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virgo
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posted February 05, 2004 05:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been having this problem and I thought I post it here 'cause I think it relates to astrology and because I feel like venting.
I have a really low self-steem. I've tried to improve it for a while but I'm still the same.
I think I'm the ugliest girl in the world..ok well maybe not the ugliest..but I'm ugly. Virgos are sppouse to be attractive I guess but I dont know. I get lots of compliments on my eyes and lashes..how perfect my body is...and my hair. They dont mean a thing to me. I think people say it just to be nice or they just say it because they have to.
I critize myself a lot and I noticed that in a lot of virgo friends i have to and Linda's book said it the best "they are their own worse critic".
No matter what I do, how much make up I buy and put on I still look ugly. Now I got two ugly zits on my face and I havnt been to school for three days cause I cant handel people looking at me. I mainly didnt go cause I was kinda sick.
Anyways...I noticed I've been stressing myself a lot and worried about everything because I've put everything on hold 'cause I cant handle the pressure anymore and since I missed three days of school my teachers are going to ***** at me.
I know its normal for a virgo to worry and stress But Im so sick of it and I cant take it anymore. I've been so depressed by everything espicially my parents.
They are very religous and have total control of me and I'm trying to be more independent and break free. I'm graduting this year but I dont think there is any way I can move since everything is so expensive.

I've noticed my selfsteem has been effecting me in everything else.
Its holding me back from talking to people and opening up. I'm really shy and when I talk to someone I can tell they are looking at me and thinking how bad I look today. And its not something I'm making up. I know thats what there thinking. One day if I spend 2 hours getting ready I might get some compliment "oh you look good today" blah blah.
Its holding me back from talking to one of my teachers. I guess I'm pretty close to him. He knows a lot bout my life and my parents....(hes a libra). I always felt nervous around him and thinking hes analyzing me and critzing me..but once I get to talk to him I feel much comfortable. I did this bonus project where I had to write some poems...And wrote bout how ugly i feel, my parents, and just other things.
I probably shouldnt have shared something so personal but I could only write bout how I feel.
I dont have him as a teacher anymore because the new semister just started and I probably wont have him as a teacher again cause im graduting.
but...yeah I spend most the time kicking myself for giving him those poems cause i thought they were really bad. But my friends told me that he came up to them last week and said that he wants me to come to pick my poems up and that he thought they were really good.
i was suprised. I dont think he would lie....
But that was last week and I havnt gone to see him at all to pick up my poems.
I think he could care less..maybe I'll go tomorrow. He probably forgot bout me.
I just dont know how to talk to him without feeling stupid and not feeling like im being judged.
And this whole thing is effecting me in acting and on stage (I want to be an actress). I dont trust myself anymore or my ideas so I'm doing a really shitty job right now in my acting class. I can tell that my acting teacher thinks im terrible.
I just dont know what to do anymore
I dont want to talk to a councellour because I dont want to waste anyones time with my problems.
I dont want to force someone to listen to me or ask for help.
I dont want them to listen to me just because they HAVE to listen or its their job to listen.
I would talk to my teacher bout it, cause I would feel more comfortable, but I dont want to bore him with my problems.
I think I'm a burden on everyone.
Sometimes I wish I wasnt a virgo so maybe I wouldnt have all these bad qualities bout me and be a Libra or Aquarius cause than maybe I would be more pretty. And If I was more pretty than maybe I wouldnt have all these problems right now.

damn..this got too long.
I doubt any of you will actually take the time to read all this. I dont expect anything really...no one really cares bout me.
I just felt like venting.
I just wish there is a way I can get through this....and way to talk to my teacher without feeling like a dumb ass

sorry bout all the grammers....I suck at typing and spelling.

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pidaua
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posted February 05, 2004 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL...yes, the first thing I noticed what your mis-spellings. LOL JUST KIDDING. Man, if I had a dime for every spelling mistake I made, I would be rich.

No, the first thing I noticed Ms. Virgo, is that you sound so much like how I felt in high school at a certain time. Sometimes, we don't see what others see. Sometimes we look in the mirror and we see the hurt that is inside because we are giving in to feelings of doubt.

Never stop with your poetry. I found that when I was feeling so down and like no one cared about me, it was my writing that saved me, that and drawing / painting. I was shy, but also outgoing, kind of scared too. I didn't see what others saw. I didn't understand why they said I was beautiful, when all I saw were imperfections.

You are suffering from two things, being an adolescent is hard enough, but add the perfectionistic attitude of the Virgo and you can suffer in silence with depression for days.

My advice to you is as follows:

GET UP!! So what you have a pimple, hell I still get blemishes honey, that is what make up is for. Yeah, you feel the restriction of your parents - My mom was a total religious goof ball (dude she even had a weirdo prayer group at one time that tried to lay hands on me - HELL NO LOL). My father was a career law enforcement officer (just retired) so it was either tough discipline or regular scripture readings. I thought I would DIE. Now, I laugh at it because they were just worried I would get into trouble. The world is scary and people take advantage of others so often.

Get back on that stage and stop worrying about what you "think" you should do and instead think of what your "character" should be doing. Look at all those beautiful Virgo actresses and actors: Richard Gere, Sophia Lauren, Beyonce (singer too), Keanu Reeves...on and on. So many beautiful people.

You are just in one stage of your life and as you get older you will grow even more beautiful and intelligent. Virgo's are late bloomers most of the time. Ever see Gere as a young dude or Beyonce as a teen?

Do you really think other signs don't beat themselves up? I am a Sag and there are times I look in the mirror and say "I see this wrong and that wrong". Then I say What the hell, there is still a party somewhere LOL...

I know Aqua's, Libra's and even LEO'S that are hard on themselves. We all see our imperfections, it is what we do afterwards that makes all the difference.

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pixelpixie
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posted February 05, 2004 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Virgo~
Pidaua said it all wonderfully, but I feel I must contribute as well, even if I repeat the same things. At least that way they will be harder to ignore, right?
First off, I know this is an Astrology forum, so naturally you would refer to your Sign as a barometer of how 'attractive' you are supposed to be. Throw that away. I think if you have a measure to judge yourself against , you will always think you fall short. I am Dutch in heritage, therefore I should have blond hair and alabaster skin, big breasts, and smell like a tulip? I don't know. Point is, we all have things we rationalize through when we think of beauty. I am not ugly, nor do I know ANYONE who is ugly. How could you even BE HERE if you are ugly. Ugly isn't looks, and shouldn't be referred to as such. Ugly is vile, it is an internal wasteland of the soul. Ugly is how you feel when you are depressed, and feeding those feelings more. Shut them out. You are not ugly, I know this, besides, you couldn't be, even if you believed your worst critic (you). You simply couldn't be, as you are here, you have found beauty, you have a voice and interests, your soul wants to evolve and learn. Please don't cut it off with such simplistic views on beauty. It is TRULY skin deep.
I speak these things from the perspective of a very spiritual person, and also someone who works in the superficial beauty industry, where they prey on insecurities and youthfulness. No one looks the same. That is the beauty of life. Yu are unique and beautiful. I am not classically bautiful, yet I am not ugly. We all have something incredible, even ONE feature that stands out against the world, and makes us beautiful. I have seen many different people in my line of work, and they all have at least one thing in common..... they have beauty. It is an individual beauty, and sometimes you won't see it until talking to them, but it is there when you look. No one can tell me different.
And anyway, who really cares.
You are a compassionate person. I want you to do something, for yourself and the world.
I want you to volunteer at a burn ward in the hospital. I challenge you to walk out of there, after spending a day with these people and tell me they don't have beauty. It is all in your perspective.
When I am old, I will still have clear beautiful eyes that are full of wandering and light. When I have a pimple, I still have yards of clear skin. ( By the way, you are the only one who notices, and yes, there is makeup, and you know what, if anyone does notice, they will immediately think---oh, poor girl, I remember last week when I had that huge pimple....) It is a commonality. Please change your perspective on yourself. You need to see things differently, tell me how I can help?!

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lllog
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posted February 05, 2004 08:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It would be well to remember that more astrologers believe that your Ascendant Sign plays a bigger role in your appearence than your Sun sign.

Virgo, do you know what your Ascendant sign is?

Also, remember that you are a gestalt of all of your planets, not just one. To get overly fixated on a particular planet or point in your chart is wastful of your energy and time. In other words dear, lighten up some.

Lanny (also a Virgo)

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pidaua
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posted February 05, 2004 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pixie,

Your words have so much meaning. I like what you said about volunteering. You are very beautiful and should never think otherwise.

Virgo,

I hope you are doing well. There are many people here that want to help you. Lanny is also a Virgo and ALWAYS has the best information.

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astro junkie
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posted February 05, 2004 10:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Virgo -

Let's do an exercise:

If you could describe one perfect day, how would it go? What would happen? How would you feel?

.gloria

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pixelpixie
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posted February 05, 2004 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Pidaua, coming from you, I truly appreciate it! ( It's hard to be so deep in this wading pool of a world! )

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virgo
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posted February 05, 2004 11:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys. I didn't think anyone would care to respond. But no matter what you say I'm still gonna feel the same. I know the beauty is in the inside etc...
but I just dont feel that way.
Most people dont even think that way even though they say it.
They look at you and judge you by your apearence.
blah now I have to go see my english teacher tomorrow..well he isnt my teacher anymore...the class is over..but anywayz..i have to go see him cause he wants me to come by and pick up my stupid poems. I was sppouse to see him on monday...
But I've been feeling so ugly..and shy...
Tomorrow is gonna suck cause I dont know what to do and my ugly zits are still here.

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virgo
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posted February 05, 2004 11:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And by the way...I dont think I feel like this just because im growing and im a teenager. I think its because of my childhood. I never had any friends..and I was always got fun of by my family and other people for being skinner and shorter than others...and my hair and **** like that....
I dont know how I can make this go away..and not feel like this anymore...

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virgo
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posted February 05, 2004 11:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
astro junkie----I dont know what a perfect would be..never had one..dont think. maybe one.
hmm...I guess just waking up not feeling ugly..and not have to spend 2 hours on my hair and face and still looking good...
and going out to shop without have to worry bout money or what my parents are gonna think..or not have to worry bout anything at all...and just going out to dinner and being by myself with no one pressuring me..
and maybe talking to my english teacher(libra)..i know its weird..but i enjoy talking to him bout stuff...and i somtimes feel better bout myself when i do...
so i guess that would be my perfect day.
oh...and...just moving out maybe..and having my own room...
and going out to buy flowers..roses and stuff to decorate my house...
and i dont have to depend on anyone or anything..
that would be a perfect day i guess...
oh and performing on stage and actually thinking i did a ok job...

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Motherkonfessor
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posted February 06, 2004 01:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My fellow Virgo....

Here I could give you pithy advice, or perhaps share the horrid experiences of my own life feeling the EXACT same way you do.

But, this isnt about me, and everyone else is much better at advice.

I have been reading the boards, and have read a few of yours, like the one about your disgruntled view towards how Virgos are portrayed in astrology..and BTW, I agree with you 100%.

I am going to be blunt, and I hope you dont take it personally...
You have a choice to make....
whether its more important for you to think you are RIGHT (that nagging voice that says, I am ugly, I am terrible, no body likes me, I suck) OR........
You can choose to believe what others tell you about yourself (ie, the outside world.)

Its hard, isnt it? Virgos are bright, and self critical, and analytical....and I am going to hazard to guess that we ALWAYS believe that we see "the truth."
Its hard to believe other people, especially when they say nice things. Its easier to believe that inner voice that perpetuates self doubt and self hatred. After all, we are always RIGHT.

The key lesson for a Virgo is "discernment." You need to learn how to tell what is truth, from yourself and from others, what thoughts are good for you and which thoughts are nothing but hurtful.

From what you have written, people compliment you on your face, your body, your acting skill, etc.....why wont you believe it? I am not going to waste your time telling you that "Beauty is only skin deep."
I think you know this, but adolescence is a wretched time for one's self esteem. Even if you see and accept the logic behind it, and if reading all the wonderful, affirming things all the LL folks are telling you doesnt help, me repeating it wont do any good.

Being pretty or not being pretty is not the epitome of life's journey. Its easy to get depressed about it because our society puts so much emphasis on it. Look into your self... if people only paid attention to you for your looks, do you think your analytical Virgo mind would be happy with that?

I have been depressed (for the very same reasons it appears you are) since childhood. It sucks to waste that much time and energy shooting your self in the foot. Please don't do it. I know thats easier said than done......why not start with promising yourself one day where you dont allow yourself to talk bad to yourself? If thats too long, start with an hour. LIfe isnt going to feel better until you make the choice to look at it in a better light.

It seems that Virgos, especially in childhood, need more nurturing and positive encouragement than they are willing to admit. We look cold, unemotional, and self suffcient. We certainly are not any of those things. And then we proceed to spend the rest of our lives craving that approval. It doesnt sound as if you get that from your parents. You may have to accept the responsiblity of doing it for yourself. Its hard to grow up too soon, but if no one else will nurture you, you must take steps to care for your soul.

I hope you dont take this as criticism...LOL its just my Virgo instincts responding. I am trying to help because your post sounds just like my journal entries from the first 20 years of my life.....right down to the "I dont want to be a burden on anyone else."
By believing that, I had to struggle way too hard when I could have asked for help. I dont want to see anyone have to struggle that much.
If you are graduating this year, you are about 17, maybe 18? IT WILL GET BETTER.
I PROMISE.
But it will get better alot sooner if you believe it will.
If you ever need help, just post here. I swear I am not always this blunt. I will keep an eye out for you on the boards.
Get outside, and go for walks. It will burn off that nervous energy Virgos get when they start the "I suck" dialogue. Trust me, it helps.

OK, so there is some advice in this long winded diatribe....whoops. Take what you want, forget the rest. I hope to hear from you soon.......

MK

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lioneye68
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posted February 06, 2004 01:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wanted to say....I LOVE Virgos

Just ask anyone here they've been reading about my Virgo dramas for...oh, I dunno, a long time now.

Yes, it's true, you guys are altogether TOO HARD on yourselves. It does seem to be a common theme with Virgos, yet the rest of us see you as caring, modest, principled, gracious, practical, helpful, clever...and always easy on the eyes, even if understated.
You can't be perfect in every way, virgo. This is true of any person, of any sign, so why should you be an exception? Do you only like people who are attractive? I doubt it. So what if you're not the Hotty McHotHot on the block. That's not your role in life. You're not cut out for that kind of pageantry anyway. And I bet that if we saw a picture of you, you wouldn't be that bad looking. Being in school kind of sucks because you have those babes of the school that sort of set the bar in terms of what you have to look like to even be detected on the chick radar. Once you get out into the real world, you start forming real bonds with people, and you have to lean on other strengths. Being the popular and hot girl won't get you very far, unless you're willing to sleep your way to the top. And I can't see a Virgo doing that. (although I'm sure there are exceptions). The skills you should be honing are found in your classes, shcolastic and vocational. Just find something you enjoy, and lose yourself in it. Is it acting? If that's what you love, you can't possibly suck at it. We only love doing things we're good at. We all have an obligation to contribute something while we're here, so focus on that. Everything else is irrelevent. (until it becomes relevent, which actually makes more sense than you think, at least to me heh heh)

Anyway, my point is, you don't have to be a knockout to be a loveable and valueable friend, and a shining star in this world. You just have to be a good $#!t, which I think you already are.

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pixelpixie
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posted February 06, 2004 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MotherKonfessor, Lioneye.....good job, I loved both of your twenty five cents.
Does that make fifty?
Wow, Linda-Landers really get together when the stuff gets rough.. Good job, one and all.

I hope Virgo sees these wonderful true words and I hope they resonate inside, and some of them take seed and grow.

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astro junkie
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posted February 06, 2004 02:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Virgo -

Every sign has characteristics which contradict themselves. On the one hand, Virgo's are very critical and can detect imperfections. On the other, they see beauty in things where no one else can see them. Especially if it's POTENTIAL beauty.

Haven't you ever thought something or someone was very beautiful, when others just don't see it? Virgo's are not always the most rebellious people, but at some point, you are going to have to have the courage to go against the moral majority. One of Virgo's strong points is standing up for the underdog, and being of service to those in need.

with love & support,

.gloria

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Motherkonfessor
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posted February 06, 2004 03:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know about that rebellion thing, tho.

I seem to rebel against EVERYTHING.....the Church, the government, employers, patriarchy
the "status quo".......

But maybe its because of the underdog theory. I always see myself defending someone else. I just keep blaming it on Vulcan.....heheheh.....or its my big mouth...

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pixelpixie
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posted May 31, 2004 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To the top.
Virgo, please read this again.

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purplezen
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posted May 31, 2004 09:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Virgo, I wrote to you in the "pics" topic you posted earlier.

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