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LeylaLeFay
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posted May 06, 2004 05:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His saturn in the sixth house in leo squares my venus in the sixth house in saggitarious.

Taking a stab in the dark I am guessing this might have something to do with him not wanting me to work/travel?

Not that he's come out and said that-yet- I'm only postulating.

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lioneye68
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posted May 06, 2004 01:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey, LLLF. How wide is the orb on this square? His Saturn would have to be in late Leo, or your Venus would have to be in early Saggie, as this is a trine by element, but a square by degrees. If the orb is wider than 3 degrees or so, it's not really a square. It might feel more like a semi-sextile, though, which is mildly supportive, but somewhat aggrevating as well. Certainly not as potent as a true square, that's for sure.

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LeylaLeFay
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posted May 06, 2004 04:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, my venus is at 28 degrees and his is at 24.

I've also noticed we have some oppositions. I've heard different things on that- my teacher said to think of oppositions as a see-saw: it's hard to balance and will go back and forth. But I've read others who say an opposition means your doomed and to avoid the relationship "at all costs."

On a positive note, our venus' trine.

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lioneye68
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posted May 06, 2004 04:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, well if your Venus is at 28 Sag and his Saturn is at 24 Leo, you've got a bonifide trine there. This is a very good thing to have in your synastry. Saturn is like the glue that holds relationships together, and Venus is all about relationships.

Oppositions aren't as bad as squares. They just prevent anything from becoming all one way, or the other. There's a constant need to re-evaluate, adjust, lunge forward, pull back....it's only a tug of war if both sides want it all their way all the time. Most people are more reasonable than that.

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LeylaLeFay
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posted May 07, 2004 09:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
????

Then why does the computer program I ran our charts though say it's a square?

Somebody needs to tell me where I can find a list of the mathmatical degrees to know the differance.

(trines/squares/sextiles/oppositions)?

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lioneye68
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posted May 07, 2004 11:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here ya go! (from bobmarksastrologer.com )

Aspects are angles between two planets or between a planet and any points on your horoscope wheel. When planets form certain angles with each other, they interact, they work together.

The Aspects

1 Conjunction

2 Trine

3 Opposition

4 Square

5 Sextile

The 120 degree aspect, called a Trine, and the 60 degree aspect, called the Sextile, are said to be harmonious, smooth, bringers of benefits, to be benefic.

The 90 degree aspect, called the Square, and the 180 degree aspect, called the Opposition, are claimed to have stressful effects and be malefic.

The zero degree aspect, called the Conjunction, varies in its effect with the nature of the planets involved.

Toscanini had six square aspects in his horoscope. It didn’t seem to hurt him, did it? Those stressful aspects, especially the square, can generate power, and the frustration that they can cause also brings a desire to change things.

The "good" aspects can make things easier, but they also bring the desire to take the easy way out. I read an article once written by an astrologer who claimed that she found two horoscopes that had mostly trines and no squares. They were the charts of convicts. In school, they found it easier to cheat than to study. Afterwards, they found it easier to steal than to work. Once again, it’s what you do with what you’ve got. The problem with the stressful aspects is that we tend to accept one of the planets and reject the other. That never works out, as we shall see in the lists below.

In addition to the 5 major aspects, there are 10 Planetary Aspects.

General enegies of each planet....

1. Pluto - Planet of extremes, the all or nothing at all.
2. Neptune - Planet of dreams, imagination, illusion and delusion.
3. Uranus - Makes other planets function crazily.
4. Saturn - Order, organization, ambition, caution, discipline & hard work.
5. Jupiter - The planet of luck and expansion.
6. Mars - The planet of action, energy & aggression.
7. Venus - The planet of pleasure, it makes things easier or lazier.
8. Mercury - The planet of communication, writing or speaking.
9. The Moon - This planet rules your emotions, desires and intuitions.
10. The Sun - The sun has to shine. Attention, creative, but not routine.

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If you found this a bit confusing, here's a more simple way of looking at it....Signs of the same element are the trines, signs of complimentary elements are the sextiles, signs of the same mode (fixed, cardinal, mutable) are the squares, and signs of the same mode and complimentary elements are in opposition. (eg, Taurus to Scorpio)

BUT aspects can be formed "out of quality", that is, by degrees only. For instance, if someone's Saturn is at 0.32 Pisces and their spouse's Venus is at 28.48 Leo - this is still within orb of an opposition, although not by sign. A perfect opposition (oxymoron anyone?) would be between Leo and Aquarius, or Pisces and Virgo.

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LeylaLeFay
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posted May 08, 2004 10:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanx for the list, but I still can't figure out how to work the math.

If my venus is at 28 degrees and his is at 24, how do you know if that's a 120, 60, 180 or 90 degree aspect?

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