posted January 20, 2004 02:55 AM              

Lilith Dark Moon - Leo in 4th hs.
Lilith Asteroid - Leo in 4th hs.
Uranus - Leo in 4th hs.
North Node - Leo in 4th hs.
Psyche - Leo in 4th hs.

Venus - Virgo in 4th hs.
Pluto - Virgo in 4th hs.

What sign do you think my 4th House Cusp is in?
Yep... LEO! Leo is ruled by the Sun and my Sun is in guess which house? Yep... the 5th hs. which is ruled by Leo!

Take it one more step:
The 7th House Cusp rules love & partnerships.
My 7th House Cusp is in Scorpio, which is ruled by Pluto, which is in the 4th HOUSE!

And to top if all off with the perverbial cherry:
Singleton – Uranus in Leo is the ONLY fire sign

Thanks for your help,

.gloria

posted January 20, 2004 11:36 AM              

There are actually 3 Lilith's. To find them in your chart go to astro.com into the EXTENDED CHART section and highlight Lilith and also towards the bottom, find the codes for the other Lilith, and enter them.

Here's a couple of links to help explain what they mean and the differences:
www.astro.com/astrology/in_lilith_e.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/az/zodiacenterprises/LILART.html

.gloria

posted January 20, 2004 12:40 PM              

Taking a quick look at the things you mentioned, I believe your Pluto in the 4th is one of the main sources of your thinking your 4th house is jinxed, being the planet of crisis and endings and transformation. It's important to remember that Pluto compels.

By the way, you didn't mention where your Black Moon is - which is the Lilith that is important in astrology, and not the asteroid or the Dark Moon, at least not that I know of - ?

And one last question, if it's not too personal: why exactly do you think your 4th house is jinxed? Do you have so much trouble at home or with your parents or your roots or your father (who is obviously a person who likes to enjoy himself very much, since the ruler of the 4th is in the 5th house of pleasure)?

I'm not exactly sure what significance to your 4th house does the fact that it's ruler is in the 5th has. Sun in the 5th is a very good placement, it means that your Sun can very well express its qualities which are of course modified by the sign in which it is in (Libra in your case? - that would mean you like to express yourself artistically), unless it receives bad aspects from other planets in which case this is hindered or spoiled depending on the character of the planet with which it forms a bad aspect, and also the aspect itself.

And the ruler of your 4th house in your 5th means that the romance and pleasure are a normal part of your private life, maybe you have hobbies at home, you relax at home, children (will) play an important role in your home or your private life. But it all depends on the aspects, as well as other placements in your chart.

It's difficult to look at just one house out of context like this.

Oh, and Scorpio is also ruled by Mars, so you should also look for Mars placement in your chart when you are looking at Scorpio.

But now I got to get back to work.

posted January 20, 2004 02:28 PM              

there is a mean position of Black Moon Lilith and a true position. The correct one is the true position (just like in calculating the North Node - the right one is always the True Node).
In extended chart selection at Astro.com there is only the mean position of Lilith, so if you got it from there, you have the wrong one.

If you're interested, I can calculate the true position for you. Or you can do it yourself: here's a ton of stuff on Lilith(s) plus the link to calculate the true position (just roll down the page to Black Moon Lilith):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/3Liliths/message/12

This will probably take you some time to digest

posted January 20, 2004 10:32 PM              

Gosh -

I've been posting for help on this for so long. Thank you. Apparently the server to the link is slammed right now and I have to try again. I will look carefully at everything there, as well as clearing up a couple of points you mentioned.

After I've reviewed everything carefully, I'll get this up for you all at one time... and so much appreciate this... thank you...

.gloria

posted January 20, 2004 11:27 PM              

I tried... I really tried to do the astro.com thing to get True. I wasn't sure what to add for Eastern Standard Time. My birth time is 8:44pm EST, Oct 2, 1961 - Miami, FL

For the sake of being accurate, in answer to the "conjunct's" in 4th hs:

Venus Virgo - 11.29
Uranus Leo - 28.46
Pluto Virgo - 8.56
North Node (True) Leo - 26.18

4th House Cusp in Leo - 14.57

Why I think it's jinxed? Never had a stable home life although it's what I wanted more than anything. Mom emotionally detached, Dad preoccupied with work, and I was subjected to EXTREME emotional (and some physical) trauma and negligence.

The rest of the family concerned with their legacies. No room for sensitivity, compassion. The truth of what I've been through with several family members is something everyone's scrambling to figure out how to shut me up. I truly believe they would be relieved if I were dead.

There are very jealous people in the family who have repeatedly tried to keep me from realizing my true greatness. Just like Cinderella and the 3 wicked sisters, type thing. Scary how close that is. Except even though I'm a good honest person, prince charming keeps turning out to be a louse.

Experienced death of loved one in my home. Potential husbands too possessive and/or abusive. I've moved 36 times. No matter what I've done, I end up with the same type of guy. I've never been the type of girl who gets flowers and stuff like that. Because of my upbringing, I've never known how to ask for help or to truly be on the receiving end of things.

I'm 42 years old, almost a hermit, although graceful and sexy and intelligent and the whole package, I never get invited out anywhere. I'm always giving, giving, giving...

I'm ready to be married and I've been so lonely for so many years, it literally knocks me down. Literally. I feel the best in my home, but have no one to share it with. I'm now into the healing arts, not giving up on helping others and find it rewarding, but I need more COMING IN so I can sustain myself!!!!

I'm truly reaching out for help...

My Mars in is Scorpio in 6th hs - 0.51 degrees.

Thank you,

.gloria

posted January 21, 2004 08:05 AM              

Ras -
I'm almost positive that #1181 is the asteroid, but Knowflake Lilith seems to know more, so let's see what she can help us with.

.gloria

posted January 21, 2004 08:27 AM              

what you speak about makes sense, but the cause or rather the significator of your home instability is Uranus, the planet of sudden change - this would explain why you moved so often and why your home and family life is so unstable. And there is also Pluto, as I mentioned, so your home or rather the way you perceive home life and privacy has gone or is still going through a total transformation.
Your mother is represented by Uranus (the ruler of the 10th house), the cold, detached planet, but in your case your mother was probably very present in your home life (Uranus in the 4th), but since she was so emotionally detached, you as an extremely sensitive child (Moon in Cancer) were left with a childhood trauma. Your father (the Sun) is in the 5th, so he had to be doing something creative, expressing himself through art or sports or his hobbies or simply doing something he enjoyed doing, something with which he expressed himself. It's interesting that the Sun does not make any major aspects with other planets, it sort of stands on its own, so you must've felt he was somewhat isolated from your life.
So, before looking at minor elements such as Lilith the Black Moon in your horoscope, it's necessary to interpret the main elements such as the personal planets (Sun->Saturn) in signs and houses, the aspects, the ruler of the ascendant and the houses, etc.
I calculated your Black Moon, it's in 22 deg. 12 minutes Leo, so it does not make any major aspects with other planets, only a conjunction with your North Node - which is something to be looked into, but I have no info on that. Maybe you can find something on the internet.
I discovered that my book is about Lilith the Dark Moon, so it's rather useless here, I'd have to find the efemeris for it.

posted January 21, 2004 08:33 AM              

Hi there, Gloria, I see you're here, but I have to go now, so see you later! The link works now, I checked

Rasberry, check out this link, all you need to know is here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/3Liliths/message/12

posted January 24, 2004 01:38 PM              

I don't know how I missed your response the last couple of days...

Thank you very much. I'm learning more...

My lifelong struggle: My Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs is ALWAYS upside down!!!

So the Ruler of the 10th hs. represents the mother and the Ruler of the 4th represents the father? Or it's just the Sun that represents the father?

When you found my Black Moon Lilith in 22:12 Leo, did it say what House it was in?

I'm not sure what you'd like to take a look at in reference to the other personal planets, so I'll just wait to see what you say...

As for the Sun making no major aspects, apparently it does Trine my MC (Aq), which is ruled by Uranus, which is 4th hs.

My Asc is Taurus at 29.48 degrees, and so I lately I look at Gemini too because people say they think I act more that way. But when looking at Taurus, it's ruled by Venus which is in the 4th hs.

In Gemini, ruled by Mercury which is in the 6th hs. Virgo rules the 6th House, and my Venus is in Virgo in the 4th hs.

What you said about Pluto in Virgo in 4th hs., still putting me through a transformation as far as homelife, it's very true... which at age 42, is really making me exhausted. I own a home now, but I'm still not in that home by the ocean I always envision myself writing my books at.

The thought of making another move is incredibly stressful. Would be so much easier with a good partner in my life, but they come and go too. One of my major confusions is what to "fix" first:

* finding the right partner
* finding the "final" home
* writing my books

(Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs - always topsy turvy)

I'm SO VERY anxious to learn as much as I can for you, and willing to do anything I can in return for you.

THANK YOU

.gloria