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lioneye68
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posted January 13, 2004 03:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chalk full of good information!

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Relationships
By Carol Rushman

Reprinted from Vol X #3 of Kosmos. It is an excerpt from two very lengthy lectures at the 1980 SWAC Conference.

What people are looking for in relationships is that intangible glue that holds them together.

First you must look at the person's own chart to see how they are able to relate! Look at the personal planets and the 1st and the 7th, the sexual houses and the whole chart.

First look how the Sun and Moon are aspected in your own chart. It is one of the most wonderful things if they are aspected harmoniously. That is relating well with all people. Their parents were in love when they were conceived. The inner and outer selves are in tune. Your ego drives are very comfortable with your emotional nature. Mars and Venus in harmonious relationship is also wonderful to have in relating well to people, because your desire and need nature are in harmony. We all have a time when we will get this by progression. I also look to see how the personal planets are related to Uranus, Neptune and Pluto (Saturn too), because those planets work on a subliminal level. Someone with a lot of Pluto contacts with personal planets will get into a lot of competitive relationships. Pluto plays games. Don't play a game with a Scorpio. You will lose. There are potential power struggles. You are either controlled or controlling. That certainly is Pluto in the 7th house. You give away your power and then take it back and disrupt the relationship; also competition and jealousy. By aspects I mean soft and hard. Pluto trine Moon can be emotionally manipulative; not as bad as the square, of course.

Uranus is the planet of excitement and dramatic change plus freedom, independence and individuality. So, if you have a lot of personal planets with Uranus in aspect, are you ever going to let anybody structure you? They like the romantic and excitement and the relationship will go well until you ask them for something...Anything. It is fine so long as you are doing all the giving and not asking them to relate to you. You are letting them be free. If you men, see a woman with Sun, Mars and Uranus in a T square, you can pick up your drink and go to the other end of the bar. If men have a T square with Sun, Venus and Uranus, women should do the same.

Neptune is all that illusion, confusion, delusion, fantasy, glamor. This person is always looking for the ideal. If you are a strong Neptunian person or under a Neptune transit, what you fall in love with is the Christ consciousness within. So Neptune with the personal planets is looking for the glamor and fantasy, perfection and the ideal. If you put someone on a pedestal, you have to be prepared to have them fall off.

Saturn is different. With Venus, it will cool the love nature, even with a trine. There is more fear, hesitancy, and inhibition. Saturn is not subliminal as are the outer planets.

Something else important is how much is that person going to contribute to my life and mine to his? For instance, if you have a negative aspect in your chart, someone can come into your life and reinforce it and bring that out in you, or they can ease it if their aspects will make it a trine or sextile. It will be easier for you to deal with that aspect.

I have a Mars-Saturn square. It is great for work and accomplishment. People who come into my life and make it a T square really bring out the worst. Because squares are so charismatic and magnetic you attract that in. If you have a square like this, don't invite someone in who will make it a T square.

Through the planets in the houses you psychologically affect the other person. The contacts through the ascendant are always dynamic points of contact. I have a Capricorn ascendant and am drawn to Capricorn Suns. I am overtly acting out my Capricorn thing. So a Capricorn who is getting more into becoming his Sun, is drawn to the way I overtly manifest my Capricorn nature. It is a mutual affinity. First house contacts are very dynamic and very powerful. It is very hard to get in touch with 12th house planets. If your planets fall in someone's 12th house, they will not clearly relate to that part of your personality. If we are not balanced in some area, someone can supply it and we can build that quality into our personality.

Moon ties are fluctuating. If you have no squares between your charts it will go down the drain...too dull. Moon has to do with instinctive habit patterns, the emotional nature and the personality. It describes your attitude about home and nurturing. If you have a T square and someone comes in and makes it a cross, it is better. Your Sun in the house it is in, will either shine, scorch or enlighten.

The inconjuncts are interesting. It is like out of sync. If two people have inconjunct Suns together, they miss each other. A square clashes and resolves the difference, but with the inconjunct, you never really know what that person is all about.

When I begin, I look at the Sun because the Sun is your vital life force, your Ego. I look to see how your Sun relates to the other person's Sun and to see if your energies will work in a harmonious way. Oppositions are good in synastry. I look for a lot of close aspects between the two charts.

Venus-Saturn between charts really hold people together; because Saturn is like glue. The square will hold just as tight. I don't give too much hope for a relation without a Saturn tie; because Saturn says, I will be responsible for you, cook, work, etc. You will see charts of Saturn in one, conjunct Mars in the other. It is not very good, but it is quite magnetic. If a woman's Saturn sits on a man's Mars, she will many times by her ambition, hopes and aspiration for him, cause him to be psychologically impotent because there will be a sexual manipulation if he does not perform out in the world as she thinks he should. A man's Saturn on a woman's Mars will make her feel inhibited. She will not feel free. She too will have problems. Mars-Pluto can incite violence, especially if you have it also in your own chart. Pluto on the ascendant or angular, is your own power and it wants to transform life. You will notice these people. They have a strong sense of power. Pluto opposite Mercury can be violence with the tongue. I like to see nice Mercury contacts between the charts. If none, a Moon-Mercury will give you the ability to communicate. If they are square, they will miscommunicate; but they can work it out. When they are quincunx, what one person sends the other person does not receive. It is again out of sync.

The 1st cusp is who you are and the 7th is what you are seeking in a relationship. The 2nd house is what you bring to the sexual relationship and the 8th is what you are seeking. If you have Aries on the 8th house, you would seek out an initiating, sexually dynamic partner. With Libra on the 2nd you would provide a lovely setting for the relationship...candlelights and music. Taurus on the 8th-- the person seeks a beautiful body; a good physical form. Scorpio on the 2nd, you probably have the ability to transform that person through that sexual experience. There is a lot of power and magnetism that the other person is made aware of. Gemini on the 8th seeks experience, communication and new knowledge. They like you to be different. Any one with Gemini, Virgo or Mercury in the 8th or ruling the 8th wants to communicate first. They first want to get into your head. Sagittarius would bring to the relationship a depth of knowledge and experience, a freeness and honesty. Cancer on the 8th seeks nurturing emotional experience and security. Capricorn on the 2nd would bring to the sexual experience dignity and control. Leo on the 8th would seek someone who was dramatic and make them the whole dramatic figure. They would like generosity. Aquarius on the 2nd would bring to the relationship innovative techniques, inventiveness and uniqueness. Virgo would seek someone very technically able, mentally bright, very meticulous. Pisces on the 2nd can provide immersion into a wonderful world and sexual experience. They would be losing themselves in the experience. Thank you.



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trillian
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posted January 13, 2004 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool info, thanks lioneye!

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lioneye68
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posted January 13, 2004 04:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My pleasure

I like what she said about Saturn aspects. They are the GLUE that keeps relationships together, even the bad ones. The TYPE of aspect determines whethor you're stuck together and happy, or stuck together and not so happy.

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posted January 13, 2004 04:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Groovy article, Lioneye.

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posted January 13, 2004 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like what she has to say, but I also don't think that you can put all ones eggs into the Venus- Saturn aspect. I keep coming across other information that contradicts the article or does not reinforce it in that manner.

Some of the most loving relationships I have seen do not have a Saturn-Venus aspect at all and I think that at least a few of them will last until the other dies.

Then again, I have seen Venus-Saturn ones peter out.

I guess it has to reinforce what is there, but cannot make it on it's own.

Subjectively, I do not have a Venus-Saturn aspect with Mr. Leo. But we do have a ton of other wonderful and powerful aspects. He did share the Venus-Saturn with his ex, but they are no longer together. They do have a child, so maybe that is tie that binds them forever, just not forever as a couple.

Venus conjunct Saturn: This is not a very good combination for romantic situations. It is likely that the Venus person will begin to feel trapped or inhibited in a dull relationship/routine after a time. The Saturn person will have to watch a tendency to become too demanding. The Venus person will tend to regard the Saturn person as a party pooper. This union is all the more difficult if the Saturn individual was born at night.

Venus trine or sextile Saturn: While this combination can be a bit staid, it is very helpful in creating a relationship that lasts a long time. Each is very respectful to the other. It is capable of creating long and stable marriages that have practical benefits such as stabilizing joint finances.

Venus opposite or square Saturn: This is essentially the same as the conjunction, so you should also read the description two paragraphs above. The difference is that this tends to be a little more difficult than the conjunction. The Saturn person is often cold to the Venus person.
http://www.horoscope-x-files.com/synastry/synastry-innerplanets.htm

Venus conjunct Saturn
This aspect indicates a mutual concern for professional or financial affairs. Accordingly, it seems to work best in business and professional relationships. When this aspect does occur in marriages and romantic relationships it favors durability of the match, although there may be a significant age difference and/or a financial or security motivation in the relationship. The Venus person will tend to demonstrate much affection in the relationship, and the Saturn person will be much less able to respond in kind.

Venus sextile Saturn
This aspect will provide cooperation especially in business and professional matters and in those areas where diplomatic skills are required. In marriage or romantic relationships, this comparative combination increases the mutual sense of responsibility, loyalty, and steadfastness. It does not, of itself, indicate romantic attraction, but it does give stability when other factors in the horoscope indicate romantic attraction.

Venus trine Saturn
This combination produces a strong sense of personal friendship and loyalty. By itself, this aspect does not indicate sexual or romantic attraction. It can, and usually does however, increase the stability and durability of a relationship when romantic attraction is indicated by other factors in the comparison. You have a sense of mutual respect and just dealing with one another and you can count on each other's constant support. Thus, it is considered an ideal aspect for marriage, as well as friendship.

Venus square Saturn
This comparative combination is one that is very difficult in a relationship. In most cases, you won't be voluntarily attracted to each other. Your relationship is one that probably should be avoided, for this is not a good aspect for marriage or romance. When these do occur, there is usually a financial, ulterior, or status motive involved, either from the individuals or their families. He tends to have a lack of consideration and may find it difficult to express affection. Saturn is apt to discourage Venus from any excessive show of affection. The Saturn is apt to considerably older and less tolerant than the Venus person.

Venus opposed Saturn
When stimulated, this aspect suggests a cold, emotionally distant relationship. You are not voluntarily attracted to each other, although circumstances may force you into association. In some cases, the association is based on ulterior motives such as gaining money and status, rather than on genuine friendship and affection.
www.astrology-numerology.com

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lioneye68
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posted January 13, 2004 05:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I don't think she necessarily meant Saturn to Venus specifically. Just Saturn to any personal planet or angle. That's what I understood.

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posted January 13, 2004 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I see

Sorry...my brain is not working right.

Yeah, I was also wondering what she meant about the moon. I mean, is she saying that there HAS to be some squaring with the moon and other planets or just in the overall chart?

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posted January 13, 2004 05:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think she meant you need a few squares between you in the overall chart or it would be too dull. Moon ties are nice, but fluctuating.

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posted January 13, 2004 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see (said the blind man when he picked up the hammer and saw..LOL)

I am in weird humor today. I don't know why, but I am.

Yeah, I would hate to be in a relationship without tension. I need the combat to a point. Here's a little secret too, I will start little fights just to get things interesting. Bad Aries Moon!!!!

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