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Topic: Orphan Signs...
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astro junkie
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posted January 15, 2004 11:48 AM
 
Which signs or influences most likely for orphans?  ------------------
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trillian
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posted January 15, 2004 12:44 PM
If you mean children given up for adoption, I am one of those, and am a triple Aries, with moon in Cappy. A former member of LL who was an adoptee was also an Aries, her moon in Cancer. There's another member here, but I will let her speak for herself.  My vote goes to some sort of Capricorn placement, especially moon. Mom issues.
Cancer too. But...no hard and fast rules, just my knee-jerk opinion. IP: Logged |
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posted January 15, 2004 01:04 PM
I would hazzard a guess that an afflicted 4th house, involving Saturn, sun & moon, or a 12th house sun and moon, (mother/father unknown, or dissassociated from the native, possibly an abandoned child) Mars and/or Uranus in harsh aspect to sun or moon could result in the sudden loss of a parent through violence or accident.Perhaps a 1st house, 4th house, 10th house "t" square involving outer to personal planets may be the most likely candidate. But honestly, I dunno. Good question. IP: Logged |
pidaua
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posted January 15, 2004 01:24 PM
My ex Virgo (Gemini Moon, Taurus rising)is adopted as is his Capricorn sister. He has his Pluto, Venus and Mars, all in Leo in the 4th house (his Sun is in his 5th, which squares his moon in the 1st house) His 4th house is VERY active. His 4th house planet receive a nice sextile from his moon and from his 6th house Saturn / Neptune in Libra. He has said in the past that he always felt like he didn't belong or that something was missing. Both of his parents are Taurus people and it's a major Earth family. I almost wonder though, all those planets in Leo along with a 5th house Sun and Mercury may give him more of a Leo flavor. No wonder I was so confused....LOL.... IP: Logged |
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posted January 15, 2004 04:19 PM
Yes I was wondering about this, a girl at school asked me to find her ascendant but she doesnt have her birth time because she was adopted. Is there any other way of finding someones ascendant? more reliable than guessing itIP: Logged |
Rev. Alice
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posted January 19, 2004 12:11 PM
When Uranus is intercepted in the natal chart, the native is often adopted as an infant. A grandaughter was adopted by her mother's husband at age 9....when her Uranus progessed into her interception. The placement refers to an "identity change"....often taking the form of a "name change."Adoptees have two charts, one for the birth and one for the adoption. You need to read the two together to get anything like an accurate reading. Experiences says that transits to the adoption chart have much more visible effects than to the birth chart--though the underlying character remains as defined by the birth chart...but filtered through the adoption ascendant. ------------------
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posted January 19, 2004 12:33 PM
Rev -Interesting... What's an interception? .gloria ------------------
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trillian
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posted January 19, 2004 01:05 PM
I do not have the interception of which you spoke, Rev., but the idea of a chart done when a child is adopted is interesting. Trouble is, for many of us, that sort of information is difficult to come by. For me, I was in the home of my parents for a while before the actual adoption was finalized, so that sort of determination (i.e., date of this 'new birth') becomes even murkier.And...a birth is a birth is a birth, ya know?  .gloria, I'll let someone with more knowledge of astrology explain interceptions to you. Linda was not a fan of them, as she used equal house charts. Can't say I'm a fan of them either, but I don't have nearly the experience others here have. IP: Logged |
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posted January 23, 2004 06:54 PM
Hi trillian.....mind if I make a little correction?????  You stated that you were a triple Aries with the Moon in Capricorn....and it's my understanding that you could NOT be a triple Aries...if your Moon is in Capricorn.... According to Linda....in order to be a triple Aries you would have to have the Sun, the Moon and Ascendant all in Aries....(I once knew a triple cancer...*sigh* ...what paranoia!) If you have three planets in Aries...that would be a stellium...and still a strong influence... Hope you don't mind my butting in.... Love,
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posted January 23, 2004 07:29 PM
I was brought up by a man I believed was my biological father, but who I found at age 28 was not my biological father.Is there an indicator in a Natal chart for this? IP: Logged |
trillian
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posted January 23, 2004 08:16 PM
Nope Rainbow, don't mind at all. I stand corrected.Really I think I am lazy more than anything. It's much more economical with words to say "triple Aries" than "I have three planets in Aries." But am I so very very wrong, since "Triple Anything" really isn't an astrological term, per se?  Thanks for pointing that out. starflower...not sure what to look for in your natal chart to explain the circumstance, but you found out about this during what was probably your Saturn Return, a time in our lives when we are given great lessons to learn. And often, how we learn them, sets the tone of our lives till the next Saturn return. Perhaps someone here more knowledgeable about the Saturn Return can tell you more about it. Technically, the Saturn Return happens when transiting Saturn returns to the sign of your natal Saturn, usually around the age of 27-28.  IP: Logged |
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posted January 24, 2004 12:21 AM
I would add that the influence of Neptune on the 4th house can have some influence here -- Also - starflower - u got that?IP: Logged |
starflower
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posted January 24, 2004 02:10 AM
Wow Niki!!
Here is my natal data from astro.com :Sun Aquarius 00°10'16 06 direct
Moon Cancer 29°34'50 12 direct
Mercury Aquarius 18°49'15 07 direct
Venus Capricorn 28°33'34 06 direct
Mars Capricorn 20°31'38 06 direct
Jupiter Aquarius 14°58'47 07 direct
Saturn Aquarius 01°59'31 06 direct
Uranus Leo 29°39'11 02 retrograde
Neptune Scorpio 13°19'35 04 direct
Pluto Virgo 09°44'47 02 retrograde
True Node Leo 18°00'19 01 retrograde Yes Neptune on the 4th. IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
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posted January 24, 2004 04:25 AM
I am very interested in learning of the Saturn rturn, as I am in my 27th year, and the last year, I have had some major reconsructive thinking (should I say DE-constructed) going on prominantly. It is as if everything I identified myself with, values, and such have taken an overhaul. I am definately more spiritually aware, and more knowledgable in myself, but I am changing at a vital level. Could my saturn return have something to do with the thinking structure change? Or am I simply redefining as I grow up? But it is so strong, it feels like a Pluto force.My Saturn is in Leo in the First house. (Pluto in Libra in third). Can someone please tell me where I can independently search for inspiration and information? Or just give me your take? Lllog, I know you are excellent with this, I'd be much obliged.IP: Logged |
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posted January 24, 2004 04:36 PM
Hey Star -- I have a different, yet similar situation than yours - and i have Pisces on the 4th cusp. Sure makes for questions and vague and unclear things referencing paternal issues.IC that u2 have TWO planets in anaretic degrees. Well, good luck to us on learning what we came here for -- Mine are Moon and Saturn. Since u have Moon in Cancer in anaretic degree, i can only hope that u2 are able to work out all the issues with Mom and agree to disagree -- i believe u will. IP: Logged |
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posted January 24, 2004 06:09 PM
Niki -How much power would you give, or how would you interpret a cusp in an anaretic placement - such as my 1st and 7th House's in Taurus 29.48 and Scorpio 29.48 respectively? (as opposed to planets in anaretic signs?) Thanks, .gloria ------------------
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trillian
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posted January 24, 2004 07:14 PM
pixel, my astrology teacher would definitely attribute what you're going through to your Saturn return. I am reasonably sure I still have some information around here about it...I will look and see if I can find it for you. It may take a few days for me to make time, though...please be patient. But that's exactly what your Saturn return is meant to do--shake you up, change your perspective, get in touch with things central to your being. Oh, as I was typing this I thought, why don't I see if I can find any info on the 'net? So here goes...hope this helps.
First link is from Robert Hand, I like his work...
http://www.newage-directory.com/saturn.html
http://www.accessnewage.com/ZSCOPE/ZSATURN.HTM
http://www.eyeofcentaur.com/Pages/saturn.html
I think these links are just as good, if not better, than anything I have, but I'll still look for you. 
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trillian
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posted January 25, 2004 08:38 AM
to the top, so pixel see it...By the way Niki...I have Neptune in the 3rd, but it is in a very wide conjunction to the 4th house cusp, about 9 degrees. Interesting, wonder if there is influence there in being an adopted child. IP: Logged |
NikiSpeedy
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posted January 26, 2004 12:19 AM
Astro --Seems there would be a lesson to take care of the physical body with this.trillian - For sure. Neptune doesn't give too much stability, but there is always an escape. Usually something just a little sad about the father(s) also. I studied this one as i had 2 fathers, adopted by my mother's second husband at 12, She was divorced when i was 15 -- so i had an eyeful sorta young. My Mother was "ahead of her time" into the Piscean "woo-woo" - so there will probably be some connex with Mom too -- and then there is your own home ---- Somewhat high strung and loud noises upset. I think it also gives an aerial in the sky! IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
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posted January 26, 2004 01:11 AM
OH TRILLIAN!!! Thank you! I appreciate the effort !
*rubs hands together*
I've got a lot of reading to do, can't wait!!!! Thank you for bringing it to the top so I'd see it too! ( I was out this weekend, fun fun fun.)IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
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posted January 26, 2004 01:18 AM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I just read the first one so far.. My husband is twenty-nine right now, his b-day is April 13th, and he has had some both wanted and unwanted career changes this last year. In fact, tomorrow, he is returning to an old job he had.... I wish him luck and love ( just thought I'd send it out!)But as far as relationships, he has indicated in his conscious and unconscious actions that I am still his dream woman ( believe me, I have been watching!)So, we'll see about the relationship one for him... mine is definately a more questioning search though *sigh, I suck*. G'night!!! IP: Logged |
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posted January 26, 2004 11:35 AM
Hi trillian... I'm not really sure if "triple anything" is an astrologcial term or not...hmmmm But I do know that Linda used it....and sheese...that's good enough for me... Love,
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pixelpixie
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posted January 26, 2004 11:38 AM
 really? ha ha ha ha.... Isn't it all just semantics, anyway?
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posted January 26, 2004 12:29 PM
Thanks Niki -Never even thought of this. It WOULD seem to make a lot of sense to take care of my body. My health has always been very much affected by my surroundings and emotional needs. Erratic decisions don't mix well with Taurus & Scorpio. Maybe that's why people with too much nervous energy make me crazy before too long. I can TOTALLY appreciate them on an intellectual level, but then a WARNING! signal goes off inside me after a while. Maybe subconsciously I know they might aggravate any unhealthy tendencies I may have towards too much erratic anaretic energy. This is especially true since I have a T-Square with Scorpio as Focal Point and Aries in the Empty Space! I've also read that being born Oct 2nd means being careful with ones delivery of words because it can bring on physical violence to oneself. And I've been there. .gloria ------------------
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posted January 26, 2004 12:46 PM
BTW - The reason I originally brought up this ORPHAN topic is because since I was a little girl, I've always FELT like an orphan. (I'm technically not)...No matter what, I just don't feel like my blood family is my family. I can definately feel a connection to the CIRCUMSTANCES surrounding the family, but not to any one family member. I've lived a gypsy's life, and have gotten into big trouble when finding surrogate replacements for my family in people out there in the world. If everyone in my close and extended family were to die today, it wouldn't change much in my life. That's how weird it is... .gloria ------------------
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