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Bliss
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posted March 16, 2004 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bliss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

I recently purchased the book Star Signs, and last night I was reading the Karma section. Linda's view on Karma to me was a bit shocking. e.g a person disabled in this life, means they committed some bad act in a previous life...
I found it very hard to take, as I think that nothing is one hundred percent, we can only be certain of this life we have now. I mean, bad things happen to good people all the time, is anyone really exempted from life's suffering. Sorry about the heavey topic, but I would love to hear some of your views.
Thanks
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theFajita3
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posted March 16, 2004 09:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's hard for me to grasp how any suffering is warranted also. However I can recognize that from pain we grow and get stronger, and maybe these are lessons necessary for the soul???? I'm not trying to say that being disabled should be a piece of cake because it's a lesson, I am just trying to say perhaps there is a method to this madness....

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posted March 16, 2004 09:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't read the book you're talking about, so I don't know the context that Linda made the statement in.

I believe that we decide our life condition before we are born, and it may reflect some really poor decsions that we made in past lifes, but it is not punishment as such, but a desire of our soul to grow in some area of life.

To me Karma is not punishment, it just represents areas where we need to work in our present life or possibily the next life.

Lanny

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lllog
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posted March 16, 2004 09:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, the descision our soul makes may have to do more with a loving gift for someone else than ourown growth. When a child dies or is inflicted with some terrible illness, it is often about providing other loved souls in this life a chance for growth.

Lanny

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Randall
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posted March 16, 2004 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What Lanny said. Karma isn't punishment; it's voluntary. What does that mean? Well, let's say that you did some things you were not proud of, you might choose to experience certain hardships in your next Life to help learn the Lessons you neglected in your last. It's much more complicated than that, but in short, we choose everything before birth and many of those choices (at least the ones related to our prospective Lessons) will be reflected in our charts by the Soul obtaining the necessary birth day and time (and yes "year," because time has no barriers to when the Soul wants to be born--whatever it takes to get the necessary birth chart).

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FishKitten
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posted March 16, 2004 01:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Lanny and Randall. Not that I think Linda was completely off base here, but a person may choose a difficult path (such as a physical handicap or other problems) in this life as a gift to others, not as a punishment for something they have done. Think about Stephen Hawkings for a minute. Not that long ago, a person in his condition would either be dead or confined to a bed and diaper with no communication with other people. He has shown us that a person with physical difficulties may be thinking outstanding thoughts and may be just as alive and aware as anyone else. Thanks Dr. Hawkings for choosing a hard path and showing us so many amazing things.

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juniperb
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posted March 16, 2004 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This topic showed up at just the right time!

I had an awakening this week end and it made it clear to me (i was going thru a what if moment ) that we do chose to correct or work thru past life experiences. Not as a punishment but to perfect.

My bro in law was found unresponsive and at first was thought suicide. When I heard, I instantly 'saw' him in a frontier past life shoot himself and it was over the very problems that has caused the current stress developed into anurisms (sp).So, he (along w/her)have basically created the same problems again to resolve & grow from. Very frightening because the pair look like they may be reliving the same issues and could walk the very same path to self destruction. I am very frightened by the process yet somehow k-now the vision is to help me as well. I was allowed to see this, but not to share the scene. I just have to trust in the higher powers.

If you read this, please send a prayer out to Deb and Sam

juniperb

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theFajita3
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posted March 16, 2004 02:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK Juniperb

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divinia
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posted March 16, 2004 02:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm very sorry to hear about Deb and Sam. I will pray for both of them and especially for Sam's recovery.

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posted March 16, 2004 02:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not punishment...

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FishKitten
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posted March 16, 2004 03:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love and Light to Deb and Sam...and to you Juniperb. Sometimes people do repeat situations until they get them right. I'm glad you are able to see and k-now what is happening. Perhaps you knew them in that other time and were adversly affected by their path. It looks like this time around, at least one of you has figured things out. Hang in there.

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juniperb
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posted March 16, 2004 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much for your thoughts and prayers.

Besides fearing for them, this has me seriously, as in closeting mys-elf off for 2 days to contemplate, accessing my life and the ramifications of free will. I ponder: have I made choices and failed or passed? What lies ahead in fullfilling my purpose...

It drove home this is not a game and scared the crap out of me. I wish, I just wish I could 'see' my chosen karma. Yup, I`m a chicken at failing the test.

juniperb

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pixelpixie
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posted March 16, 2004 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Juniperb, YOU could not fail at anything...
You could falter or waver a little, but never fail.
for the situation that has you so deeply contemplating.. which may be a gift in itself.....?

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juniperb
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posted March 16, 2004 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pixie, maybe, I am unsure. Thanks for the bump up tho, I needed it

Sorry for hijacking the thread,but this has been overwhelming.

juniperb

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Eleanore
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posted March 17, 2004 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Linda's views and I had no trouble accepting/understanding when I first came across them. I suppose it might sound harsh to some, and others may just flat out disagree. That's ok ... everyone's views are their own
Here are some of my thoughts on the issue, anyway:
We are essentially energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, but it can be transmuted. Our thoughts, actions, and words are also energy. Thus, when we act (or react) we are sending out energy in either a positive or negative way, to put it simply. Inevitably, what we send out into being will return to its source ... ourselves. Following on what Randall posted, between incarnations yourS-elf is pretty much responsible for providing for your next life the experience that you need to evolve. It's an entirely different level of awareness, and your energy "output" is viewed rather objectively. Growth is necessary for survival, as is adaptability. Anyhow, supposing you committed atrocious deeds in your past lives ... well, you are entitled the opportunity to atone those deeds in your future lives, and the issue will continue to present itself until you balance out that negative energy. The same thing applies to positive deeds ... you will be entitled to reap the good energy that you sowed in your past lives when you return. Every event or situation or experience is thus self-determined. I also believe that was the true law of "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" that was referred to in the Christian scriptures ... not an excuse for man to take vengeance or "justice" into his own hands. I think if you really stand back and look at the situation impersonally, you might see that this is a perfect way of helping spiritual evolution continue. There is so much suffering and pain in the world, it's true, but it is certainly more logical to think that there is a reason for it all ... not just coincidence, bad luck, or some unnamed "higher" being out there picking favorites for rewards and leaving everyone else to some undeserved misery! Clearly, if you have suffered great misfortune in your life, or seen loved ones suffer greatly, you may not be too keen to accept the fact that you or they set that suffering into motion in the first place. That is understandable. It is true, though, that everybody makes mistakes ... and just because you may have done something bad/negative in a past life (and are thus currently paying back your karma), it does NOT mean that you are essentially a bad/negative person. People are not evil ... though they may sometimes do evil things. It is the action (or word or thought) itself that is wrong ... and that is yet another reason to not pass judgement on people ... we have all, at some point or another and whether or not we remember it now, made mistakes and earned our very fair share of negative karma just as we have done good and earned our positive karma.

However, karma is also impersonal and it can be balanced out. That is one of the reasons why forgiveness is truly such a powerful force ... the ability to forgive others who have hurt you and the ability to forgive yourself for hurting others will do much to balance that negative karma. Of course, you must also atone for your deeds, and since Linda herself gave such a thorough explanation on that in Star Signs, I won't delve into those waters here.

Basically, our karma helps us grow into better people. Consider this, if you really TRULY understood the effects your actions, thoughts, and words would have on others AND yourself, would you be more inclined to do, think, and say good/positive things or bad/negative things? Asking, "why would you want to suffer?" is, in the end, the same as asking, "why would you want to cause anyone else suffering?". Once humanity in general learns this by mind and soul, then we will truly see a great change on our Earth. We won't really need man-made laws and man-made punishments to make sure that we "behave." We will simply not desire to hurt other people ... and hopefully animals and plants and even minerals, too, I hope! We will understand that by hurting others we only hurt ourselves and the source whence we came, call him/her/it what you will. Likewise with helping, loving, and caring ... when we do it for others, we do it for ourselves, and the "source" as well.


Well, as usual, that was much longer than I originally intended. Sorry if I tired your eyes out

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Eleanore
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posted March 17, 2004 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
juniperb, my prayers go out to you and them. Love & Light!

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trillian
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posted March 17, 2004 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Juniperb. My heart and prayers are with you and your family.

Ditto what pixel said. You are an incredible being, I find you very inspiring. Moments of doubt and confusion and fear will only bring you to a more profound place. I know this about you.

Please keep the channels of communication open, we are here for you.

"We're one, but we're not the same, we get to carry each other..." -Bono

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posted March 17, 2004 03:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, Juniperb. I find you very inspiring as well. You brighten so many of my days. Just remember...never walk in fear. There is no way for you to fail. You are here for the experience, the great "what if" in the universe. It isn't a test, its a field trip. Relax and take in the sights. I know you have a very soft heart and care for all creatures great and small, but they have their paths and you have yours. Wave and smile out the bus window as you go by and toss them half your lunch. We can only control what we do, not what others do. And in my personal opinion, you do grrreat!

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lalalinda
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posted March 17, 2004 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, I think what she meant was being born in this life time with say a handicap is overcoming karmic debts from the past, if you were born disfigured this time, then perhaps your karma is learning the true meaning of beauty. In a past life you could have been beautiful and vain perhaps you put to much superficial value on looks/beauty. So in this lifetime you learn that beauty is only skin deep (yeah I know an old cliche) and that true beauty comes from within. As far as it happening to a child, when a child dies, I believe its because he is an angel, sent/lent by god specifically to help teach an important life lesson. This belief (and I'm a seeker) has gotten me through some tough times. Know who you are and where you're going (north node) and do it as honorably as you can and you'll start canceling karmic debts. Don't mean to be "preachy" but isn't heaven our ultimate goal?
Exelently explained by Randall and Lanny

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