posted March 03, 2004 12:56 PM              

Well lately I've been hearing people say that they've realized you cannot have a deep romantic relationship with someone unless there is a strong LOVE/HATE factor.

Is this true? Please include astrological examples, you believe are involved, even if you know of a strong relationship which did not involve a love/hate factor.

Thanks!

.gloria

posted March 03, 2004 06:30 PM              

Yes, we are all told there is a fine line between love and hate. What makes it move to hate? The inability of the person to love you the way you need to be loved, thus generating the hate? Is it because of one person's idealism of the partner, and if the partner falls OFF the pedestal of expectations, then you start to hate them?

Aspects....a certain Saturn placement can make a person always feel unloved and unwanted, expecting failure-and thus will run, or behave in such a manner that the partner hates them (insuing rejection=self fulfilling prophecy)

My personal experience- yes, I loved this man to the depths of my soul- it felt fated, Karmic, incredibly passionate and consuming, we were best friends, a pair to behold. People would tell me they could feel the chemistry between us. Very much a love/hate relationship, because of emotional traumas in each of our pasts that made relationships follow a map of expectation ("I have been rejected by everyone I have ever known- why will you be any different?")

I don't think you can pin this down to something as definitive as an astrological aspect or planet placement. Just because this person has such planet in this house and it conjuncts my whatever in a synastry chart doesn't mean its doomed, or fated or whatever.

"The stars incline, they do not compel."

Yes, this is repeated constantly in this forum. The danger is being so concentrated on a chart, instead of one's personal and emotional evolution. My chart has strong, strong aspects indicating I should be a lesbian (according to definitions I have read.) I am not. Should I then take this literally, and start pursuing women? No, thats not my nature.

Not to diminsh the fascinating self- discovery of studying the intricacies of one's chart, but sometimes delineating one's self based on the "logic" of aspects can be limiting.

Gloomy sag- I am so happy to hear about your relationship!! Thats wonderful!!!

posted March 03, 2004 07:46 PM            

The first Leo I ¡¥loved¡¦ more than life itself, ours was a love for the ages! blah, blah, blah.
He cheated (atypical, but he did) but I understood he had issues and ¡§I¡¨ loved him. Needless to say after about 6 years it turned to hate (Me a Libra with Scorpio in the 11th house-I was told about 2 years ago to be careful with my heart once I give a grab hold and even if it not good for me I take awhile to let go-This was the relationship that came to mind first, there are a lot of places where I just won¡¦t let go¡KI¡¦ve gotten better though ). I hated him so much but really it was because he wouldn¡¦t ¡¥do¡¦ what I wanted him to¡K(to be honest I still dislike him and hate would probably flare up if I had to deal with him anymore)

After him came the Cancer for about 5 years-it didn¡¦t work but he showed me what a ¡¥real¡¦ relationship was like. I was very distrustful and jealous when we started. I was back pretty much to my old self but not totally. Jealousy once it ugly head is reared seems very hard to get rid of) I wish the very best for the Cancer. He is a very good man and the woman he decides to give his whole heart to will be very lucky. He broke up with me. I was hurt but never hated him for it. Leo #1 I didn¡¦t love, I chose to try posses him and that is why I hated him-because he wouldn¡¦t let me. Thank goodness for both of us. It was a relationship that was meant to go down in flames. Only we have no ties. I could have married him and had kids with him and regretted my whole life that I did.

In the back ground of both these men is Leo # 2. We have been friends for along time.
He has seen me through both of these relationships and has kept me out of his. I never thought we would be here but I am so glad we are. (Background-Soul Unions/Looking for Morning Storm). I am so blessed with this relationship , He is not the relationship of my life (that happened when I was 16) but he is the relationship of a few lifetimes¡K

I think if you love someone they can hurt you but whether it turns to hate is another question. It is not necessary. It does not prove that one relationship has more passion than another¡K

Amber
Cypress
Volare

posted March 03, 2004 08:11 PM              

and I would like to comment, that after reading so many tales of "love/hate" relationships, I am beginning to believe the majority of them involve Leos!!!

Mine did too!

Interesting coincidences....or astrologically prone similiarites.....?

Goddess only knows.......

posted March 03, 2004 08:48 PM            

i will have to comment about leos also. i crossed paths with my soulmate - a leo! god i have never hated anyone that f-ing much, but he is the love of my lives. our love made me see god and any poem or song ever written couldnt compare - my greatest muse, but when it turned sour - it was SOUR! something so beautiful turned so ugly...disheartening at best.