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Randall Webmaster Posts: 4783 From: The Goober Galaxy Registered: Apr 2009	posted April 26, 2004 04:09 PM Although I like maintaining a free exchange of ideas at Lindaland, the current fires here and there on the site preclude such a policy, and the next person to insult, berate, or otherwise cause intentional conflict will have to be dismissed. Banning isn't my cup of tea, and I will no doubt be called a tyrant for doing so, but I will do what needs to be done to protect the site. Think twice about what you write, and if you can't say something nice, refrain from saying anything at all. Thanks. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged
Carlo unregistered	posted April 26, 2004 04:10 PM Agreed. IP: Logged
pixelpixie Newflake Posts: 8 From: ON Canada Registered: Apr 2009	posted April 26, 2004 04:11 PM Now THAT is a catchy title!! IP: Logged
juniperb Moderator Posts: 856 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009	posted April 26, 2004 04:15 PM Works for me ------------------ If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged
gloomy sag unregistered	posted April 26, 2004 04:20 PM Yes, sir! BTW when you say "tyrant" and if you pronounce it with the "t" at the end it means suspenders in Bulgarian NOT that I'm not taking you seriously, Randall! IP: Logged
lioneye68 unregistered	posted April 26, 2004 04:20 PM Can we lock this into the top spot somehow? IP: Logged
Carlo unregistered	posted April 26, 2004 04:23 PM Seems to me that suspenders would have the right to suspend someone's privilege to post here, so either way it seems to be clear IP: Logged
gloomy sag unregistered	posted April 26, 2004 04:33 PM See, Carlo, it's only funny in Bulgarian IP: Logged
juniperb Moderator Posts: 856 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009	posted April 26, 2004 04:39 PM gloomy, what`s Bulgarian for ------------------ If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged
skywych unregistered	posted April 26, 2004 05:41 PM Sounds fair and just to me. IP: Logged
Eleanore Moderator Posts: 112 From: Okinawa, Japan Registered: Apr 2009	posted April 26, 2004 05:47 PM Randall I would really like to know if by quote: to insult, berate, or otherwise cause intentional conflict you are referring to personal attacks on a person. The first two clearly express that notion to me, but it's the intentional conflict that has me concerned. I don't mean I want to encourage conflict between people, but does conflict between ideas/views/opinions on issues also count as inappropriate now? I was going to assume it didn't, but I just wanted to ask to make sure. Basically, are we still allowed to debate and perhaps argue points and ideas/views/opinions on issues as long as the discussion does not include personal attacks on anyone? If so, can we have some definite guidelines in order to know what to avoid. I know that sounds like a silly question to ask in the first place, along with an almost impossible request right after, but I really think it would be effective if we had something to follow in regards to the level of respect that is expected. Lots of people are offended by things that don't bother me one bit, and I'm sure I'm offended by things that wouldn't bother anyone else sometimes as well, which is why I feel a little concerned over this. I don't want to see anyone banned over a misunderstanding. This is a difficult transition to have to make, but I think we can all make this place what it was intended to be according to the Home Page of this website. ------------------ "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi IP: Logged
Harpyr Newflake Posts: 0 From: Alaska Registered: Jun 2010	posted April 26, 2004 06:17 PM Here's some useful guidelines to stick to in the spirit of keeping things civilized- Common fallacies of logic and rhetoric Ad hominem - attacking the arguer and not the argument. Argument from "authority". Argument from adverse consequences (putting pressure on the decision maker by pointing out dire consequences of an "unfavourable" decision). Appeal to ignorance (absence of evidence is not evidence of absence). Special pleading (typically referring to god's will). Begging the question (assuming an answer in the way the question is phrased). Observational selection (counting the hits and forgetting the misses). Statistics of small numbers (such as drawing conclusions from inadequate sample sizes). Misunderstanding the nature of statistics (President Eisenhower expressing astonishment and alarm on discovering that fully half of all Americans have below average intelligence!) Inconsistency (e.g. military expenditures based on worst case scenarios but scientific projections on environmental dangers thriftily ignored because they are not "proved"). This is my favorite example Non sequitur - "it does not follow" - the logic falls down. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc - "it happened after so it was caused by" - confusion of cause and effect. Meaningless question ("what happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object?). Excluded middle - considering only the two extremes in a range of possibilities (making the "other side" look worse than it really is). Short-term v. long-term - a subset of excluded middle ("why pursue fundamental science when we have so huge a budget deficit?"). Slippery slope - a subset of excluded middle - unwarranted extrapolation of the effects (give an inch and they will take a mile). Confusion of correlation and causation. Straw man - caricaturing (or stereotyping) a position to make it easier to attack.. Suppressed evidence or half-truths. Weasel words - for example, use of euphemisms for war such as "police action" to get around limitations on Presidential powers. "An important art of politicians is to find new names for institutions which under old names have become odious to the public" IP: Logged
lioneye68 unregistered	posted April 26, 2004 06:18 PM Whoa. I think we'd ALL be thrown out by week's end at that rate. It's should be simple. If you don't agree with someone, you can say so BUT... NOT like this... "You're a stupid/conceited/useless (whatever) so and so because you're a Leo/Jew/Man/Woman/Newfie (whatever), and while we're at it, suck my such and such because that's all you're good for"... More like.... "Sorry, but I'm not buying that. This is the way I see it, and this is why."..etc. I don't think any single member of this site has to modify themselves in any way, shape or form, bar the one. IP: Logged
Aphrodite unregistered	posted April 26, 2004 06:24 PM Mmmhkay, Thanks Randall. IP: Logged
Eleanore Moderator Posts: 112 From: Okinawa, Japan Registered: Apr 2009	posted April 26, 2004 06:25 PM Whew, ok, and thanks! Thanks for that excellent list, Harpyr! Also, lioneye, thanks for your examples. Randall? Don't mean to push, but are these good guidelines for you and this website as well? Your take on this matters mucho since, in the end, it will be your decision whether or not to ban on these sorts of things. ------------------ "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi IP: Logged
astro junkie unregistered	posted April 26, 2004 06:40 PM Harpyr - love ya babe - but I stopped at the very first one on that list - no way... Look at Eleanor go! ------------------ it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness... IP: Logged
gloomy sag unregistered	posted April 26, 2004 07:10 PM Juni, I can't post the word for in Bulgarian. if you want to check it out, go to the following site and type love. http://sa.dir.bg/ IP: Logged
juniperb Moderator Posts: 856 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009	posted April 26, 2004 07:35 PM Thanks gloomy, Love ��, �� (of, for, to, towards) all of LL. ------------------ If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged
gloomy sag unregistered	posted April 26, 2004 07:40 PM See, you can't post it. This site is not Cyrillic friendly IP: Logged
silverbells unregistered	posted April 26, 2004 08:02 PM I don't know about that list it makes me nervous; too many guidlines. But it certainly is thorough . Ditto to Eleanore's first post on this thread. What about saying something that one did not realize would be inflammatory? Now there is a slippery slope, why can't you just tell people to stop doing it on a case by case basis and then a discussion could be had. Because I have to say, the behaviour that has caused this uproar has been happening long, long, long enough for the behaviour to be checked by the "authorities", which it hasn't. And now because of one person's severe disregard for other people's feeling even after it has been called to attention time and again by their fellows, everyone has to walk on eggshells and worry if what they are saying will be taken the wrong way and they will be exiled. What if someone is just having a bratty day and that is when they need love the most. A bratty day is one thing, but constant attempts at a bloodbath is another. I really do think that we can all handle the difference. This whole thing is making me nervous. IP: Logged
astro junkie unregistered	posted April 26, 2004 08:35 PM yup IP: Logged
lioneye68 unregistered	posted April 26, 2004 08:45 PM Why are you all sweating it so much? You all conduct yourselves in perfectly natural, real, and sincere fashions. Please don't stop, and don't worry about being the big bad offender. Just don't follow the bad example, which you wouldn't dream of doing anyway, right? So don't worry about it. IP: Logged
astro junkie unregistered	posted April 26, 2004 08:47 PM That's HILARIOUS!! YOU'RE the one who's, in your words, "... perfecting natural, real, and sincere fashions ... " I'm on a totally different forum lady. IP: Logged
lioneye68 unregistered	posted April 26, 2004 09:13 PM Oh...oops. typo. all fixed now. Yes, I see the irony. IP: Logged
Harpyr Newflake Posts: 0 From: Alaska Registered: Jun 2010	posted April 26, 2004 10:48 PM sorry.. didn't mean to make anybody nervous with the list. I realize it's abit intellectually extreme (got the reference from physicsforums!) .. obviously some of it's rather irrelevant to the issues at hand here. Rather it occurred to me that it might be useful in reference to Eleanor's prior question regarding conflict in the discussion of issues. i certainly wasn't suggesting that they be adopted as strict Lindaland policy! ------------------ He not busy being born is busy dying :::Bob Dylan IP: Logged

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