointing out how "the world is so cruel" or having to put up with "self-serving, greedy, ignorant and inconsiderate beings we call the human species..."

And as the daughter of a TRUE Pisces father, I can tell you, I've been UNBEARABLY traumatized by his being so hypercritical of me. He cannot understand why everyone can't be just like him... Ironic, isn't it? He has very little tolerance...

We've grown to be very good friends, but not until I was about 37 years old, and until HE was capable of glimpsing his own imperfections without lashing out at me in a passive-aggressive way.

We're talking about a total genius man who can invent the lightbulb, but will expect YOU to screw it in because he doesn't know how to... Just like Einstein, in fact, born the same day, who often lost his way home.

.gloria

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financechick
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posted January 09, 2004 11:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ihave tos ay this, my sun is in Leo and there's always been this odd fascination or involvement with Aquarius', the current one isprobably the most aloof and goofy of them all.

BUT..back to the pices stuff.

I strive for balance but fail, if I could change my pices placements, I would in a hearbeat....even if it meant giving up my immortality (which I'm due this time around, my 12th is empty).

I find it extremely difficult to let people get "close" to me...al MUCH as I WANT that, I find difficulty in really putting into practice. I do not know how. Pices=sucks.

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Blazini
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posted January 09, 2004 11:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I've read, Pisces is probably the toughest sign to master. The soul-memory from past lives is the greatest in Pisces, and they need to tap these resources to successfully proceed to the next level of the evolution of the soul.

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astro junkie
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posted January 10, 2004 12:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey FinanceChick:

I was SO thinking about you today as I picked up some stuff at one of my favorite healing arts stores. You know what popped into my head about you?

Like I was saying earlier of how your pride will serve to keep you around to deliver to us what you learn from the deep waters. First let me ask you. I was wondering, have you ever thought of yourself as a warrior? Or have you ever felt like you were able to tap into the warrior in you?

(Hang in there girl... I'm giving you the best I have and you're in my thoughts as we try to figure out these mysteries together... I wish you were here in person...)

.gloria

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proxieme
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posted January 10, 2004 01:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aj - *shrugs*
I dunno...I rather like life & most of the people that I run across. There's so much Beauty where ever one looks. We all get mired down sometimes by the disconnect between ideal and...well...not (and I think Pisces does also especially with feeling alone in the middle of the world; we've all tried to show our real selves so many times only to be met with perplexed expressions); but then most of us see...Something Wonderful...in something that others only see as everyday, and we're all better again

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financechick
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posted January 10, 2004 02:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astro,

yes, I have...growing up, my father would call me his fighter..."she's a fighter"...but not in an aggressive way....it's not like I was picking fights with people... I just think he saw that at an early age I kind of sruggled with a lot of things and I always asked a lot of really deep questions when I was a kid. I struggled with why people treat eachother with cruelty..things like that and I was always trying to befriend the "outcasts" in school because I felt bad for them...and for me.

On the other side of that...being more "pices" than my Leo Sun, I feel like I have to fight to "swim" in this world, you know what I mean? I've come to the conclussion, life is cool, this world...is not cool.

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