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The White Witch
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posted April 20, 2004 12:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Guys,

I wonder if any of you could spare the time to look at my chart and explain to me why I'm going through this awful phase. I don't want to say too much at this stage, because I know there's lots of you out there that would prefer to delve into this and see what you come up with for yourselves.

All I'll say for now is that my life was going along pretty smoothly, I was happy and looking forward to the forthcoming New Year....Then BANG!!! A couple of days after Christmas Day, it could have been around the 27th December, a situation arises which has had a serious impact on my life ever since! It's now the 20th April and things are getting no easier. In fact I think it's getting steadilly worse. I feel like I'm in a deep hole and I can't see any way out of it at the moment. My life feels like it's been taken over and I can't see an end in sight.

Would one of you, some of you or all of you please look at my chart to see if you can pick up on what I've said so far and please let me know what you come up with. If there's anything you need to ask me then please feel free.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Love & Light to you all

The White Witch x.

Born 10th December 1969
in Fulham, England (UK) 0w13,51n28
Local Time 09:45am
U.T. 08:45
Sid. time 13:59:45

PANETARY POSITIONS
Sun Sagittarius 18 07'46 12
Moon Capricorn 01 30'31 01
Mercury Capricorn 01 14'29 01
Venus Sagittarius 07 14'03 11
Mars Aquarius 26 06'00 02
Jupiter Libra 28 55'38 09
Saturn Taurus 02 36'03 04
Uranus Libra 08 15'21 09
Neptune Scorpio 29 09'35 11
Pluto Virgo 27 16'46 08
True Node Pisces 16 14'03 02

HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)

Ascendant Sagittarius 27 14'35
2nd House Aquarius 12 18'52
3rd House Pisces 29 55'07
Imum Coeli Taurus 02 07'08
5th House Taurus 23 54'21
6th House Gemini 11 03'41
Descendant Gemini 27 14'35
8th House Leo 12 18'52
9th House Virgo 29 55'07
Medium Coeli Scorpio 02 07'08
11th House Scorpio 23 54'21
12th House Sagittarius 11 03'41

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Virgo-AriesArtist
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posted April 20, 2004 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo-AriesArtist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know I'm not a real well-versed astrologer, yet, but I did notice a very obvious transit you've been experiencing, and have been since December
Pluto conjunct Sun in the twelvth house....


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-K
"Most people love with restraint
As if they were someday to hate
We hated gently, carefully
As if we were someday to love"-Venus Trines at Midnight

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lioneye68
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posted April 20, 2004 01:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?nhor=6&nho2=4&btyp=24&mth=gw&hsy=&zod=&asp=1&sday=27&smon=12&syr=2003&rs=&orbp=&cid=t7lfileCOBpNs-u1073805577&lang=e&gm=a1&ast=

Maybe this will make is easier for K-nowflakes to check it out...this is a link to her natal + transits chart, for Dec 27th, 2004.

Hoping the link works...I'm just starting to learn about transits, so I'm don't feel at all qualified to offer you any advise, WW...but I do want to say that I hope you get some relief from your stressful situation soon.

I see several planets conjuncting your natal Saturn in the 4th...are you experiencing home/family/real estate issues?

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astro junkie
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posted April 20, 2004 06:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool exercise!

I looked at the Transits (thanks for that link Lioneye!!) and I noticed a few things. First I want to try and guess what the general problem you have is. Let's see if I'm learning anything.

The problem has to do with a relationship that had just ended in divorce with financial resolutions which turned out bad for you. The cause had mainly to do with poor communication.

OK - that's out of the way...

You have a bit of a T-Square with Libra/Aries opposing, and you have Cancer in the Empty Space, Capricorn as the Focal Point.

Uranus & Chiron make up the opposition in the T-Square respectively. So I would guess you try very hard to balance the details in your life because you know all too well what happens if you drop the ball.

Your Cancer Empty Space is in the 7th House of partnerships/open enemies. This magnifies any emotional starvation in your life. On Dec 27th, the Moon & Saturn were transiting this 7th House. Those two planets are of opposing forces, the Moon rules Cancer, Saturn rules Capricorn, FURTHER magnifying difficulty merging emotion in your life.

Your Moon & Merc make up that area of your Capricorn Focal Point in the 1st House, so your emotional well being IS important to you, but it is also important that others think you are emotionally secure. On Dec 27th, the Sun was transiting that area illuminating your true emotions and true intentions.

Also on Dec 27th, Mars was transiting your Natal Neptune in the 11th, perhaps making you seem dishonest or insincere. Venus in Sag had also just transited your Natal Venus in Sag in this same house.

Pluto had just transited over your Natal Sun in the 12th.

So to me, it follows a theme of your true intentions being illuminated, and a lost of investments.

Your lesson was to learn how to relax and be yourself. Accept yourself with foibles & all. Don't demand so much perfection from yourself and others. That's not the road to happiness.

.gloria

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it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness...

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lioneye68
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posted April 20, 2004 09:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
$h!t!!!! Sorry, guys. stoopid stoopid stoopid! (wacking self on head with sneaker) Dec 27, 2004 hasn't occured yet! The year is wrong. (but, whoa, Gloria...I'm impressed!)

OK, I'm fixing that date now.

Please look again, Gloria...and others who are feeling generous of heart.

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astro junkie
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posted April 21, 2004 12:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WACK!!!

OK....

I'll leave the original post up just for the sake of scholastics (?)... and I'll add another reply with the correct planetary positions in sight.

Good thing you noticed!!!

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astro junkie
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posted April 21, 2004 01:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ironically, many of the same dynamics remain.

Of course, the T-Square dynamics do not change at all, as they are a permanent part of your Natal chart. So refer back to the original post, with the exception of the following:

In reference to the 7th House, on Dec 27th, Saturn was the only planet transiting there. Still, although the Moon is not there anymore, your 7th is ruled by Cancer, which opposes Saturn's energy. Same effect in terms of your emotions. ALSO, on Dec 27th, Saturn in Cancer opposed your Natal Mercury & Moon in Capricorn in this position.

In reference to the 1st House, on Dec 27th, in addition to the aforementioned Sun transiting over your Natal Moon & Mercury, it is also joined by a transiting Mercury, Venus, Neptune & Chiron. So dynamics remain the same as before, except the "poor communication" dynamic may more intense now.

New stuff for your 2nd House - the Moon & Uranus was transiting your Natal Mars in the 2nd House, so I still think this is about money.

In reference to your 11th House, nothing was transiting here. Mars is now hovering over your Natal Chiron in the 3rd (communication again).

As for the 12th House, Pluto was RIGHT OVER your Sun, so those dynamics remain the same as well.

Overall, it doesn't change my original outlook very much. If anything, just intensified the communication problems which may have existed.

.gloria

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The White Witch
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posted April 23, 2004 07:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hiya Virgo-Aries...

Thanks for taking the time to have a look it's nice to know that you found something that related to my circumstances.

WW x.

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astro junkie
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posted April 23, 2004 07:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Soooooooo????? White Witch... how'd I do?

The Consumate Student

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The White Witch
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posted April 23, 2004 08:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lioneye

Thanks for your support, yes I am experiencing issues that do relate to home, family and in a way real estate issues....That's very good. Can you pick up on anything else??

WW x.

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pixelpixie
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posted April 23, 2004 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, gloria, I , for one, thought you were EXCELLENT!!!. Kudos.

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The White Witch
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posted April 23, 2004 11:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gloria,

Up to now you've done brilliantly! I am in the process of writing a full reply to you to tell you exactly how well you've done, to fill you in and to ask some questions. And to ask you to continue with me if you possibly can because you have definitely touched on something here.

Unfortunately though, time is getting on and I have to leave work now...so if you can just hang on till Monday, I'll send my proper response to you and hopefully if you're still willing we can continue??

I've got to say it again...WELL DONE!!

WW Tara x.

Speak to you Monday.

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astro junkie
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posted April 23, 2004 11:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok
see you monday!

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The White Witch
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posted April 26, 2004 12:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Gloria!

First of all, even though Lioneye accidentally gave you the transit link for '04 instead of '03 your interpretaion was pretty accurate - so in a way maybe it wasn't an accident after all, and maybe it was the universe's way of getting you say what you said...You said 'you felt that the problem was to do with a relationship that had just ended in divorce with financial resolutions which turned out bad for me'...well, although, this isn't something directly linked to me i.e. I havn't personally gone through a divorce, the situation in a way does surround me and has a connection I think, with my current situation and the circumstances that I am now faced with - Gloria, I don't mean to be vague but I'm trying not to feed you too much at this stage because you have definitely touched on something here. Obviously, when we've gone as far as we can go with this, I'll tell you everthing in greater detail. Hope that's ok with you? At the same time if there's anything you need to ask me outright in order to help you with your interpretations then please feel free but I'll only do that if you ask me to.

Right, back to your interpretation...
Yes it's true that I try hard to balance details in my life because yes, past experiences have shown me what happens when I drop the ball. At this point can I ask you a question? I'm very much a novice in astrology so I wondered if you could explain what area of my life Chiron affects? The reason I ask is because I understand that Chiron is something to do with past hurts and I have a feeling that it might also have a connection for me with this situation I'm in currently??

Where you mention that Cancer Empty Space is in the 7th house of parnerhips/open enemies, and say 'it's magnifying emotional starvation in my life......' Although, this was the wrong year I would still say this is corect and does link with now. I also feel that maybe this was a bit of a warning of what was yet to come and in what area I would be affected.

You are so right when you say that my emotional well being is important to me and even truer that it's important that others think I'm emotionally secure...I have always been someone that puts on a bit of an act in a way...to show great strength and endurance etc (I am pretty strong) but not as strong as people believe me to be. For some reason I can't allow it to be known that I'm actually a lot softer on the inside - I don't know, it just wouldn't do for me to show weakness. Anyway, further on you say 'on the 27/12/04 the Sun was transiting that area illuminating my true emotions and true intentions'. The way I interpret that is that for years my true feelings and emotions have been buried very deep (this connects with my childhood). I believed I had to show strength and toughness etc..My current circumstances have created a situation where my weaknesses, true emotions and true intentions are being forced to the surface for all to see. No longer am I being able to keep the real me (a bit of a softie with a heart and a conscience)under wraps.

Your last paragraph summed it up pretty well 'your lesson was to learn to relax and be yourself. Accept yourself with foibles and all. Don't demand so much perfection from yourself and others. That's not the road to happiness'. Do you think that maybe this is one of my life's lessons? Without giving you too much detail, the person who affected my life so many years ago (without realising it), made me be this way. This same person is now the one who is bringing all that I had buried to the surface. I expect none of what I've said makes much sense to you at the moment but everything you've said makes a hell of a lot of sense to me.

When I read through your 2nd interpretation but this time for '03 I see that not much differs only that the things are more intensified...They certainly are. Communication is definitely a problem in the situation, money is also a key issue too...

Gloria please carry on if you can, you've done extrememly well. I'm interested to see if you can delve a bit deeper..Perhaps there's indications, or clues for you in my natal chart too? And, maybe the next few months might give an indication also??

Again, I am sorry if I've been a bit vague. I look forward to telling you everything at some point because when I do you'll be able to see for yourself just how accurate you've been.

I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Love & Light To You

W.W. Tara x.

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astro junkie
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posted April 26, 2004 01:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey White Witch -

Try taking things here a little slower. This is not a cumulative list of things you need to change about yourself. You really need to work on reframing your perception, and that's not done by perusing a bunch of facts.

One thing you said about how this person has caused you to be the way you are now. That's impossible.

You were just as much a part of the interaction. For example, you know like when you read an astrological interpretation which describes how your parents were with you? Even what your parents' personalities were like? How can that be? How can an interpretation based on YOUR Natal chart accurately describe how other people in your life were?

Think about that.

Also, there's a good book to look into which is an easy read and contains exercises useful in reframing. "Self Esteem: A Proven Program of Cognitive Techniques for Assessing, Improving, and Maintaining Your Self-Esteem" 3rd Edition - by McKay & Fanning.

They've written other books, so don't get confused. It's ISBN: 1572241985.

Here's some info on your Chiron as you requested::


"The sense of self has been violated in some way, manifesting in feelings of worthlessness, and/or that nothing is ever quite good enough. The lessons of Chiron here are in learning to assert yourself and to take appropriate action or initiative to remedy the situation - appreciate yourself and others for who they are. Easier said than done, as you can tend to be self sabotaging in your thought patterns. Remember your thoughts are powerful - you reap what you put out.

Make a list of areas in your life in which you do feel worthy. Identify your true value and how that value serves you and others. Don't stop listing until your heart opens to loving yourself. Also list the ways in which other's "bad" treatment of you has helped you to learn how to assert yourself and to value yourself more. Again, keep listing until your heart opens to them, and to yourself, for experiencing the lesson.
Chiron's gift is the acknowledgement of your true worth, loved for who you are inside. The Universe loves you just for being who you are. Strive to live truly."


"This placement of Chiron often signposts a deep wound of feeling somehow less intelligent, and feelings of being unable to communicate clearly or effectively with others may dominate your thoughts at times. You may have suffered communication problems as a child, making memories of your early schooling painful. You seem to strive to 'know' with ceaseless fervour. Something inside you is wishing to be heard and understood by others. With Chiron here, the mind can function quite naturally in an intuitive or associative manner - the childhood communication and learning 'problems' are often a mismatch of teaching methods to the student's needs.

Sit down and make a list of the areas in which you have great or deep knowledge. Do not accept 'I don't know' for an answer. Keep searching within, to find where your knowledge lies. Also, list those people from whom you learn. How does your knowledge in any given area serve others?

The Gift of Chiron in this placement is the deep pursuit of knowledge and the ability to impart that wisdom to others. The acknowledgement of your own 'Knowing' lies in your heart, beyond words. Deeds communicate more."

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