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lioneye68
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posted April 09, 2004 12:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or, for that matter, what house it's passing through...It just broke past the cusp of my 8th house and it's been such a bugger already.

1. Other peoples' money: The house that the ex and I built together in '99, which I willfully moved out of in Feb of 2003, has just sold for $53,000 more than what we built it for. "Yay!" right? Nope, I won't see a single penny. Unless I want to drag it through court, and give most of it to a lawyer...nah, no thanks.

2. Death and Taxes...the things nobody can escape: For the first time in my gainfully employed life (20 years), I actually have to PAY the government this year, rather than receiving a tax refund. Such a bummer!)

3. Sex: Have come to feel that I'm far too unrealitstic in my sexual expectations in a relationship, and it's causing me too much disappointment. Have decided to ease up on the subject with myself AND S/O. (but I'm suppose to be in my prime right now?? ..grrrrr.)

So, how about you? Take a look at how Saturn is buggering you up and get back to me...I want to be prepared for the next house/planet it messes with.

thanks!

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astro junkie
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posted April 09, 2004 12:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK - see about this :::

It's right in the middle of my 2nd House. What do you think? Gemini's in my 2nd, no planets. My Mercury is in Scorpio in the 6th.

Typical Libra question... what does this mean for my love life?

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lioneye68
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posted April 09, 2004 12:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gloria, you ninny...that's what I want YOU to tell ME...I'm asking you.

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astro junkie
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posted April 09, 2004 01:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*****rasberry*****

let me catch me breath!

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astro junkie
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posted April 09, 2004 02:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
***rasberry contination***

OK... you know how I've talked about taking off, getting out of Florida...

well, not I'm not feeling that way. I feel like I just need to stay put right now.

Maybe I feel this way because the 2nd House rules investments. My home is my only investment. Already screwed up an investment in one house, don't want to make the same mistake again.

Trying to come up with creative solutions. It's even in my readings. I like had a bunch of stuff planned, and then all the sudden, the whole scene changed. So, there's no plan and flying by the seat of my pants.

"... I'd give my life to see her... I'd give my life just to see her... I'd give my life to be her, I'd give my life just to be her..."

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lioneye68
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posted April 09, 2004 02:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
**Ppppfffftttt** back atcha!

So, is Saturn transiting your 2nd house? How has your self-esteem been lately? How about your possessions? Do things seem to be getting broken, stolen, or lost alot?
Have you stop getting the same joy out of getting something new for yourself? Is it accompanied with a guilty feeling?

Just tossing these out there....any of them ring true for you 2nd house Saturn transiters?

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astro junkie
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posted April 09, 2004 06:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know, I'm wondering if Saturn in the 2nd may have a weaker affect than in another house. I cannot really say with any clarity what it's been doing, unless it's tied with my wanting to be married and have that security in my life, financial as well.

As for possessions and shopping, I'm still the same. Not a lot of things breaking down or anything. That might be more a Moon transiting thing or maybe a Mars or Uranus going retro?

Since I have Jupiter & Saturn in Capricorn (in the 9th), that's why I wonder if Saturn over my 2nd makes things any wackier for me. But I'd just say, it may be going hand-in-hand with my desire to seek long-term security, thinking about how I want to live when I get into my 50's.

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Nackie
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posted April 11, 2004 06:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn's in my 9th House Cancer right now, I'm coming up to my return (*faint*). Actually, I posted a question at north node which NO ONE answered (grrr no one answers my questions there)...when does the return start and end? Does it start when tSaturn is directly conjunct nSaturn, or does it end then or what? Anyone know?

Saturn's in my 9th, the house of education and long distance travel. I REALLY feel like I need to get out of Germany, that I'm wasting my life here...well not wasting, but that I've been here 7 years (and since I'm 28, that's a FULL 7-year cycle!) and that I've learned everything important that there is here to learn. I'm fluent with the language, comfortable with the culture, can work and live independantly. Now I want to experience a new culture, new language, pull up roots and move on. I'd love to try something "exotic" for me...I think a few years in a former East Block country would be interesting (but please not Russia!) or maybe South Africa (big language change there! ).

OTOH, I'm in the middle of an apprenticeship here. I am dying to just get the dang thing finished. Being a gemini I would usually just quit and move on (quit university in 4th year--DUH!!!! *slapshead*), but I feel the responsibility and longing to see this through to the end, even if the end seems no where in sight. I think that's Saturn helping me out there. At least it's good for something!

Saturn is also squaring my nMars and nJupiter, which is a drag. I keep finding ways to torture myself (I've taken up jogging at 6am) but find it hard to carry through with the action. I have a natal Saturn-Mars/Jupiter square so this transit is activating and aggrevating that as well. Also big guilt trips for not doing what I've decided to do. I have a cold right now and didn't jog the past few days, and I have all those negative thoughts going on...thanks, Saturn.

Is this what you were asking, Lioneye?

Nackie

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Rev. Alice
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posted April 11, 2004 10:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is something from my website:


Saturn Returning is Graduation Time

By Rev. Alice Miller


Saturn is sometimes pictured as Father Time or linked to the god Chronos. This points out a primary function of the Saturn principle as a timing device. Saturn symbolizes the limiting factors on a cycle or definition. His natal sign describes what we perceive as limits on our ability to make progress, as Taurus-money or Sagittarius-beliefs. Saturn more accurately symbolizes internal rules and the obligations we accept as personal boundaries of behavior. Moving toward the end of an age, it becomes increasingly obvious that rules and boundaries are meant to protect us, rather than limit us. Always they must relate to our development. Some things and places are not safe for children, but upon reaching maturity they may become necessities of life.

Several years ago, as the 1980's became the 1990's, Saturn crossed Capricorn and humanity experienced a general Saturn Return. Crossing Capricorn, Saturn revised our definition of humankind. The essential meaning of Capricorn is, "the accepted limits of humanity, at any given time." That is why natives with prominent Capricorn placements so often experience depression. Until the next transit of Saturn across Capricorn, they are heavily restricted by their learned definition of the human species. These definitions are revised about every thirty years as Saturn recrosses its own sign, offering opportunities to Capricorn natives.

Within the general cycle, each of us experiences a personal Saturn cycle, with the planet returning to its original place at intervals of a little less than thirty years. These are often marked by some change in responsibility. But responsibilities and rights are directly linked to our maturity level. Perhaps we could all benefit from going through an initiation ritual or graduation celebration as we move from one level to the next. This could alleviate the soul searching and confusion which generally accompany Saturn Returns.

Natal Saturn initially describes the authority figures in our childhood. Many of these get internalized as moral or social rules. The maturation process is largely about taking increasing levels of responsibility for our own choices. The often unrealized gift of this is that with each change in responsibility come certain rights. Saturn Returns mark changes in status--first internally, then externally. We graduate from the past and graduation’s gift is the future.

Most of us expect to experience two or three Saturn Returns. Each time we confront a set of rules about how we should be, what we should do, etc. As we mature, real maturation requires us to make our own choices. With the average life expectancy rising rapidly, it seems appropriate to look at the probability of a fourth return as a norm within the next century.

The First Saturn Return

Most of us experience the crossing between our first and second maturation cycles during the year before our thirtieth birthday. Common events of this period are marriage, divorce, or the birth of a child. These clearly and obviously show a change of responsibility, but their meaning is symbolic.

During the first thirty years of our lives, our parents’ responsibility for our lives gradually decreases. Around age twenty-one, we may be officially emancipated, but as we move into our own careers and establish our own families, we are usually still following our parents’ rules, living within their definitions of what or how we should be. Some marry or have children from the subconscious intention to confine themselves to the duties assigned to them by their families, religion, and/or culture.This transition is often painful because we are in a major internal, and sometimes external, power struggle with the authorities of our childhood. Early marriages may fall apart at this time, because we married for reasons not our own. Doing so, we may feel restricted by our mate or our marriage.

Entering the new cycle, we usually exchange our family rules for society’s rules. During this period we struggle to fulfill society’s expectations. We try to do what everyone else is doing. All too often this phase becomes an endurance contest. We endure in an inappropriate relationship and/or hang onto a job that is difficult because the society we live in expects it. Saturn’s greatest hazard is inertia. We resist change, afraid to break the rules, or become our own authority.

Spiritually, the first Saturn return grants us the right to set our own rules, within the context of society. Our only real limits are the contracts that we make. The only non-revocable contract we can make is to our children. When we choose to have children--whether consciously or unconsciously--we are assuming a spiritual obligation to them. However, like any contract, this one has an end. Our financial obligation, and our right to set limits for them, ends with the emancipation of our children. Our obligation or right to advise them ends as they approach age thirty. Then, we must grant them equality in rank, accepting their right to define the parameters of their lives for themselves.

The Second Saturn Return

The second Saturn return usually occurs near the fifty-ninth birthday. Its significance is graduation from social demands. By this time most of us have completed responsibilities to our children and we have reached the pinnacle of our career. Whether or not we have met our own criterion for success, at this time we stop struggling to climb its ladder. This is the astrological retirement age, and some do manage to retire at that age. Those, who do not actually do so, cease the struggle for the top, realizing that it is time to turn down the hill, and let the next generation pass by. Some experience relief and feel free to go play or begin a second career, doing something that they have long wished to do. Others experience profound disappointment or depression at the thought of losing their conditioned role in society. Many of these resign from earth within a few years.

Metaphysically, the second Saturn Return grants us the right to set our own rules within the context of humanity. At this point, we step beyond the boundaries of society, and are generally free of our contractual obligations. Even if some of our contracts are not entirely fulfilled, we are free to make no new contracts. No longer are we required to think about the physical survival of humanity. Instead we turn our faces to issues of spirit and/or individuality. We assume the right and the responsibility to make our own moral and ethical choices. Here we truly experience our own authority, deferring to no other human. At this time the status of Wise One, Crone, Honored Grandparent, is granted. In modern terms, we become a consultant.

The Third Saturn Return

The third Saturn return usually occurs during the year before age 89. At this time we graduate from a world view to a galactic or evolutionary view. We resign our position as consultant and are free to allow our consciousness to roam across the boundary between this world and the next.
It is common for elderly people to begin napping frequently at this time, but many are simply slipping out of body to explore what lies beyond this world of experience. Some, who are unable to endure the strangeness of this, remain present, but slip into a second childhood. Both are ways of deferring the choice to leave earth. While the astral traveler is looking forward to a higher realm, the senile dementia victim is regressing to an earlier state. Those in the latter group lack the courage, or are unaware of their ability, to rise.

Meanwhile, the mentally flexible, allow their vision to expand to even greater awareness. While physical senses often deteriorate, the interior senses continue to expand. Losing sight, hearing, or mobility is simply a method of turning these functions inward. At such times, clairaudience, clairvoyance, and/or clairsentience develops or increases in power. More evolved and aware natives direct these abilities into high-quality writing or art, becoming channels of inspiration to the world.

Metaphysically, the third Saturn Return is a graduation from a world view to a galactic view. Their focus-point moves off-world to a place where they can mediate between the divine state and the human state. These are the real prophets of this world and role models for earlier Saturn generations. They are pushing the limits of usefulness as set by the general consciousness.

The Fourth Saturn Return

While this writer knows of no one who has achieved this graduation, she has several clients who are working toward it. Life expectancy is rising rapidly, so someone we know is certain to pioneer this level of achievement soon.

The fourth Saturn Return is predicted for the year before age 118. At this time, consciousness expands again and we will graduate to a cosmic view. One reason the achievement of this age has been delayed is that our belief systems have not included the possibility of achieving such a state while in a physical body. Only recently have those people leading the advance into the Aquarian Age become accustomed to the idea of channeling information from one time/space to another. The idea of living from a viewpoint beyond time and space is almost impossible to grasp. It is probably not going to happen with any frequency until we move entirely into the next age, because it is a prophecy of the state to be achieved in the age beyond that. While from our point of view it is a Neptunian State, the age we will next be looking toward is Capricorn. Combining those, we see that the role will be that of a Master Being and its function will be managership of the human course of destiny. Most of us are not ready for that yet.

Still, we who are presently crossing the end of the second Saturn cycle into the third, have made such a major transformation in our notions of human limits that we can sense possibilities that extend far into the future. Given the opportunity to talk with a few people who are crossing into the fourth cycle, we can push our thinking out to fuzzy horizons of future possibilities where fifth and sixth Saturn Returns may be experienced.

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You are a blessing and you are blessed.
Rev. Alice
www.lifeprints-for-living.com

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lioneye68
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posted April 14, 2004 08:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Nackie, that was exactly the kind of thing I was after.

Yeah, I'd definately say you were feeling the effects of Saturn passing over your 9th house. You're feeling oppressed by your own higher learning!

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astro junkie
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posted April 15, 2004 02:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BWAAAA HA HA!!!!

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stellar1
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posted April 15, 2004 10:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lioneye,

Another Sag Ascendant too? Yeah, I have Saturn hanging out in my 8th and can't seem tomake new sense of it. I'm a Virgo Sun, and for some reason I feel the Saturn *pinch* in my solar 11th House. Tightening up on friendships, aspirations, etc. I know the 8th also represents "others" so that could be connected somehow.

Otherwise, I'm trying to pay down my credit card debt and straighten out finances.

S

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Aen
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posted April 15, 2004 12:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Compared to tSaturn square nMoon&Asc&Pluto which was depressing, awful and, well, cleansing, the tSaturn opp nMercury has been quite nice actually. Clarity & discipline. Lots of thinking of what really counts and what I want in my life. What is left and what I'd like to keep.

Next up will be tSaturn square nUranus which I don't have any clues about. But Uranus being the ruler of 5th ....

Then it will be tSaturn opp. nSun. I hear so much horror stories about it being the lowest low, but I'm really not much scared by these stories. My Saturn return few years ago was actually very pleasant and liberating experience in many ways. Very freeing in all except for emotional self-sufficiency, which the transit to nMoon was about. Also any opp to nSun will be trine nMars & sextile nMoon/Asc/Pluto so there's opportunities for outlet.

Anyway, I'll be wiser when Saturn has moved to Leo.

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