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jason from oz
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posted March 12, 2004 10:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For years now I've been aware that my true sag self is repressed and my virgo moon taur asc seem to dominate (and probably also my sat can and pisc midh too).
Basicly even when I feel I'm progressing I'm back to my old judgemental,stereotyping,hypochondriac, stuck in a rut, impolite,dopey, gluttonous, all or nothing, naive,impulsive, reactive, detached, nervous manic talking self!!
I can feel my adventurous open minded sag spirit waiting to take over my personality but instead I'm still feeling stuck, lonely, bored and worried as I always pretty much have.
Incidently in many ways I am very sag ie independant unorthodox etc in my weekly routine, but on a personality point of
view..... I'm struggling
so any insights would be greatly appreciated!
Heres my birth details if that helps
15 dec 1973 6.32pm melbourne australia
thanks

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Rev. Alice
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posted March 12, 2004 10:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jason

You are projecting your Sagittarian qualities on others....probably because you were taught to regard them as unacceptable or "not you."

Your limits are defined as family and/or your childhood, and I think you have been strongly conditioned to avoid "running away." However, you are like a foreigner in your own family, and (spiritually) you do not belong in/to it. They almost strangle you.

Consider this: If your life (or your identity) are in danger, the ONLY sensible thing to do is run!

All of this suggests to me that someone is "pushing you out of your body" and that you really need to get away so that you can be yourself. You were never intended to be a "student." You are, and were born to be, a teacher (of some type).

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You are a blessing and you are blessed.
Rev. Alice
www.lifeprints-for-living.com

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astro junkie
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posted March 12, 2004 04:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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sthenri
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posted March 12, 2004 07:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jason have you looked at your transits?
at astro.com look at forecast report.

You may be ready to break free right now, I know a lot of Sags who are not all freedom and light, many are very serious. My sister is a Sag and she is a financial planner. I have never seen her as light hearted in anyway and she is very responsible. She has an Aries rising too, but Taurus on the 1st house.

If you like yourself the way you are that's great, but if you do not look to see where you are being wounded on a consistent basis. Virgo ascendant is oriented towards work. Is your daily workplace a fulfilling place for you? Are you happy there? Nurtured by others?

I will look at your chart sometime this week, Sunday or Monday, if you prefer I can email you a chart. What has happened lately? and if you were a True Sag, what do you think would happen?

Natasha

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sthenri
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posted March 12, 2004 07:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a little of what's going on now...

Saturn square Pluto: Shedding your skin

1 March 2004 until 16 April 2004: This can be a difficult time in your life. Because of circumstances and other people, you find it very difficult to make the changes you would like to make in the world around you. For example, your ambitions for your work may be frustrated. Bosses or coworkers may try to prevent you from accomplishing what you want. Financially, you will probably have to curb expenses because you simply do not have the resources. Sometimes the experience of this transit is much like struggling against chains that hold you down. The temptation is to resist and struggle with all your might.

However, resisting is not the best way to handle this energy, because that would set in motion destructive powers beyond your control. This influence is sometimes associated with violent incidents, so take care. The best way to handle it is with some degree of detachment. Understandably you will be quite upset with some of the obstacles that crop up now, but regard them as a way of finding out which areas of your life are working and which are not. This influence usually represents a call to eliminate the unnecessary and superfluous elements in your life. It requires that you get rid of the dead and useless structures. If you do it voluntarily, it will be easier.

When this period is over, you will emerge from the crisis considerably tougher than you were. Conserve your resources, and if you are in financial difficulty, reorganize your life so that you can get along with less.

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jason from oz
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posted March 17, 2004 09:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Big thanks to you guys for responding, it was much appreciated.
Rev Alice I think first time we meet so hello! and Senthri I feel we have connected in a way even though I dont post very often ,I have the feeling that you care for me in some way regardless that you barely know me, so thanks for that!
I've heard things along the lines of inhibited by childhood and authority figures before.
I think its a sat cancer thing?
jase

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Duality
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posted March 18, 2004 12:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Basicly even when I feel I'm progressing I'm back to my old judgemental,stereotyping,hypochondriac, stuck in a rut, impolite,dopey, gluttonous, all or nothing, naive
That's kind of Aussie isn't it? Kidding - Never met an Aussie I didn't like and it's very refreshing to meet someone that analyses themselves this way. You know what I read in your post, Jason??? FEAR!!! I recognize it in myself too and am aware of it. Fear of change no matter how crappy reality feels/is, objectively or subjectively. If I'm wrong, just ignore my smart ass remarks.

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sthenri
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posted March 18, 2004 07:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Jason that Saturn in Cancer makes me protective of you since I have the moon in Cancer/8th house.

I am looking at pictures of Jennifer Anniston and wondering why my hairstylist can't get my hair to look like hers, and rather than yell at him, I would rather do your chart.

It's good therapy for me

That's my state of mind right now, and it's moody as usual. I get stuck in ruts too, my hair always looks the same, rut, rut, rut. Superficial but important to me.

I also like doing the charts of composers, and painters.

Jules Pascin for example was an Aries with no earth at all and most planets were in Aries or pisces. Stormy life. Dusty Springfield, had mars in cap as a singleton, every other planet was in Aries or Pisces-no air.

I LOVE Australia and came close to marrying someone in Sydney but I couldn't take the climate. I have practically the palest skin on the planet. He did too, but i couldn't live there then, too many family issues going on here. I'd like to visit again.

More of your forecast:

Jupiter square Mercury: Big plans

2 April 2004 until 7 June 2004: This influence signifies increased mental activity and a desire to communicate to others something that you consider important. Whether or not your message is important, you probably think it is, so you should take the time to see if that is true. There is no point in loading people up with your ideas and opinions unless they are worth something. And when you speak to others at this time it is vital that you listen to their response. For although you have big ideas and plans, there is a tendency now to overlook details. You may be unwilling to listen to criticism, but if you listen and heed what you are told, this can be an excellent time for making decisions, planning, negotiating and concluding deals or agreements. But this will happen only if you listen to others' opinions.

This is usually a time of optimism and positive feelings. You have confidence in your ideas and are able to get them across. Communications of all kinds are important to you; for example, you may conceivably do some writing at this time.

It is also important not to overextend yourself. Make sure that your plans are no larger than your ability to cope with them. Sometimes with this influence the pace can get pretty hectic, because you have to handle many different affairs at once. This is when sloppy thinking can become especially dangerous.

During this period you may encounter resistance to your ideas and opinions from a number of sources. It is a good time to examine your ideas and see how well they really hold up in an argument. It is a good time to change any views that do not hold up because you can easily enlarge your viewpoint under this influence. You feel no need to be petty or quarrelsome, but you do feel compelled to defend the ideas that are important to you. Any truly important beliefs will hold up during this confrontation and become more a part of your basic mental pattern than ever.


Uranus square Neptune: Undesirable consequences

31 May 2004 until 21 June 2004: This period can be a severe test of your grip on reality. It can be very confusing and cause you to be misled in a variety of ways. You may suddenly find yourself in the grip of a total delusion that you believe to be the most real thing you have ever encountered. It is very important that you consider very carefully any new idea or philosophy before allowing it to take control of your life. One danger of this influence is that you may allow some idea to control you.

At best, ideas and philosophies are devices that help you understand and make sense of the confusion of everyday experience. But under this influence ideas may become a substitute for experience, so that you begin to believe in things that you have never experienced. You will be particularly attracted to ideas that help you avoid confrontations with the everyday world.

Sometimes this influence may cause you to turn to drugs, usually psychedelics or amphetamines, which provide mystical-seeming experiences, rather than alcohol, barbiturates or opiates. But this manifestation is likely only if you have a tendency in this direction anyway.

You may turn to the study of mystical disciplines in an effort to understand what is happening to you. In itself this is not bad, but you will have to be very careful that such studies do not totally alter your sense of proportion. It is best to expose yourself to these new ideas gradually, so that you can integrate new understandings with old and thereby prevent this energy from being disruptive.

If you live consistently and are willing to deal with the real world and handle its challenges, this influence can open up aspects of reality that you have never dreamed of. It can signify an enlightenment experience at some level. But if you try to avoid reality altogether, this influence may bring about the state of unconsciousness you desire, but with undesirable consequences.

Jason you have a lot going on in your seventh house, you could be a healer later in life, or work with people. Your Neptune is conjunct Mercury, watch out for those who lie to you, and lies to yourself.Neptune is in the 7th, possibly you are looking for the ideal man, and found one who is confused or not telling you the whole truth.

I know why you feel I am drawn to you because I have friends with this placement.


Natasha
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Cancer Moon

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sthenri
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posted March 18, 2004 07:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune in the Seventh House  7th hs

You tend to idealize your lover, which makes you an ideal partner in the classically romantic fashion. A strong and satisfying partnership is very important to you, and your standards of what is desirable in an affair are rather high.

The fact is, nobody's perfect. But you can find more reward in gently changing a lover to fit your desires than in making love an all-or-nothing proposal.

Your love relationships will always be a source of motivation for you, and as a result they will be more carefully wrought and attended to than most.

Neptune in Sagittarius   

You have grown up in an age group that has fairly uncomplicated, simplistic ideas about love and sexuality.

You should think quite carefully about your peers' idea of a good relationship and then decide whether that suits your personal style.

However, you may be very much in tune with the feeling or those around you in this respect. In that case you should find a partner of like views rather than someone who will slow you down with too many extraneous details or causes for self-doubt.

Mercury Conjunct Neptune   

You are likely to have a very rich fantasy life, and fulfillment of these fantasies can be the deepest and most rewarding experience for you.

However, you may have some trouble in finding ways to carry out your love fantasies in reality.

Probably the best way to get around this is to go over your fantasies in detail with your lover, perhaps even writing them down.

In this fashion you can effectively live your dreams without the disappointment of killing an unrealistic fantasy in trying to realise it. Learning to discuss these desires is very worthwhile, because it will help you actually relate as you wish.

Neptune Opposition Ascendant   

You may heap praise and adulation on your lover, which can be very flattering, but it can lead to great difficulties later if your lover fails to live up to your high expectations.

You may be the victim of a similar tendency, for you gravitate toward partners who are as idealistic as you are.

Getting down to brass tacks is an important part of any successful relationship, so that you can get to know each other for what you really are.

Moon Square Neptune   

You must be particularly careful to make your responses clear to your partner, for you may often be misinterpreted because of phrasing your thoughts inaccurately or not saying exactly what you mean. By making sure that you and your partner agree on what you mean, each of you will be saved much emotional entanglement.

In general, you should make an extra effort to be strictly honest in a relationship, because it may be very easy for you to get what you want through dissembling.

By making the extra effort to be honest, you will become very knowledgeable about the meanings of truth and honesty.

A well-educated partner with a sharp mind will be an asset to you in this respect.

Venus Sextile Neptune   

Although you are fairly idealistic about love, you do not expect your dreams to come true of their own accord. Although you romanticise sex, you do not place it upon a pedestal where it loses its physical earthiness.

The effect of this attitude is to help you remain psychologically independent of your partner. You can choose how you want to communicate without suffering sexual frustration or feeling that you must throw yourself into a relationship just because you are sharing a bed.

In the long run, you will want a soul mate as well as a bed mate, but they do not have to be the same person necessarily.

Jupiter Sextile Neptune   

You are drawn toward relationships that at their best moments transcend the physical, uniting the two of you on a seemingly spiritual plane.

Thus you let the affair flow and allow the level of communication -physical, spiritual or both - to establish itself, encouraged by a jovial spirit of companionship rather than by a compulsion to seek higher goals. The more you attend to the pleasantries of the moment with your partner, the more this quality of spirituality will grow between you, quite unattended.

You always seek and find true friendship in a love relationship, not necessarily a tremendously deep friendship, but one that is mellow and comfortable. If you have loved someone enough to have spent some time together, there will always be warmth between you, even if it is not active at the moment.

Saturn in the Second House    2nd hs

Wealth and material possessions are not important factors when you choose a partner. You are not looking for monetary reward in your personal relationships and may even feel that too many financial considerations taint the affair.

Such a philosophy, though fundamentally honest and pure in motivation, may lead you into some rather financially impoverished relationships.

Learning balance in this area is something that often comes with age, but it is prudent to recognise early that insufficient physical security can eventually destroy a relationship.

As long as you have food and warmth, your love is free of your physical surroundings and is based on intimate personal communication.

I have Saturn in Taurus, which is similar to 2nd house, it gets a lot better as you get older-career, love, everything. It's not a good placement for the start of your life, but you age slowly and are not as stuck in ruts as you might think. You may just be analyzing the outside world in comparison to yourself.

We live in a material world but it's not necessary for you, to care about that. Eventually material things will come to you easily without a lot of energy expended, so do not worry.

Saturn in the 2nd will retain youth, and a youthful attitude longer that say in the 8th.

Natasha

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sthenri
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posted March 18, 2004 07:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reason I gave you a chart based on romantic relationships is because you have Mercury in the 7th. Your romantic relationships will be ultra important, and you must choose partners carefully. Be sure to surround yourself with people who make you happy.

I have this placement myself in Gemini.

Natasha
Taurus

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