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sthenri
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posted January 08, 2004 09:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone think that Scorpio moons are similar to Scorpio suns in their basic outlook? (negative and positive traits) I don't know if it's the same, dealing with a Scorp Sun versus Scorp moon, regarding communication and holding grudges. One is holding one because of what I said right now. What is your advice about making up, or not?

Natasha
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Oxychick
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posted January 08, 2004 10:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've had close associations with five Scorpio Moons that I know of: 1 Gem. Sun, 1 Aqua Sun, 1 Libra Sun (my oldest friend), and 2 Scorp. Suns. Oddly, none of them held grudges. Sometimes I wish my Scorp. Sun/Moon friend would hold a grudge so he wouldn't let himself be manipulated so often by the same situation.

I would say the decision to reconcile depends on the circumstances and nature of your friendship. Does this person want to make up with you? I hope it works out for you, whatever you decide.

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posted January 08, 2004 01:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the scorp moon person respects you, then they just need some time to feel alright about what happened. I usually don't mind straight forward comments that come from people that I respect and love. If you have a good relationship with this person, then you can expect to be ignored for a while..but the ties will not permanently severed.

As far as communication, there is probably nothing you can say to change the way this person feels (fixed). Allow them to have their emotions, and DEFINITELY do not tell them or give the impression they are ridiculous for feeling that way. You can tell them what you said was out of concern or care for them, but they already sense that. All you can do is be available when they are ready to talk. Then they might want to act like nothing ever happened and get back to feeling good again, depending on their sun.

Hope this helps you out a bit..

hooked
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Scorp Moon 4th House
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posted January 08, 2004 03:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey sthenri,

As a scorp moon myself, I have to agree with hooked. If I have a problem with someone I respect, i might be ****** for awhile but I get over it. And hooked is right, let me get over it on my own timeline, if you push me toward one way or another, I'll push in exactly the opposite direction.

Hope that helps...

Greg
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Scorp Moon 1st house

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Jazzebel
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posted January 08, 2004 06:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libra Suns/Scorpio Moons - would you please shed more light on how you feel, what you feel and all about being in love.
What is your statement of mind when feeling angry?
Gsinibaldi or Oxychick?( Oxy, you said your oldest friend is Libra/Scorpio)

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posted January 08, 2004 11:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Esthenri:

Wow... I never thought of that. But what do you think of this theory... If they are any other sign besides a Scorpio, and have Scorp Moon, if they've been "done wrong" their Sun may be better at hiding that fact, and/or distracting you from that fact.

Jezze:

For what it's worth, I'm Libra Sun, Cancer Moon, Merc/Mars/Neptune in Scorp. Because Libra is ultimately concerned with being fair, and as Linda says no matter what signs we have in our chart we find outselves being true to our Sun sign, with all that intense water it's like having to swim upstream all the time. It gets tiring, and we would LOVE a break from it.

Our constant challenge is to smoothly merge Feeling with Thinking. Until we learn how to, we are either experiencing life completely cerebrally or completely emotionally. It's great to have a partner who can accurately reflect back to us what it is we are feeling.

.gloria

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posted January 10, 2004 04:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Jazzebel,

Similar to Scorp. Suns, my Scorpio moon friends often feel consumed by their anger. They're quick to realize feelings of anger (not apt to be the sort of person who doesn't think they're allowed to feel angry). They never show it to the person they're angry at though-that Scorpio way making everything so secretive! You can tell when these Scorpio Moons are angry though because they'll be very short with you.

My Libra friend does realize when she's angry (she also has Aries Rising), but she's got that Libra stellium (Sun, Merc, Venus and Pluto) and she always talks to me about WHY she's angry and goes over and over the situation till she's satisfied her feelings are justified.

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posted January 10, 2004 06:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder if the Sun is in a water sign as well, if it would intensify that Scorpio Moon. I know a Pisces with Scorpio Moon who was an EXPERT at sabotaging himself.

If someone was Aquarius with Scorpio Moon:

Arsenio Hall
Mary Lou Retton
Cybil Sheppard
Gene Siskel
Elijah Woood

Or Gemini with Scorpio Moon:

Mario Cuomo
Elizabeth Hurley
Alanis Morissette
Prisilla Presley
John Wayne

To me, you get the "feeling" there is some intensity in there, but it's lightened up. Like all air signs who have to deal with intense water (like me), I still say, it gets really exhausting having to digest everything in order to funnel everything through to our light happy air heads. I'd guess most of us need a LOT of rest, and that extra special time to ourselves.

.gloria

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Jazzebel
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posted January 10, 2004 07:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmm...interesting, thank you Oxy and gloria

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posted January 10, 2004 08:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ju R vary welcum

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posted January 10, 2004 08:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AJ,
you are in a very very strange/funny mood these last two days... whazzup baby?
any fun transit?

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posted January 10, 2004 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Natasha,


Short story: give them time to brood. It will come out, but just kind of expect that cold shoulder for awhile.

Sorry, I wanted to edit this so that I didn't leave too much personal info on my brother.

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posted January 10, 2004 10:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jezze... you noticed...

The truth be told, I am trying to move past the "recent" past love entanglement, I'm trying to come up with not only the How, When and Where of how to meet someone new, but trying to get the courage to DO SOMETHING.

I've been celibate for 6 1/2 months now. I swore this wasn't going to happen again, but now I know I've got to get serious about finding THE ONE. Usually I don't mind playing at all. Meet super intelligent interesting and sexy guys. But I want to be the LUCKY girl this time, and I've never approached it all this way before.

What you see as strangeness is probably my Moon Crab walking sideways. I've usually relied on my faithful Mars in Scorpio because it gets the "job" done fast and well.

My T-Square with Capricorn & Cancer opposing has given me lots of trouble with getting in touch with my feelings for many years now. I mean, I'm either all discplined Cap or all feeling Cancer.

So I'm just afraid! But my T-Square Focal Point in Scorpio is like LET'S GO!!! And the Empty Space is in Aries, which means well... you can only imagine what happens if you let Aries energy go off blindly.

UH! I've got to get it right this time Jezze. I've been crying a whole lot. It's time...

My Libra Sun is finally going to get some justice!

PS: I haven't checked my transits. That's something I'm just now getting into and not quite good at figuring it all out, (without astro.com or something)

.gloria

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sthenri
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posted January 10, 2004 11:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I used to have a dog that dragged his leg to get attention and go to the vet. that dog was an emotional cripple, because she was faking it! We rewarded the dog so she got to go to the vet and she would do it again and again, driving me crazy. I feel there is a line between empathy for anger, and emotional control. I do not like being held hostage by a possible emotional cripple looking for empathy for past hurts.

BECAUSE there are people I have real empathy for in my life, a friend who is in a wheelchair for example. She never nurses hold hurts, or fishes for empathy. She is independent and strong.

So I have a hard time giving empathy sometimes especially to those who are defensive or never have any real pain in their lives. It's hard as a Taurus to see the real pain,and as a Cancer Moon I nurse hurts too that I try to let go. Instead I take over to find the emotional solution. This way I meet a lot of cripples because they are willing to whine but not looking for a solution. My Cancer moon always finds this out when it tries to fix the problem through real empathy.

My Venus Aries gives real and genuine caring, based on honesty. If it feels someone is dishonest about their emotions and acting, it gets angry.

For this reason I have had arguments with Scorpio Suns that have lasted for years. Eventually the arguments fade and our friendship is close, but it takes so long. I think Scorpio Moons are like that too. I do not always have the physical energy and I have noticed Scorpio moons, have a lot of physical energy I just don't have.

I am a day person, after 6pm I am tired, and emotions wipe me out, even with a Cancer moon, it's too much to process with all my fire signs pushing me to do something physical. Emotionally I want to do something, so I am pushed by my emotions to do more, causing me to be even more tired.

Natasha

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posted January 10, 2004 11:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll give you another example of an emotional cripple. Sexual abuse therapy center. man faking past abuse to listen to other people's stories. He actually believes it happened to me after a while.

Another, guy at AA meeting, trying to pick up women, who has a real alcohol problem too.

Another, woman who complains she has leg cramps on an airplane to get an aisle seat. She thinks she may get cramps and so justifies it to her companion.

Where do you draw the line between physical and emotional pain, and do you try to get before you give? In a perfect world, you would get what you give, but I see little giving.

Here is some more info on moons:
Perhaps the most crucial human function described by the Moon is mothering — the mothering you give and the mothering you got. We'll see that the two are nearly inseparable. A less sexist word for this function is nurturing — after all, we can get caring, feeding, and loving from our fathers and other people as well as our mothers. As grownups, men hopefully do take care of others (friends and relatives, as well as children), and this is one of the functions of the Moon in a man's chart, although an often suppressed or disguised one in our culture. For most people locked in a traditional upbringing, however, the Moon functions were most often filled by the mother, so the Moon in the chart may be read as the mother.

The Moon describes how well we can take care of others, gratify their needs, and how well we can accept those same needs in ourselves. It show how comfortable we are with dependency. Can we tolerate feeling dependent and actively go out to get those needs met? And, similarly, can we respond when others are dependent on us?

With a Moon in Cancer, for instance, dependency is strong. The person may be extremely dependent on others and show it; or, conversely, may hide their own dependency, consciously or unconsciously, by going all out to take care of others. The trap here is that this mother-to-the-world pose can leave the person drained and feeling even more dependent. A Moon in Aries person, on the other hand, places a high value on their own independence and has a very low tolerance for other people's dependency. It gets in the way of all those bright, shiny new things they want to achieve.

Psychology teaches us that our attitude toward dependency in ourselves and others comes directly from our parents, particularly our mothers. If the parent was able to deal with our dependency in a loving but balanced way — neither over-protective nor neglectful — then we will also be able to handle dependency appropriately. A Moon/Saturn or Moon in Capricorn person had a mother (or parents) who was dutiful but cold toward their needs and who pushed them to grow up too fast. A Moon/Neptune or Moon in Pisces person may have had a parent who was outwardly more sympathetic to their needs, but who was oddly elusive when the chips were down. Both of these people might have the same problems in responding to others as their parents did.

Like it or not, we generally become the kind of parents our parents were. As psychologically aware people, we may vow to raise our children differently than we were raised. Nevertheless, when the children actually come along, we are often dismayed to find ourselves sounding and acting just like our own parents. Why is this? The Moon shows the patterns, habits, and memories from our earliest years, many of which are unconscious. We live what we learn, and one of the things we learn from our parents is how to be a parent. Since it is mainly unconscious, these patterns are difficult to put under rational control. Children who were abused, for instance, very often grow up to be abusive parents.

Need for Security

The Moon also rules your basic sense of security, which early parenting influences in a crucial but unconscious way. It is unconscious because it happens long before the infant is able to think in words. It comes from the way the infant is held, how it is fed, and how it is responded to when it cries — whether all these things are done with love, with anxiety, with indifference, or even with hostility. At that time in our lives, we are totally dependent on the parent for our very survival. Thus the type of parenting you get at this preverbal stage shapes your attitude toward the world you live in. Is it a safe place or a hostile one? Do you feel lovable? Do you feel wanted or barely tolerated? An analysis of the Moon in your chart will answer these questions. In the preverbal stage, according to the theories of psychoanalyst Erik Erikson, we either develop or fail to develop basic trust. Basic trust means that we find the world, and the people in it, good and trustworthy. This stage has a very great effect on our ability to allow other people to be close to us, and on our over-all orientation to life.

The person with Moon in Scorpio, for example, learned very early not to trust. The parent may have pretended concern and caring (even to the point of being over-protective), but there was often some other, less loving motivation behind it. Many times, the parent was manipulative and controlling, while pretending to have only the best interests of the child at heart. Thus, the child learned to be suspicious and, in self-defense, to try to second-guess others and find out their real motivation. As an adult, the person often adopts some of the parents' controlling patterns of behavior. 

In contrast, the person with Moon in Taurus, unless the Moon has difficult aspects, had more positive nurturing. The parents were stable and accepted the child's needs. They were more forthright, not so hard to understand or so emotional as with the Moon in Scorpio. As a result, the child grows up secure and feeling that he and the world are basically okay. (Naturally, other aspects in the chart can modify this.) Taurus is the sign traditionally thought to be the best placement for the Moon — its "exaltation". We always have to ask ourselves, "Best for what?" since Moon in Taurus has its drawbacks also, but for a sense of basic trust and security, it is a good sign.

Each person needs different things in order to feel secure, and the Moon in your chart shows the conditions under which you would feel most emotionally secure. A person with the Moon in the eleventh house would feel most secure when surrounded by friends or in some meaningful group. Someone with the Moon in the seventh usually only feels secure when involved in a long-term intimate relationship. The sign and house position can conflict — to have it in Aquarius means there is only security in freedom and change. The Moon in Aquarius in the fourth? Better invest in a mobile home. Many people may judge themselves harshly. For example, the Moon in Aquarius in the fourth person may say "It's bad for me to be so restless." Astrology can help you recognize those needs as valid and important and help you set out to meet them.

Generally, the Moon's sign, house, and aspects will describe your actual mother — to the extent that sometimes the child's Moon sign is the mother's Sun sign. What is interesting, however, is that children in the same family may have vastly different Moons. In one family, for instance, the older brother and sister both have Moon in Aries, but the younger sister has Moon in Scorpio. The older children were both encouraged to be independent (Aries), but at the time the younger sister was born, the mother nearly died. (Scorpio is sometimes associated with death.) For that reason, perhaps, the quality of the relationship between the mother and the younger sister was very different. She was pampered, overprotected, and called "Baby Doll" up to the time she was 14. We can speculate that the mother unconsciously resented that child bitterly for bringing her so close to death, but covered this feeling up by the overprotection and pampering. (This is one pattern you may find with Moon in Scorpio.)

Why do these discrepancies in Moons in the same family occur? What the Moon describes is not the actual mother, but the child's experience of her. That is, it doesn't show the mother as a total person separate from the child, but only the child's-eye view of her. Parents cannot treat all children alike — some children are better loved, some rub you the wrong way, some remind you of people you love or hate. Then, too, conditions in the home can change, and this can cause a difference in the mothering.

You can actually trace the history of a family through the sequence of Moons in the offspring. For instance, an early child or two may have Moon in Taurus, showing a warm and giving relationship with the mother. After the birth of a third child, however, perhaps economic conditions force the mother to go to work. Perhaps that child is born with Moon in Capricorn, showing that the mother is now more serious and intent on business, with less left over to give the child when the work day is finished. There are still similarities — both Taurus and Capricorn are earth signs — but the third child doesn't experience as much warmth from the mother, and isn't allowed to be a baby long enough. The mother pushes the child to grow up and be less of a burden on her, because she is worn out from working.

To take another example, sometimes a child with Moon in Libra (or other crucial placements in that sign) is conceived because the mother feels it will cement a marriage that is breaking apart (or, if not yet married, in the hope it will induce the man to marry her). This strategy rarely works out, because in reality a new baby puts a great stress on a relationship, even one that is working well. So, when the already-strained relationship breaks up or becomes more distant, the mother turns to her Moon in Libra child for the love and closeness she is missing from the child's father. The child then grows up needing that kind of constant closeness and being strongly motivated to form relationships. This may be a person who can't stand to be alone — it makes him/her insecure and unhappy.

Dealing with Emotions

The Moon in our chart also shows our emotions and how we deal with them, as well as how we respond to the emotions of people around us. This, again, relates back to the nurturing we had as a very young child. How well our parents responded to our emotional expressions has a great deal to do with what emotions we allow ourselves to feel and how we deal with them and with other people's emotions.

Air Sign Moons

In the case of people born with the Moon in an air sign (particularly Gemini and Aquarius, not so much Libra), the mother was often cold to the child's emotions and tended to detach herself from the child when it cried or expressed some other emotion the mother found unpleasant. As a result, the child learned to cut off all emotions and to be detached from them... it was either that, or lose the mother's love and approval. In an extreme case, this can lead to a schizoid-type person, detached from all emotions. Often, with the air sign Moons, the mother could handle feelings only on an intellectual basis, asking the child to explain them away or make them rational. (But, then, there is little that is rational about our feelings.) As adults, these people intellectualize feelings rather than being in touch with them. They want to talk away their emotions and the emotions of other people. I've seen cases where imitative Moon in Gemini people know intellectually that people are supposed to have feelings about certain situations, so may counterfeit emotions that aren't really there in order to be more socially acceptable.

Earth Sign Moons

Earth sign Moons can also have a certain amount of difficulty in dealing with emotions. If you can't see it, touch it, or taste it, it ain't real. Moon in Capricorn and Virgo want to analyze those "irrational" feelings away. Moon in Taurus is more accepting of emotions and of nearly everything else, but will work hard to restore serenity. The primary emotion Moon in Capricorn or Virgo people allow themselves is melancholic self-recrimination over their lack of perfection — an emotion that arises directly from their parents, who were over-critical. Nonetheless, earth sign Moons approach emotions on a practical level — trying to find out what's causing the problem and what concrete steps can be taken to alleviate it. For that reason, they can be a Rock of Gibraltar to others who are going through an internal emotional crisis and who, as a result, are having difficulty dealing with the demands of the outside world.

Fire Sign Moons

Fire sign Moons (Aries, Leo, Sagittarius) respond more actively, and even aggressively, to most situations that confront them in life, and that goes for emotions too. They instinctively mobilize to stop the thing that's bothering them, or to go after the thing they need. Anger is an emotion most of us have trouble dealing with, but here the fire sign Moons are better off than most, unless there are difficult aspects from planets like Saturn, Pluto, or Neptune. The main lack I find in the fire sign Moons is sensitivity to other people's feelings. They are so 'gung ho' about doing their own thing that they don't readily slow down to consider how you might feel about their actions. You first have to get their attention. Then, if you are somehow identified as being part of them (typical of Aries or Leo), or if their ego gets involved, they will respond to your emotions the same way they'd respond to their own — "Charge!"

Water Sign Moons

Water, in occult studies, refers to emotions, and the water sign Moons are the most emotional of all. Some unsympathetic souls even say they revel in it. With Moon in Cancer or Scorpio, a considerable amount of energy is invested in discovering, experiencing, and digesting emotions. Paradoxically, Moon in Pisces, which is potentially the most emotional, constantly attempts to escape from unpleasant feelings, leading in some cases to an addictive personality or to living in a fantasy world. Water sign Moons are also very sensitive and responsive to other people's feelings. Often, on an intuitive level, they feel what you feel. The primary difficulty with water sign Moons is getting so hung up in their emotions that they lose some effectiveness in dealing with the outside world. With emotions, as with most other things in life, we need to strike a balance.

To conclude, the Moon in our birth charts has a very great significance, and the fourth house, which is connected with the Moon, rules roots and foundations. If the Moon in your chart is placed in a difficult sign or receives difficult aspects, then something went wrong in laying the foundations or establishing roots. In such a case, dependency and the ability to trust are deeply affected, and you may also have difficulty in dealing with emotions in a balanced way. Thus, getting a good understanding of the Moon in a chart is extremely important.

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posted January 11, 2004 02:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sthenri:


You took on quite mission providing your take on the influence of the Moon, and it's impressive. Thank's to the horizon and back.

Wow...

I learned a whole lot, even though I thought I had the Moon pretty much covered. One thing I've probably never really thought of, at least not for many years, is my mother almost died during my birth. It was really complicated.

She was an exceptional mother from the view of the outside world (Capricorn Sun), but I've NEVER felt warm from her. As I got older and began, much to her surprise, to challenge her, she withdrew even more, and more, and more, until she literally resigned her title of "mom". (I was only child)...

It gets much worse, she was physically abusive about 3 or 4 times, when she would like totally lose it. And much later I began to realize my mom was not all "there". Albeit, from the view of the outside world, she's fine.

Well, I've always had SERIOUS trust issues, but only recently began to really understand that no matter how much I tried to fill the void myself, my trouble with "trust issues" have accumulated. And I'm not being "victim" over this, like it's all her fault. I'm just saying, I'm connecting the dots as I go.

Of course, I'm sure you've read my panic over my 4th House being totally jinxed.

Well...

In regards to the Moon, you've prompted me to take another look at the house placements in relation to all the sub-categories you posted. I'm going to have to know more about my Cancer Moon in 3rd House. I also have Moon Opp Mars, Jup & Sat. And it just goes ON and ON... the T-Square Cancer Opp Cap...

Anyways, I'm just analyzing out loud. You brought up some amazing and insightful points.

.gloria


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Some info I found


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I found this on 6th House Moons:

Key phrase: Work security , means that, as a very helpful person you like to make yourself indispensable through being of service. You are excellent at tuning in to the physical needs of others, and generally happy take on a lot of tasks - both in your career and around the house. If you are not careful however, other people will take advantage of you. You may be reluctant to say no because of your dependence on the goodwill of others. You may also waste too much energy on menial tasks, thus getting distracted from the broader visions in your life. As you are very sensitive to your working environment, you tend to worry too much about how other people are feeling. Learn to tune in to your own needs, so that you can set limits in relation to the imagined demands of others.

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And this on Moon aspecting Saturn

Key phrase: Self-sufficiency.
Your childhood was probably rather difficult. You may well have felt rejected by your mother, perhaps because she worked too hard and had no time for you, perhaps because she had problems of her own, perhaps because she was blocked emotionally. Whatever the cause you have reacted to rejection by withdrawing behind a protective barrier so that you can't be hurt. Moreover you may also have a tendency to try to win love and acceptance by doing duties taking on family responsibilities. Emotional responsibilities founded on guilt are not wise, particularly if they carry on into middle age.
The situation is perhaps more complex than you imagine. You were born with a strong emotional hunger and need for security, and it is possible that your mother could not fulfil your demands. You may have interpreted her reactions as rejection, and in turn rejected her when she wanted to be warm. Whether this is true or not, you are very difficult to approach now when you are hurt, and you have the emotional resilience and determination to withdraw emotionally for quite long periods of time. However, as time goes by experience will teach you the importance of cultivating an open emotional attitude - it is much less painful in the long run. Ultimately you can be of great assistance to other people who have emotional problems, and you can be quite unselfish in giving time and assistance.
You are extremely sensitive emotionally, but present a very solid facade to the outer world, giving the impression that you are quite cool, even invulnerable. Behind your formal manners is a person who was never fully allowed to enjoy a carefree childhood. At an early age you took responsibility in the family, repressing your own spontaneity and lowering your expectations because of emotional hurt. In later relationships you have difficulty letting down your protective barriers, even though you have a deep desire for intimacy. If you do get hurt emotionally you rarely let on, and you close the shutters on your feelings so that your loved one has no chance to make amends. After the age of 30 you learn more successful strategies for intimacy. First of all it is essential for you to be emotionally self-sufficient - if you sell yourself for security, you will end up in a prison. From a position of inner strength you can then allow yourself to be more trusting and vulnerable - you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by opening up emotionally without making any demands.


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And this on Moon aspecting Uranus

Key phrase: Unpredictability. Extraordinary circumstances regarding your relationship to your family - particularly your mother - and your general upbringing, have evoked a very detached emotional attitude in you. In all probability your relationship to your mother was characterised by a sense of equality or of friendship, rather than traditional patterns of dependence. From one point of view you were never allowed to feel a natural dependence and you protected yourself by developing detachment, but from another point of view you rejected your mother whenever she tried to assume the traditional maternal role. There may also have been an element of unpredictability about your mother's behaviour - a situation in which you never quite knew what she was going to do next.
Later in life you display this inherited tendency to detach yourself when encountering emotional challenges. You send the unconscious message that you are quite prepared to leave if there is going to be too much trouble, and that you can handle your own freedom. Of course you can, but this means that you end up in half-relationships in which you are neither living with, nor quite living without the partner. When you discover that your love of freedom and independence is partly a device to protect you from getting hurt emotionally, you learn to express feelings of commitment with greater warmth, and this in turn creates more security for the partner, who will reciprocate by showing greater commitment.
You do not have conventional desires as far as domestic harmony is concerned. In your childhood there were many unsettling influences and a general atmosphere of unpredictability , excitement or stress. You need to feel that something is happening around you. This means that you can get very restless in relationships, and if you feel bored - and you often do - then you start getting provocative. You are best suited to relationships which keep you occupied with new daily challenges - and you have a strong need to express your emotional energy in group scenarios. Your partner will not be able to satisfy your need for stimulation on his or her own. You thrive in unusual domestic relationships - for example communal living, flat-sharing or residence abroad. For partnership to function satisfactorily it is essential that you stop distancing yourself emotionally - this gives the impression that you do not care for your loved one.


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Found this on 7th House Moons:

Key phrase: Tuning in to others , means that, most of your emotional life revolves around your partnership. You form a strong bond at an early age when you are still emotionally immature. You are strongly motivated by security and stability in your relationships, and will be attracted to a partner who can provide this. Men in particular have a tendency to choose a mother figure. Women tend to take on the role of mother in partnerships. Despite the need for stability, marital life will fluctuate wildly. These emotional ups-and-downs are a result of your over sensitivity to the emotional state of your partner. You have difficulty distinguishing between what you feel and what your partner feels. Your concern for the partner's feelings paradoxically evokes exaggerated reactions from him or her. Learn to tune in to what it is you really feel, and allow your partner to have his or her moods without constantly imagining they have something to do with your actions. When you integrate your emotions in this way, your partner will be grateful to be able to express emotions in peace without always having to have consideration for how you will react.


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And this on Moon Aspecting the Ascendant

You are a moody person and will often find yourself affected by fluctuating emotional states - especially through worrying about family matters or security issues. You have a deep appreciation of the power of the unconscious and instinctual behaviour. In your dealings with people unspoken feelings have far greater priority than rational concerns or argument. You are finely tuned to changes in atmosphere, and adjust accordingly.

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posted January 11, 2004 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cristiname     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow, sthenri...

wonderful work... thank you...

For me, it's never too much to know about the Moon. It may be my Scorpio touch, but I do feel it's the most important aspect of a chart/personality.

For those of you who don't know it yet, there's this GREAT book: Moon Signs, Donna Cunningham. Very helpful in understanding the psychodynamics of it: how it works, how did it get that way, etc.

In my own case, the Scorpio Moon description works perfectly; and also the strange combination of it being conj Uranus (ruler of my chart). My mum and I are more like friends, and I was treated like this since...I was born probably (cos I was so "so very smart and I would understand"); but deep down I resent her for it and I feel somewhat betrayed and cheated out of my childhood (Capricorn Venus! I'm a fully functional kid NOW at 26 )

anyway, that book and the knowledge on Moon helped me realize the Scorpio side of my Moon (the Air/Aquarious/Uranus was there for the practical benefit of ignoring my feelings - Capricorn Sun-Venus). It helped me acknowledge my deep turmoil and let it "live".

It may take some time, but I'm getting "there".

Cris

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posted January 11, 2004 10:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hm...what would ya'll say about the following Moons?

Moon in the Sixth House
Moon in Taurus
Moon Opposition Pluto
Moon Opposition Saturn
Sun Square Moon
Moon Trine Midheaven
Moon Trine Neptune
Moon Sextile Mars

and

Moon in the Third House
Moon in Aquarius
Moon Opposition Midheaven
Moon Square Ascendant
Moon Square Venus
Moon Trine Saturn

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Proxieme:

I just posted info on a few of the ones you list. How did you like them? Did they apply?

.gloria

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I am glad everyone appreciated the moon information, it is the foundation.
Does anyone here have a void of course moon? It's said to mean a lack of strong emotion, or an unaspected moon? Mine has a weak square to venus and it's void of course. The square to venus makes me love "ugly things" things that are not conventionally beautiful.

Here is an article about it http://www.astrologyguild.com/voidofcoursemoon-annemassey.htm

We all know that the transient void-of-course Moon is not the time to start new things, force issues or carry out important negotiations. Neither should we go on a shopping spree, unless we like having "useless" unused or unusable items just taking up space. It is a time to kick back, relax, meditate, and to tend to unfinished tasks. Excellent time to polish off creative projects and the like requiring imagination.

Before looking at the natal void-of-course Moon, let's think about the Moon's role first. It is the heavenly body, which reflects the rays of the Sun. The Sun is vitality, ego and the most prominent planet in the natal chart - the Moon shows its reflection. Reflection is an interesting phenomenon, pick up a photograph of yourself then stand in front of the mirror. Does one of your eyebrow sit higher or is there a birthmark on one side of your face? Fascinating isn't it? You see the opposite of that photo's reflection in the mirror. This might be the simple explanation to why you may not think your photograph is a good one i.e. really looks like you. Others see you that way, but you are used to your mirror image instead.

How accurate is the Moon's reflection, that mirror image, in your life? Is it no wonder that the Moon is such a subjective planet? The Moon is about emotions, reactions and instinctive behaviour. When that Moon is making aspects to planets in your chart, you get feedback, but when the aspects aren't there, you receive less feedback. Out-of-orb and minor aspects do count but a semi-sextile doesn't talk to you as loudly as a sextile. Parallels are weaker than conjunctions, etc.

Before I go further, I want to emphatically state that there are no right or wrong reactions, responses or emotions. These are simply different. My own Aries Moon reacts instantaneously, and I do something about it. My husband's Gemini Moon wants to talk about it first. Imagine what happens when our void-of-course Moon sons (we have two) are at the receiving end. We get no reaction from them, at the very least it is not an apparent, visual response. They have a different perspective than we do, us on-course-Moon parents. There is incredible depth to their perceptions and immense control over their reactions. It is, as if they know something that us on-course-Moon people cannot fathom.

Let's go back to people's reactions during times when the Moon up in the sky is void-of-course. People are non-committal, almost indecisive, less focused on the practical issues of life and temporarily without a focused direction. If you want a loan, a new job, or to avoid a tax audit, proceed with Moon thusly placed and you'll have nothing to worry about or nothing will come of it.

I personally believe that individuals born with the Moon void-of-course exhibit the traits the rest of us only experience briefly during Moon void-of-course periods. Emotional issues that throw Moon on-course individuals into a loop don't appear to have the same impact on Moon void-of-course individuals. Let's take a grave emotional issue, such as a death, Moon void-of-course individuals are more capable of rationalizing the issue, and making it more matter of fact. There are fewer ties to major emotional themes, the Moon is allowed to act and react without input from other heavenly bodies. Perhaps this void-of-course Moon could be classified more fatalistic or fated. On the flip-side let's look at a trivial matter, to a Moon-on-course individual, such as a pot plant that withered away while left unattended for a couple of days - I have observed many of void-of-course Moon get upset for days over this insignificant event.

I have also observed how void-of-course Moon individuals tend to fall into jobs, marriages, and other situations that form the basic story lines of human life, through fluke not by apparent design. These void-of-course Moon individuals are not in the least materialistic; pursuing riches is not on their agenda. They go with the flow unless we are talking about moral issues and ethics; they do not take injustice lightly. Void-of-course Moon people, in my opinion, take a very strong stand on what is right and what is wrong, no shades of gray here. Mind you I do not think they are judgmental, but strong ethics appear to be a very inherent, natural trait.

Hilary Clinton is a Pisces Moon void-of-course in the 10th house First Lady. It is apparent that her emotional reactions are very much under control. We could further speculate that she got where she is by fluke in as much as she is not the one who ran for office. She may have known all her life that this was her destiny, and because of it she went with the flow. Maybe the social issues she could right from that position were her motivating force. Perhaps Bill's doings are totally irrelevant as long as Hilary is allowed to complete those goals.

It is important to note that when an individual has a Moon void-of-course that Moon is placed late in the sign. Late degree planets are indicative of qualities, characteristics and traits that are well developed, honed almost to perfection. Maybe the fatalistic categorization isn't that far fetched after all. The emotional responses of a void-of-course Moon individual are almost those of a Buddhist monk or similar religious person learning the art of detachment in order to find enlightenment. With less attachment it is easier to navigate through life and to form fewer bonds requiring a return trip in a new body. It is more difficult to create new karma because by staying detached you are evoking less reactions from others.

© Anne Massey 1988-2002

Don't ask me how it's calculated, because I am not sure yet.

Uranus aspecting the Moon is a really interesting one. I am always attracted to others who have this aspect with me in synastry or composite. I do have "half relationships", and I do not always show how I feel when I am in love. I am working on that.

Natasha

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posted January 12, 2004 04:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sthenri - How do you know your Moon is Void of Course?

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posted January 12, 2004 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Natasha,

You really hit the nail on the head.

My Aries moon is in my 7th house. It opposes Uranus in Libra in the 1st and completes a T-square by Squaring Mercury in Capricorn in the 4th.

My Sun is also in my 4th house

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posted January 12, 2004 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cristiname     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Natasha,

"Uranus aspecting the Moon is a really interesting one. I am always attracted to others who have this aspect with me in synastry or composite. I do have "half relationships", and I do not always show how I feel when I am in love. I am working on that."

pls explain that... what has that aspect got to do with "half" rel? Your Moon their Uranus or vice-versa? Cos, either way, I don't get it! Sinastrically, that's an aspect of ATTRACTION! pure and simple. INFATUATION, maybe.

pls explain!

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Pidua, I see where you are coming from, my mercury is in the 7th and understanding why anyone would do that is beyond me too. I think 7th house is about commitment and sharing in love, and so it hurts to be abandoned emotionally. There has to be a balance when you love. I truly believe we are defined by how and who we love.

Gloria, I don't know yet, Zorana told me

Natasha
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Cancer/8th house Moon

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